Gods Mercy,Why the Jews are Still Gods Chosen People

[SoulWeaver]

I already said I'm not a preterist and explained my position respectfully in another post so you know where I'm coming from.
All I'm saying is that this everlasting possession is based on the verse likely to be Spiritual Israel which is everlasting habitation in the LORD and it is wide open to be given to the Jews who will embrace it, to join the apostles and prophets.

You are quoting God promising a land for an everlasting possession.
So interpreting it as a physical land, it just sounds contradictory to me.

Luke 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

The promise is eternal indeed, but the earth isnt. That's all I say.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

How do we know it won't be their possession also in the New heavens and the New earth?

only a better cannan, not a dessert.. A land truly flowing with milk and honey

 

[SoulWeaver]

How do we know it won't be their possession also in the New heavens and the New earth?

Then what's the point in giving it back to them for just 1000 years, to take it away again?

 

[crossnote]

Then what's the point in giving it back to them for just 1000 years, to take it away again?

He doesn't take it away, He renews it to a far better possession.

 

[Straightshot]

My comment:

The ending of the millennial kingdom will bring the Lord's eternal kingdom .... new heaves and new earth [Revelation 21]

Only the believing immortals both of Israel and the Gentiles will inhabit His eternal kingdom which will last forever

crossnote is correct

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I already said I'm not a preterist and explained my position respectfully in another post so you know where I'm coming from.
All I'm saying is that this everlasting possession is based on the verse likely to be Spiritual Israel which is everlasting habitation in the LORD and it is wide open to be given to the Jews who will embrace it, to join the apostles and prophets.

You are quoting God promising a land for an everlasting possession.
So interpreting it as a physical land, it just sounds contradictory to me.

Luke 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

The promise is eternal indeed, but the earth isnt. That's all I say.

How can it be spiritual isreal.

look at the covenant.

In you shall all the world be blessed (this includes many saved people from all nations.)

He said that the land would not be possessed for 400 years because the sin of the people had not yet been complete (the people in the land were saved at the time, yet God did not promise it to them)

He said abraham would be the father of many nations, Many were saved and believed God, but the promise was not to them.

Yet the land was not promised to any of these spiritua children of abraham. Only to one of his descendents, and then again, Only one of his sons (jacob) that was all.

Then think of lev 26. Where he gave them conditions for living in the land, and conditions for getting kicked out of the land, then conditions for being returned to the land.

with all of this. how can it be anything but a physical promise. To much goes against that interpretation.

Sorry for thining you were a preterist. If you are not your the first one I met who did not believe in the land promise.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Then what's the point in giving it back to them for just 1000 years, to take it away again?

to do what he promised.

set up his throne on davids.

Bless the world through Israel

Prove to all mankind he keeps his promise, his grace exceeds all others. There is not like him.

I can go on and on

 

[Trailblazer]

Here is a brief outline presented as a timeline of persecution of the Jews from 250AD to present.

Jewish Persecution | Timeline of Judaism | History of AntiSemitism

WOW! Those are some very long list. Gives me a better grasp of some of the spiritual battles that have been going on through out the years. When there is a spiritual battle. Then Jesus is at work also.

 

[crossnote]

My comment:

The ending of the millennial kingdom will bring the Lord's eternal kingdom .... new heaves and new earth [Revelation 21]

Only the believing immortals both of Israel and the Gentiles will inhabit His eternal kingdom which will last forever

crossnote is correct

Well...I hope we don't have new 'heaves'.

 

[Bride]

Isreal still has to repent. Lev 26 says that, When the wife comes Back, God will remember his promise to her. NOT BEFORE.

what part of NOT before do you not understand?

again, what part of not before do you not understand?

Oh! You mean like this?

(Rom 7:3)
So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
(Rom 7:4)
Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

 

[Bride]

And we were less whorish than the Jews...such boasting is evil.

No I wasn't. Maybe you were. Boast away if you feel.

 

[SoulWeaver]

Sorry for thining you were a preterist. If you are not your the first one I met who did not believe in the land promise.

I do believe in land promise, but as I quoted before, it says in the NT "they seek a better land, heavenly one".
Is God a liar if He gives them even better country to possess?
I guess we just disagree on that. Peace

 

[Straightshot]

"Well...I hope we don't have new 'heaves'"


You do know what I mean

I am a terrible typist because my thoughts run much faster than my fingers

 

[JesusIsAll]

only a better cannan, not a dessert.. A land truly flowing with milk and honey

I've got some misgivings there about truly flowing milk. Isn't the "land flowing with milk and honey" an expression pertaining to lush, fruitful fertility? Have you ever opened a container of milk a week expired, from the refrigerator, at that? Whoa! Katie bar the door!

I'm going to add that to my list for eternity, if there are any truly flowing milk streams, that they go on somebody else's land, maybe somebody who loves cottage cheese.

 

[crossnote]

I do believe in land promise, but as I quoted before, it says in the NT "they seek a better land, heavenly one".
Is God a liar if He gives them a better country to possess?
I guess we just disagree on that. Peace

Jesus has a heavenly body but that doesn't mean it is not physical.
Same holds true for the land.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Oh! You mean like this?

(Rom 7:3)
So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
(Rom 7:4)
Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

lol.. WHat does that have to do with Israel repenting?

Are you so antisemetic, full of such HATE that even the thought of that makes you sick?

and you want us all to believe you have the heart of God?? Yeah right!

 

[Bride]

Jesus has a heavenly body but that doesn't mean it is not physical.
Same holds true for the land.

Wow. You should write your own Bible with that kind of imagination. Make up something, then say something else holds true because of it lOOOOLLL!

 

[Bride]

lol.. WHat does that have to do with Israel repenting?

Are you so antisemetic, full of such HATE that even the thought of that makes you sick?

and you want us all to believe you have the heart of God?? Yeah right!

Duuuuh well I dunno Einstein, perhaps because you asked this?

Lev 26 says that, When the wife comes Back, God will remember his promise to her.

Then I typed God's answer for you so that you wouldn't say something rude or stupid to me again in reply;

(Rom 7:3)
So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
(Rom 7:4)
Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

What else could YOU possibly think it means than this? Or are you too antisemtic to see straight lol

 

[Bride]

(Luk 1:54)
He hath holpen his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy;
(Luk 1:55)

As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed for ever.





(Luk 1:72)
To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;




(Luk 1:73)
The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,

 

[crossnote]

Wow. You should write your own Bible with that kind of imagination. Make up something, then say something else holds true because of it lOOOOLLL!

1 Corinthians 15:39-44
39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.