The "Impossible" Gospel

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WomanLovesTX

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This is what Hebrew 8:13 is speaking of.

Isaiah 51:6
Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my salvation shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished.

Hebrews 8:13
In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
 
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WomanLovesTX said:
This is what Hebrew 8:13 is speaking of.

Isaiah 51:6
Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my salvation shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished.

Hebrews 8:13
In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
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Isa sounds like the new heavens and new earth.

When Hebrews was written the Temple and the Levitical system was a couple of years away from going up in flames by the Romans, hence ''ready to vanish away'' to be replaced by the New Covenant.
 
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For one who states "I do know that there is a covenant that is new in Christ." (post 588) doesn't bode well with your view of the rapture.
Let me again remind you...

Hebrews 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

Hebrews 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
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Rapture=new covenant?????????????? this is the post you are referring to
I see that you think that the physical temple has nothing to do with Hebrews chapter 8. If the first covenant is old (not taking this into account that it's talking about the temple made with man's hands) so are the instructions of how to love God and your neighbor as yourself.

I will list 3 times in Hebrews that the word "covenant" is an added word that was not in the original text. The read all of Hebrews chapter 8 without reading these added words and you will see that the whole concept is describing the physical temple that has vanished.

Hebrews 8:1-5 is describing a physical priesthood and a physical temple.
Hebrews 8:6 Jesus is now the High Priest of a temple made without hands as it is written "We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands."

Now in this chapter verses 7 and 13 have the added word "covenant" and I will exclude the word for a more clear meaning as we think and understand what the writer is referring to.

Hebrews 8:7 For if that first had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

Hebrews 8:13 In that he saith , A new he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Hebrews 9:1 also has the added word "covenant" as we read for clarity, "Then verily the first had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary."

Summary of this scripture is found in Hebrews 9:11-12 "But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us."
 
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For one who states "I do know that there is a covenant that is new in Christ." (post 588) doesn't bode well with your view of the rapture. Let me again remind you...Hebrews 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.Hebrews 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
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This is the new tranferring the tables of stone on the heart

[h=1]Hebrews 8:10King James Version (KJV)[/h]10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
 
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The ark of the covenant was in the temple
We are the temple thus the ark of the covenant is within us spiritually
 
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ELECT said:
The ark of the covenant was in the temple
We are the temple thus the ark of the covenant is within us spiritually
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During the time Jesus was on earth, the 2nd temple never had the ark of the covenant.
 
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Rapture=new covenant?????????????? this is the post you are referring to
I see that you think that the physical temple has nothing to do with Hebrews chapter 8. If the first covenant is old (not taking this into account that it's talking about the temple made with man's hands) so are the instructions of how to love God and your neighbor as yourself.

I will list 3 times in Hebrews that the word "covenant" is an added word that was not in the original text. The read all of Hebrews chapter 8 without reading these added words and you will see that the whole concept is describing the physical temple that has vanished.

Hebrews 8:1-5 is describing a physical priesthood and a physical temple.
Hebrews 8:6 Jesus is now the High Priest of a temple made without hands as it is written "We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands."

Now in this chapter verses 7 and 13 have the added word "covenant" and I will exclude the word for a more clear meaning as we think and understand what the writer is referring to.

Hebrews 8:7 For if that first had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

Hebrews 8:13 In that he saith , A new he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Hebrews 9:1 also has the added word "covenant" as we read for clarity, "Then verily the first had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary."

Summary of this scripture is found in Hebrews 9:11-12 "But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us."
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I'm sorry, forgive me, for some strange reason I kept reading your original post (588) as saying, "I do NOT know that there is a covenant that is new in Christ''
...quite embarrassing. That's why I posted the two verses from Hebrews.
 
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When you read the epistles that refer to the law of Moses when by content you can see (if you believe in God) that it was speaking of rituals. No one who takes Christ and the Lord seriously would say that every time the epistles speak of the law of Moses
they are speaking of the Holy Law instead of
the letter of the law. Paul did not take into consideration our generation who sees God as a mean, threatening God so they could look down on holy law.
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The holy law is the law of Moses.

There is no "letter of the law" in Scripture.

There is only "the letter" and "the law," which are the same thing--the law of Moses.
 
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The very next verse must be taken into consideration in order to understand what "decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away."

Hebrews 9:1 Then verily the *first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.
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Oh, for cryin' out loud!

CONTEXT! CONTEXT! CONTEXT!

The context of Heb 8:9-12 is the new covenant promised in Jer 31:31-34.
"I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel." (Heb 8:8). Then comes

Heb 8:13 - "In saying new, he has made the first old.
And the thing having been made old and growing aged, near disappearing."

There is no excuse for this kind of deliberate obfuscation of the context.
 
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WomanLovesTX said:
This is what Hebrew 8:13 is speaking of.

Isaiah 51:6
Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my salvation shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished.

Hebrews 8:13
In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
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Nope. . .see previous post, #611.
 
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WomanLovesTX said:
For me, the whole Bible is truth and relevant to us today, as either ingrafted Israelites or adopted into God's family of Israel
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Nope. . .no adopting into Israel.

God's people are in Christ, or they are not God's people.

They are adopted into God's family in Christ, God the Son.
 
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they are part of the church the natural olive tree and the wild olive tree
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The church is the one olive tree of God's people, composed of believing Jews and believing Gentiles.

God's people are not two trees.
 
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Yes. Circumcision of the heart is commanded twice in the Sinaitic Covenant but not circumcision of the flesh.
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Leviticus 12:1-3 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised.
 
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Psalm 19:7-11King James Version (KJV)

7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.
8 The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes.
9 The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.
10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.
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The law of the Lord is the law of Christ (1Co 9:21) in Mt 22:37-39.
 
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Are you saying persons are not to be baptised anymore ?

Matthew 3:14-17King James Version (KJV)

14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
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They are not to be baptized with the baptism of John, which is the baptism with which Jesus was baptized.
 
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1 Corinthians 7:19King James Version (KJV)

19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
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Which is done in keeping Christ's new covenant law of love (Mt 22:38-40).
 
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