In context: Romans 4:4-5
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Again the difference is NOT in the meaning of justification but in HOW one is justified, justified by works of merit? No. Justtifed by obedient works? Yes.
Rom 6:16-18 Paul said you serve either sin unto death of OBEDIENCE UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS. I serve "obedience unto righteousness". Which do you serve?
And in verses 17-18 the order of events are:
1) servants of sin
2) obey from the heart
3) then being freed from sin/justified.
Servants of sin >> then obeyed >> then servants of righteousness.
The idea of being justified "before men" means nothing for it is God that justifies and not men. In the context of James 2, James uses Abraham as an example and Abraham went out to the wilderness to offer Isaac, AWAY FROM men's eyes. Abrahams' act of obedience in offering Issac did not have to be "before men" for him to be justified but before God, with God saying "Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me." Gen 22:12
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Rom 8:1 condemns your interpretation. It is a conditional statement. Your view is that on initia faith, a person is justified, declared NOT GUILTY, FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE. there is not text in all of scripture that makes that statement or implies that statement. The text states that IF one walks in the Spirit, then one will not be condemned. A long ways form your interpretation. More initial believers fail to get to the end, continue to walk in the Spirit than do.
Scripture is not man made, it just that man thinks he can actually do a better job than the Holy Spirit, yet no man has yet changed the Gospel from its original meaning.
Scripture is not man made, it just that man thinks he can actually do a better job than the Holy Spirit, yet no man has yet changed the Gospel from its original meaning.
Which clearly states that we are the ones doing the doing. It is that we cannot do it alone which is the impetus of our salvation. God cannot save us alone, we cannot save ourselves alone. ONLY the union, a covenantal union between
God and man saves. We, not God, wlll be accountable for what we do. We have a lot to offer Him, our hearts and our lives, unconditionally.
God and man saves. We, not God, wlll be accountable for what we do. We have a lot to offer Him, our hearts and our lives, unconditionally.
C
Yep, this is the clear teaching of the New Testament.
Rom. 8:37 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. 38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
If you are in Christ, He will change you and cause you to persevere and He has covered your sins with his blood. You can't out sin Christ's sacrifice.
Rom. 5:20 Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more,
That's extremely good news. Paul goes on to warn that the true believe will never take advantage of this.
Rom. 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?
The true believe dies to the continual practice of sin. But make no mistake, you will stumble. The good news is, it's covered. It's no longer a sin questions, but a Son question. Just make sure you're not deceiving yourself. If you practice sin, it may be you never had faith in the first place.
Rom. 8:37 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. 38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
If you are in Christ, He will change you and cause you to persevere and He has covered your sins with his blood. You can't out sin Christ's sacrifice.
Rom. 5:20 Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more,
That's extremely good news. Paul goes on to warn that the true believe will never take advantage of this.
Rom. 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?
The true believe dies to the continual practice of sin. But make no mistake, you will stumble. The good news is, it's covered. It's no longer a sin questions, but a Son question. Just make sure you're not deceiving yourself. If you practice sin, it may be you never had faith in the first place.
C
But you're talking works here, not salvation. We can do nothing without Christ and the Spirit after being saved. All our good works are to the credit of God.
But God did not have to save us. He chose to reckon our faith as righteous, but this was His gift. We did not have any role in God making that decision. This was a choice He made alone. He could have let all believers perish with unbelievers and we are all ungodly, but He chose not to. He chose to accept faith as righteousness. We had no say in that matter.
But God did not have to save us. He chose to reckon our faith as righteous, but this was His gift. We did not have any role in God making that decision. This was a choice He made alone. He could have let all believers perish with unbelievers and we are all ungodly, but He chose not to. He chose to accept faith as righteousness. We had no say in that matter.
That is the unmistakeable teaching of Calvinism. Our personal salvation is life lived faithfully in Christ. It has nothing to do with being declared not guilty. The forgiveness of sin's only purpose was to enable a sinful creature to be in union with God in this life. A believer continues to sin and unless those sins are confessed, they are retained and can condemn a man.
The problem of Christ's atonement with your view is that He atoned the sin of the world. You are espousing the false notion of OSAS.
Your view of man and a believer has no relations to scripture, but to false presuppositions. As long as sin exist, as long as we live in these mortal bodies and Satan is seeking to devour believers, a believer can fall back into sin. Being a believer is not a guarantee against sin.
I need to be careful here because most Protestants don't use these terms as scripture does. Salvation wrought be Christ is eternal, permanent and man cannot contribute a thing to Christ's work. It is why we needed Christ.
However, the purpose of Christ's salvation of the world from death, sin and Satan was to make possible the union of man and God in order that man could freely attain eternal life. This attaining eternal life is a person's individual salvation and it is all about work, working through faith.
In neither case did He need to save us. However the Gift of love, grace and mercy to man also enabled Christ again to have dominion over this world by defeating Satan. He could have permitted His creation as well as man to be continually dissolved by death but they He would not have been Sovereign over His own creation.
but righteousness is not salvation. This does not save a man. It simply puts a person into a correct relationship with Christ in order that he might attain eternal life.
You are correct in that God created this world and man in it. But He also set up how man would operate in this world. We either do His will or our own will, but the choice is all ours and every single human being.
What you fail to understand is that Christ redeemed all sinners, mankind, no one was left out. Rom 5:6-10. Col 1:20. This gift makes it possible for all men to be able to believe and have a relationship with his Creator. Thus you did have say in that you chose to believe. God did not compel you to believe, He cannot compel you to remain faithful. You are completely free to be in union with God or not to be. For that reason there will be a judgment.
We are responsible for our actions and choices. Neither God nor Satan makes you do anything that you do not desire to do.
However, the purpose of Christ's salvation of the world from death, sin and Satan was to make possible the union of man and God in order that man could freely attain eternal life. This attaining eternal life is a person's individual salvation and it is all about work, working through faith.
In neither case did He need to save us. However the Gift of love, grace and mercy to man also enabled Christ again to have dominion over this world by defeating Satan. He could have permitted His creation as well as man to be continually dissolved by death but they He would not have been Sovereign over His own creation.
but righteousness is not salvation. This does not save a man. It simply puts a person into a correct relationship with Christ in order that he might attain eternal life.
You are correct in that God created this world and man in it. But He also set up how man would operate in this world. We either do His will or our own will, but the choice is all ours and every single human being.
What you fail to understand is that Christ redeemed all sinners, mankind, no one was left out. Rom 5:6-10. Col 1:20. This gift makes it possible for all men to be able to believe and have a relationship with his Creator. Thus you did have say in that you chose to believe. God did not compel you to believe, He cannot compel you to remain faithful. You are completely free to be in union with God or not to be. For that reason there will be a judgment.
We are responsible for our actions and choices. Neither God nor Satan makes you do anything that you do not desire to do.
C
Righteousness actually is the means to salvation. You can either come to God based on your own righteousness, or clothed in Christ's righteousness. Scripture is clear that Christ is the only way, and that we can attain heaven by his righteousness alone.
Sorry, I reject catholic and eastern orthodox soteriology. You'll have to prove your case from the Bible.
Sorry, I reject catholic and eastern orthodox soteriology. You'll have to prove your case from the Bible.