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Why does God have to explain his actions to us? this makes no sense, he does not. His soverignty is not in question here, What is in question is will he do what he said he will do (in the prophesies) or will he not do them.
Why does God say he will do these things, and then not do them? and then tell us we should just trust him, he did not mean what he said, he was just saying it.
Did Jesus literally fulfill the prophesy of suffering servant? yes
Did he literally come the moment he was prophesied to come? Yes
then why will he not literally fulfill every other prophesy about him, including what he says he will do?
Why does God say he will do these things, and then not do them? and then tell us we should just trust him, he did not mean what he said, he was just saying it.
Did Jesus literally fulfill the prophesy of suffering servant? yes
Did he literally come the moment he was prophesied to come? Yes
then why will he not literally fulfill every other prophesy about him, including what he says he will do?
Sorry EG By definition Jesus DID NOT fulfill everything literally the first. Jesus was NOT a sheep. Jesus did not smack a serpent upside the head with a two by four or a stone. (By the way the definition of literal is that He would have been a sheep) Many of them were fulfilled literally but some were not. John the Baptist was NOT ELIJAH REINCARNATED or brought back to earth,yet Jesus very plainly says John the Baptist is ELIJAH. How in any manner is that a literal fulfillment of prophecy? Jesus own statements makes that a lie that ALL the prophecies of His second MUST be literal.
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we are not talking about the law. and individual judgment
We are talking about how GOD SAID HE WAS GOING TO JUDGE NATIONS.
Judging nations is not the same as judging individuals according to the law (salvation)
this is a national topic. not an individual topic.
if your going to keep saying it is an individual thing, you will not be able to see the national aspect.
We are talking about how GOD SAID HE WAS GOING TO JUDGE NATIONS.
Judging nations is not the same as judging individuals according to the law (salvation)
this is a national topic. not an individual topic.
if your going to keep saying it is an individual thing, you will not be able to see the national aspect.
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sorry but yes he did.
John called him the lamb of God
Jesus said john was elijah
he did come exactly after 69 weeks (as Daniel said)
He did come, was homely, and had no army, and was rejected by his own, and hung on a tree. (non of these things were said to happen to the messiah who would come.)
you again trying to say he did not fulfill prophesy. If he did not literally fulfill prophesy, then prophesy us useless. You can not use prophesy to prove the word of God is true, or that God is God. you take the power away.
finally
why do you continue to stick on this, and refuse to answer why God said when he comes he will do these things,, yet he did not? why would God say he was going to, and then not do it?
You have to answer that question before you will get me to even contemplate your ideas.
I have nothing against you as a person and you bringing up Scriptures was helpful to my study.
However, I say that people should not be accused for twisting the Word or being heretics or something like that if they disagree. I said several times I was not a preterist and I was still being called that, well I guess it is simply easy to label people one doesnt personally know. Good that you mention antisemitism, because that was another thing totally wrong with this whole thread. People who understood prophecy spiritually were continually being accused of antisemitism. That is just abusive.
Setting this forum on Read Only now. Frees up my time for more fruitful stuff.
However, I say that people should not be accused for twisting the Word or being heretics or something like that if they disagree. I said several times I was not a preterist and I was still being called that, well I guess it is simply easy to label people one doesnt personally know. Good that you mention antisemitism, because that was another thing totally wrong with this whole thread. People who understood prophecy spiritually were continually being accused of antisemitism. That is just abusive.
Setting this forum on Read Only now. Frees up my time for more fruitful stuff.
And here is an example of something written POST PENTECOST...
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Yet you would have us believe that it really means this...
2Ti 3:16 All scripture (written post Pentecost) is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Denying this truth...
Luk 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
Hearkening back to this...
Deu 8:3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.
Makes a sensible and logical discussion impossible.
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Yet you would have us believe that it really means this...
2Ti 3:16 All scripture (written post Pentecost) is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Denying this truth...
Luk 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
Hearkening back to this...
Deu 8:3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.
Makes a sensible and logical discussion impossible.
Did all other prophecies of the OT "literally" come to pass? If all other prophecies 'literally' came to pass - then why not the prophecy concerning the land promised to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob [Israel] - to Israelites (natural descendants and spiritual descendants) wherein Christ will rule?
If we are living in the kingdom NOW - what is the reason and purpose for new heavens and a new earth?
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, an the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless, we according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. Wherefore, beloved, seeing that you look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. 2 Peter 3:10-13
Sarah - I don't disagree with this statement - We have been rescued "spiritually" in that we are children of God through being born of His Spirit BUT I still live here on this earth - don't you? And if I still live here on this earth, in the domain of darkness then I am not totally "rescued" at this point - At this point I have not been transferred to the kingdom of His beloved Son - When this body of death, this body of corruption, puts on incorruption or this mortal shall have put on immortality THEN I am pulled out of the power of darkness and transferred to the kingdom of God. The above verses are stated in the present tense although they have not "literally" occurred, God's way of reassuring us that we have this hope and we are to look forward to his coming for his Church.
If we are living in the kingdom NOW - what is the reason and purpose for new heavens and a new earth?
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, an the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless, we according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. Wherefore, beloved, seeing that you look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. 2 Peter 3:10-13
Sarah - I don't disagree with this statement - We have been rescued "spiritually" in that we are children of God through being born of His Spirit BUT I still live here on this earth - don't you? And if I still live here on this earth, in the domain of darkness then I am not totally "rescued" at this point - At this point I have not been transferred to the kingdom of His beloved Son - When this body of death, this body of corruption, puts on incorruption or this mortal shall have put on immortality THEN I am pulled out of the power of darkness and transferred to the kingdom of God. The above verses are stated in the present tense although they have not "literally" occurred, God's way of reassuring us that we have this hope and we are to look forward to his coming for his Church.
What is your understanding of the "nature of the KINGDOM"? Do you believe that it is a "literal" kingdom with Christ reigning as king? Where is this kingdom? Of what does it consist? Why prepare a new heaven and a new earth wherein dwelleth righteousness if the earth was not to be used?
The meek shall inherit the earth. (Psalm 37:11; Matt. 5:5)
The meek shall inherit the earth. (Psalm 37:11; Matt. 5:5)