Christians and crimes of the Jewish State

[kaylagrl]

I've heard this phrase bandied about by dispensationalists... is that what you are? Where is that term used, anywhere in the New Testament?

Y'know, I am a Jew in the flesh. Was I chosen before I became Chosen in Christ? Was that some special "chosen ness" that I had that you didn't? Or perhaps you imagine that I have the idea that I get a plot of land over there as some "natural" right by geneology? And if I was "chosen" before Receiving Christ, why did I receive Christ?? Can someone be "chosen" and NOT be in Christ? Like my Jewish family who hates him for instance?

Have you ever stopped to think about this?

I was broke off. You and I've both been grafted in by faith. Anyone who has received Christ is grafted into Israel by faith. There is NO OTHER GOSPEL. No Other Israel. The OLD Israel/Jerusalem is the reality of how we should always be looking at things;

(Gal 4:23)
But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
(Gal 4:24)
Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
(Gal 4:25)
For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
(Gal 4:26)
But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. (CHRISTIANS).

(Gal 4:27)
For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
(Gal 4:28)
Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
(Gal 4:29)
But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
(Gal 4:30)
Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son (fleshly Israel): for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
(Gal 4:31)

So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.





(1Co 15:50)
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Bride you can label me what you will.I already know many Jews don't accept Christ as savior.And they wont until the anti Christ comes and they realize the mistake they made.Jews have been persecuted and forced out of one country and another many times by "Christians" with Jesus name on their lips.They have been labeled Christ killers and have been rounded up and over 6 million of them killed for it.So yes I can see why some would hate Christians.
If you are truly a Jew then yes,you were of a chosen people before you came to Christ.God made a covenant with Israel, the earthly Israel, that He hasnt broken.And yes I have thought about it.
Lastly as to the Jews right to the land I will simply give this link....Israel's Right to the Land

 

[MsSpratt]

Who says that the Lord has no Son?

well, jew and muslims i suppose.

 

[MsSpratt]

When you read this woman's posts, you can almost feel the hatred she has for the Jews and Christians that love them. At the root of this hatred is the satanic "replacement theology" that these people use to justify the horrific treatment of the Jews through history. You cannot reason with them, you cannot agree to disagree with them, you can only pray that the Lord will change their stony hearts. Although I find these people truly revolting I truly try and love and pray for them.

thank you for not posting on the subject.
i can't help but wonder why ppl (you) are unwilling to even call evil what it is.
based on your first sentence, judging my motives, i will do us each a favor and use the ignore feature.
i'm truly sorry you could not address the problems as posted in this thread - namely, the approval by ppl such as yourself, of documented crimes against humanity (people Jesus died for), but resort to attacking me for bringing up a subject the entire world is discussig.

as for replacement theology, i suppose that is also another thread. you may start one, but i won't be able to see it.
all th best to you, i forgive you for your slander.

 

[MsSpratt]

Something fishy with MsSpratt.

Last May, she was full of questions like the following, almost like a newbie Christian. ..



...now she comes on like a roaring anti Zionist, dogmatic on everything.
We must be downwind from Denmark.

i have had some time to examine operation protective edge.
what is fishy about asking question the entire world is askng?
i'm amazed by the contributors to this thread who have not yet addressed anything about the original subject, but have chosen to attack me instead.

i do not find anywhere that Jesus said kill or encourage it....for anyone.
if the apostles warned christians against it, how do we support atrocities by any groups?

i don't believe i have used the word zionist..have i?
i'm not dogmatic on this - the facts are there. yet no one addresses the issue.

 

[kaylagrl]

So you say? You sound like one of the rabbis of the cursed religion I was delivered from. Yuk. My salvation in Christ was first and foremost being delivered of THAT silly propaganda straight from the mouth of the dragon.
(Rom 3:4)
God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

The Jews have been blinded to the truth because Christ came to them first and they didn't accept them."he came to His own and they received him not." So those of us who are gentiles have benefited because we have been allowed to be grated into the vine.Jesus is not Israel,Israel is Israel. I hope you will someday come to the full truth of the gospel.

 

[Bride]

Too bad you don't have Paul's attitude toward your kinsmen. Sounds like you're bitter and letting pride get in the way. Paul didn't resort to petty insults, but was overcome by his love for them.

Rom. 9:1 I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit, 2 that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen according to the flesh, 4 who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; 5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.

That's the real christian attitude for the jewish man in Christ.

That is the exact same attitude I have as Paul. Who are you to judge my attitude of my kinsman? I would die for any and all of them if they would turn from their wicked ways. Don't you dare tread where you have no clue sir. I am the opposite of bitter and proud, I rejoice in being delivered in Christ. Dispense with the personal attacks, do you hear me?
I would die for my blood family. Who wouldn't? I would die for those who aren't blood. THAT is my testimony. You have no right to find fault with me. How dare you.

 

[Bride]

The Jews have been blinded to the truth because Christ came to them first and they didn't accept them."he came to His own and they received him not." So those of us who are gentiles have benefited because we have been allowed to be grated into the vine.Jesus is not Israel,Israel is Israel. I hope you will someday come to the full truth of the gospel.

Well let's see if we can get you up to speed here honey. You are lagging way behind. This has already been established, so that you now yourself can know who Israel is first and foremost... ready? Information coming to Kaylagirlllllll!!!!


JESUS IS ISRAEL.

Who is the First born Son of God?
(Col 1:18)
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Where did God call His First born son out of?

(Mat 2:15)
And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.


What is His Name?
(Exo 4:22)
And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:


Now, any question WHO ISRAEL IS?

 

[Bride]

Too bad you don't have Paul's attitude toward your kinsmen. Sounds like you're bitter and letting pride get in the way. Paul didn't resort to petty insults, but was overcome by his love for them.

Rom. 9:1 I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit, 2 that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen according to the flesh, 4 who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; 5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.

That's the real christian attitude for the jewish man in Christ.

I again scrolled back to see what the possible reason is that you attacked me with that horrible accusation, and I have not one clue which could have made you attack me. Therefore I don't take it personally. But I warn you that I will become quite upset with you if you make any more personal attacks on me out of the blue whoever you are SIR. I don't know you and you don't know me but you better mind your manners and curb that tongue of yours do you understand?
Rebuking in Love.

 

[Bride]

i have had some time to examine operation protective edge.
what is fishy about asking question the entire world is askng?
i'm amazed by the contributors to this thread who have not yet addressed anything about the original subject, but have chosen to attack me instead.

i do not find anywhere that Jesus said kill or encourage it....for anyone.
if the apostles warned christians against it, how do we support atrocities by any groups?

i don't believe i have used the word zionist..have i?
i'm not dogmatic on this - the facts are there. yet no one addresses the issue.

Now I'm being attacked by pure strangers whom I have no idea why, accusing me of being bitter and proud. Perhaps it's some form of viral "anti-semitsm" lol! Especially on a "Christian" forum? It's like the place is crawling with demons or something, yuk!

Well here's all that I can say for you non-believers who like to do nothing but hate and despise and tear up the Children of God with all your false allegations, and can't even answer the OP without kneejerk turning into rabid wolves...

You will get your wish. You aren't Israel you say? So be it.

May God have mercy on your souls

(Mat 15:24)
But he answered and said,

I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.





(Luk 1:54)
He hath holpen his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy;


(Gal 6:14)
But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.




(Gal 6:15)
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.




(Gal 6:16)
And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

 

[Bride]

i have had some time to examine operation protective edge.
what is fishy about asking question the entire world is askng?
i'm amazed by the contributors to this thread who have not yet addressed anything about the original subject, but have chosen to attack me instead.

i do not find anywhere that Jesus said kill or encourage it....for anyone.
if the apostles warned christians against it, how do we support atrocities by any groups?

i don't believe i have used the word zionist..have i?
i'm not dogmatic on this - the facts are there. yet no one addresses the issue.

No honey, you have not been guilty of any one of the things they've accused you of. They are false accusers. Speaking evil of that which they know not. It's their lot in life. It's simply a manifestation of the devil, the accuser of the brethren;

(Rev 12:10)
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.


Their time is short. Soon to be cast down...

 

[Bride]

thank you for not posting on the subject.
i can't help but wonder why ppl (you) are unwilling to even call evil what it is.
based on your first sentence, judging my motives, i will do us each a favor and use the ignore feature.
i'm truly sorry you could not address the problems as posted in this thread - namely, the approval by ppl such as yourself, of documented crimes against humanity (people Jesus died for), but resort to attacking me for bringing up a subject the entire world is discussig.

as for replacement theology, i suppose that is also another thread. you may start one, but i won't be able to see it.
all th best to you, i forgive you for your slander.

You've remained a Saint throughout the hateful speech of the wicked. You are an inspiration of patience and longsuffering

 

[psychomom]

just thought it might be worth noting,
gentiles are not grafted in by jews...

gentiles are grafted in by Jesus.

 

[crossnote]

i have had some time to examine operation protective edge.
what is fishy about asking question the entire world is askng?
i'm amazed by the contributors to this thread who have not yet addressed anything about the original subject, but have chosen to attack me instead.

i do not find anywhere that Jesus said kill or encourage it....for anyone.
if the apostles warned christians against it, how do we support atrocities by any groups?

i don't believe i have used the word zionist..have i?
i'm not dogmatic on this - the facts are there. yet no one addresses the issue.

Your basing your new stance on Operation Protective Edge? Where it was triggered by the kidnapping and murder of three Israeli boys by Palestinians? With the subsequent findings by the IDF that there was a planned massive attack from the tunnels by Hamas for September? The same Hamas that hid their weapons in civilian areas, and wouldn't let the civilians leave when the IAF would give fair warning that they would level a certain building? ETC.
I find your reason for your change quite surprisingly abrupt, almost as if you were either injected with some kind of anti Zionist hate serum (HA), or you were feigning innocency from the start back in May. You don't have a twin sister named Zone do you?

 

[Bride]

just thought it might be worth noting,
gentiles are not grafted in by jews...

gentiles are grafted in by Jesus.

That's exactly what Israel's loving Messiah does best Calls Israel out of the Gentiles, fulfilling prophecies like this;

(Joe 3:2)
I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for
my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the Gentiles, and parted my land.





(Eze 37:21)
And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the Gentiles, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:


(Eze 34:13)
And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them to their own land, and feed them upon the mountains of Israel by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country.






(Jer 31:10)
Hear the word of the LORD, O ye nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say, He that scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd doth his flock.


(Isa 11:12)
And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.


Even the Jews wondered how that prophecy was going to be filled, but you are right my dear, it is by grafting them in out of the Gentiles
They asked each other about it;





(Joh 7:34)
Ye shall seek me, and shall not find me: and where I am, thither ye cannot come.




(Joh 7:35)
Then said the Jews among themselves, Whither will he go, that we shall not find him? will he go unto the dispersed among the Gentiles, and teach the Gentiles?

And of course, that answer is yes. The "dispersed" they are referring to is the 10 tribes of Israel God divorced and scattered in the O.T.


(Jer 30:11)
For I am with thee, saith the LORD, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet will I not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished.

But the High Priest sealed that deal, the final prophecy of the Levitical Priesthood, was that Jesus would gather the "dispersion" from the Gentiles


(Joh 11:49)
And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all,




(Joh 11:50)
Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.




(Joh 11:51)
And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;




(Joh 11:52)
And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.

And that is what the Bride and the Spirit have been doing, is gathering and grafting Israel back in to the Olive Tree of Salvation, through the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the Messiah to Israel.
Thank you Jesus!

 

[Bride]

Your basing your new stance on Operation Protective Edge? Where it was triggered by the kidnapping and murder of three Israeli boys by Palestinians? With the subsequent findings by the IDF that there was a planned massive attack from the tunnels by Hamas for September? The same Hamas that hid their weapons in civilian areas, and wouldn't let the civilians leave when the IAF would give fair warning that they would level a certain building? ETC.
I find your reason for your change quite surprisingly abrupt, almost as if you were either injected with some kind of anti Zionist hate serum (HA), or you were feigning innocency from the start back in May. You don't have a twin sister named Zone do you?

Might you ever have some redeeming social input instead of false accusations and hate speech toward an OP who is innocent of your mindless accusations against her. Do you or do you not intend to answer the OP? If not, go sow discord somewhere else. You are an embarrassment.

 

[crossnote]

Might you ever have some redeeming social input instead of false accusations and hate speech toward an OP who is innocent of your mindless accusations against her. Do you or do you not intend to answer the OP? If not, go sow discord somewhere else. You are an embarrassment.

What are you a tag team?
This was the OP...
[h=2]Christians and crimes of the Jewish State[/h]

what say you? sanctified?

Other than that it was Palestinian Propaganda. I don't drink the Kool Aid.​

 

[kepha]

[h=2]How Hamas Wields Gaza’s Casualties as Propaganda [/h]How Hamas Wields Gaza's Casualties as Propaganda

08 Aug 2014
Israel has won the tunnel war, but lost the propaganda battle to Hamas
Israel has won the tunnel war, but lost the propaganda battle to Hamas - Telegraph

...In its perversion of truth, the UN human rights body provided Sudan, whose government has the blood of hundreds of thousands of civilians from decades of documented genocide and ethnic cleansing on its hands, with a platform to accuse Israel of maintaining a “policy of ethnic cleansing and genocide.” Iran, whose ruling thugs regularly imprison, torture and execute political dissidents, got a platform to claim that Israel was engaged in “massacres and crimes against humanity.” On the same day that Iran’s representative was fulminating against Israel in Geneva, Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said that “Israel’s annihilation is the only real cure.” Is it any wonder that Israelis are very concerned that Iran is getting closer and closer to achieving its nuclear arms ambitions while Iran buys more time in phony negotiations that have just been extended? ...
The UN’s Propaganda War Against Israel | FrontPage Magazine

[h=1]Israel: Palestinians Fed Daily Anti-Israel Propaganda[/h]Israel: Palestinians Fed Daily Anti-Israel Propaganda - Inside Israel - CBN News - Christian News 24-7 - CBN.com

 

[kaylagrl]

Well let's see if we can get you up to speed here honey. You are lagging way behind. This has already been established, so that you now yourself can know who Israel is first and foremost... ready? Information coming to Kaylagirlllllll!!!!


JESUS IS ISRAEL.

Who is the First born Son of God?
(Col 1:18)
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Where did God call His First born son out of?

(Mat 2:15)
And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.


What is His Name?
(Exo 4:22)
And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:


Now, any question WHO ISRAEL IS?

​No,Im sorry you are believing a heresy.Jesus is not Israel.The closest thing I can find to what you are saying is Amillennialism.And Christians do not believe that.I think a moderator needs to check into what is being said here.This is false teaching,period.Sorry.

 

[Bride]

​No,Im sorry you are believing a heresy.Jesus is not Israel.The closest thing I can find to what you are saying is Amillennialism.And Christians do not believe that.I think a moderator needs to check into what is being said here.This is false teaching,period.Sorry.

Buzzzzz wrong answer!

Since your opinion means nothing, and the scriptures were just now given you and you ignore them and substitute ignorance for fact, that says it all for me. Thank you. Bye bye now sweetie.

 

[ChristIsGod]

MsSpratt, I'm not sure that you understood my post - lest there wouldn't be any taking of sides and believing every News article on this topic. All news sources are either controlled or biased, one way or the other, with very few if any exceptions.
The point I was trying to bring across is how much effort there is in what is happening world wide and who is pumping it up & funding it from behind the scenes from the countries that are considered world powers.
I'm sorry - I probably should have gone even further with my post, so you maybe wouldn't have "liked" that post.

WHO made Israel a Nation again? - when they didn't need anyone to make them a nation -- as they were coming back on their own back in the 1800's.

What country occupied Israel before they were made a nation?

Did not God say that Israel would "sign a covenant with death"? And that they'd be chastised before He rescues them?

So what entity 'declared' Israel a nation and what covenant did they have to sign to get it?

This topic is so much more complex than is being realized. The same entity that declared Israel a nation when Israel didn't need their help, sits right in a great city.
As two of our Brothers have described, we're back to Babal/Babylon. One international language - 'nothing will be impossible unto them' - as far as technology, etc. etc.. heading to a 4th Reich covering the whole world.
All of these wars are not being orchestrated by who you think - but by an entity - a conglomeration of world powers.

We need to desperately pray for those that He foreknew would come to Him but haven't yet - both from the wild & natural olive trees and pray for all of His chosen world wide for strength for the days that are yet to come and stop fighting amongst ourselves - if we're supposed to be the only 'sane' ones on this planet. We're not being a witness to anyone.
Read God's plan for Israel in these days, the days before His Coming and His plans for her At His Coming -
and leave it up to Him to lay any charges against her - as He's written enough of what He will allow to come - but we're to always pray for Jerusalem which has been taken over by those that are not His people - though some of the remnant are there but may probably have to flee at some point.
Jerusalem belongs to Him, Mount Zion, the Mount of Olives on the east of Jerusalem -- which most all of the OT centers around those names.

Thanks for hearing me out. And that goes for any who have.