Baptism symbol only ?

[Hoffco]

No one is saying that the outward act of water baptism saves. It is what the act symbolizes ,that saves, which is the SPIRIT baptism. The beauty of water baptism is what it pictures: The death to self and new life in Christ. The flood water, of noah's day, is an ANTITYPE of the water in BAPTISM. The flood water, killed: But, the water of/in baptism, saves, symbolically saves, shows faith and obedience to GOD, "good conscience", and it represents the inward work of the SPIRIT, which has saved us. If anyone refuses to be publicly identified with Christ, there is little hope of their salvation. Love to all, Hoffco

 

[Hoffco]

To newbirth , you are not a friend of the Bible,or God, if you twist one scripture to the destruction of the rest of the Bible. Please, repent and be baptized. Heb 6:2 speaks of "baptisms". Maybe you need to be rebaptized. I am going to be rebaptized to show my repentance of my anger. We are planning a Baptism for new believers and a rebaptism of old believer, to show our seriousness of our repentance of on going sin. Love to all, Hoffco

 

[kennethcadwell]

To newbirth , you are not a friend of the Bible,or God, if you twist one scripture to the destruction of the rest of the Bible. Please, repent and be baptized. Heb 6:2 speaks of "baptisms". Maybe you need to be rebaptized. I am going to be rebaptized to show my repentance of my anger. We are planning a Baptism for new believers and a rebaptism of old believer, to show our seriousness of our repentance of on going sin. Love to all, Hoffco

That is good to know, and wonderful Hoffco.
I was baptized again to show a rededication of my faith to Jesus.

 

[newbirth]

No one is saying that the outward act of water baptism saves. It is what the act symbolizes ,that saves, which is the SPIRIT baptism. The beauty of water baptism is what it pictures: The death to self and new life in Christ. The flood water, of noah's day, is an ANTITYPE of the water in BAPTISM. The flood water, killed: But, the water of/in baptism, saves, symbolically saves, shows faith and obedience to GOD, "good conscience", and it represents the inward work of the SPIRIT, which has saved us. If anyone refuses to be publicly identified with Christ, there is little hope of their salvation. Love to all, Hoffco

the scripture says ..it saves us by the resurrection of Jesus Christ....
Romans 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Colossians 2:12
Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
clear as day.......nothing about public identity...

 

[posthuman]

do you have any evidence of the apostles baptising in anything but water?

or do you have the ability to baptise in the Spirit?

men baptize with H[SUB]2[/SUB]O.

Jesus does not baptize with H[SUB]2[/SUB]O, but baptizes with spirit and fire.

which is greater?

 

[posthuman]

Jesus went to John to be baptized in H[SUB]2[/SUB]O and John said to Him

"i am the one who needs to baptized by you"

however it was fitting to fulfill righteousness.

if this H[SUB]2[/SUB]O baptism was sufficient Jesus would not have spoke of another baptism.
but He says, can you be baptized with the baptism that i am baptized with?
and He says, you will be baptized with spirit and with fire

now there is one baptism, one faith, one spirit.
is it the baptism of man or the baptism of God?

 

[posthuman]

Jesus did not just say "go and baptize"

He said also "make disciples"

a disciple immerses himself in His master's teachings and ways.

Christ went to the Jordan river, though it was the Jordan river that needed to come to Him.
we go also to the river, though it is to Christ we need to go.

it is fitting to fulfill all righteousness.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Jesus went to John to be baptized in H[SUB]2[/SUB]O and John said to Him

"i am the one who needs to baptized by you"

however it was fitting to fulfill righteousness.

if this H[SUB]2[/SUB]O baptism was sufficient Jesus would not have spoke of another baptism.
but He says, can you be baptized with the baptism that i am baptized with?
and He says, you will be baptized with spirit and with fire

now there is one baptism, one faith, one spirit.
is it the baptism of man or the baptism of God?

The Lord our God sent His Holy Spirit upon us to be baptized in the Holy Spirit, but that does not take away that the style of baptism that He commanded the Apostles to do in Mark 16 and Matthew 28 was done in water ( baptizo ).
To immerse in water and state I baptize you in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

You are right that Jesus went to John to be baptized, but He did not say it was done for Him to fulfill all righteousness.
He said it had to be done for us ( plural ) to fulfill all righteousness.

[h=1]Matthew 3:13-17[/h][h=3]The Baptism of Jesus[/h]13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John. 14 But John tried to deter him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?”
15 Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.”Then John consented.
16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him.17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”

 

[newbirth]

To newbirth , you are not a friend of the Bible,or God, if you twist one scripture to the destruction of the rest of the Bible. Please, repent and be baptized. Heb 6:2 speaks of "baptisms". Maybe you need to be rebaptized. I am going to be rebaptized to show my repentance of my anger. We are planning a Baptism for new believers and a rebaptism of old believer, to show our seriousness of our repentance of on going sin. Love to all, Hoffco

well we know of John's baptism....but that does not work anymore...and we know of being baptised in the name of Jesus Christ our Lord...those are the baptism that men were authorised to perform....

you have to rebaptise to show repentance of your anger??? God gave you power to control your anger ...be angry but sin not....Do you guys intend to take Christ to the cross again...

Hebrews 6:1-6King James Version (KJV)
6 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And this will we do, if God permit.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
[SUP]6 [/SUP]If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.



repentance and baptism is a very serious matter bro ....please reconsider what you are doing....

 

[newbirth]

Jesus went to John to be baptized in H[SUB]2[/SUB]O and John said to Him

"i am the one who needs to baptized by you"

however it was fitting to fulfill righteousness.

if this H[SUB]2[/SUB]O baptism was sufficient Jesus would not have spoke of another baptism.
but He says, can you be baptized with the baptism that i am baptized with?
and He says, you will be baptized with spirit and with fire

now there is one baptism, one faith, one spirit.
is it the baptism of man or the baptism of God?

God told man to baptise with water....God promised man the gift of the HS

 

[kennethcadwell]

well we know of John's baptism....but that does not work anymore...and we know of being baptised in the name of Jesus Christ our Lord...those are the baptism that men were authorised to perform....

you have to rebaptise to show repentance of your anger??? God gave you power to control your anger ...be angry but sin not....Do you guys intend to take Christ to the cross again...

Hebrews 6:1-6King James Version (KJV)
6 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And this will we do, if God permit.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
[SUP]6 [/SUP]If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.



repentance and baptism is a very serious matter bro ....please reconsider what you are doing....

There is nothing wrong with being baptized again to show a rededication to your faith.
The ones who the bible speaks of that keep taking Jesus back to the cross and recrucifying Him again is those that ask for forgiveness of their sins, but turn around just to do it again. They try to use forgiveness as an excuse to get out of punishment, but got knows the heart and knows if you are truly sorry in your repentance.

 

[newbirth]

men baptize with H[SUB]2[/SUB]O.

Jesus does not baptize with H[SUB]2[/SUB]O, but baptizes with spirit and fire.

which is greater?

Jesus told men to baptise....unless you think Peter is a liar....as some do Abraham.....

Acts 2:38-39King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]38 [/SUP]Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

 

[posthuman]

You are right that Jesus went to John to be baptized, but He did not say it was done for Him to fulfill all righteousness.
He said it had to be done for us ( plural ) to fulfill all righteousness.

Matthew 3:13-17

The Baptism of Jesus

13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John. 14 But John tried to deter him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?”
15 Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.”Then John consented.
16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him.17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”

us = Jesus and John

it is also fitting for me and for an elder in the faith, when i have believed, and so become justified by God, to perform this. fitting for "us" to do this.

it doesn't take it away at all - but the sacrament we practice is an earthly copy of the heavenly thing.

God is one — who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.
(Romans 3:30)

the circumcision had also many sacraments, and washings, and purifications, but they too were earthly copies of heavenly things, and it was not the ashes of the red heifer that made one clean, but the obedience to God, through faith.
it is not the removal of dirt from the body, but the removal of the guilt of sin from the soul that removes condemnation. this is a thing Christ has done - not a thing an earthly priest is able to do.

 

[posthuman]

Jesus told men to baptise....unless you think Peter is a liar....as some do Abraham.....

did i say do not baptize with H2O?
did i ever say that? even once?

do you have no answer? a veiled accusation is not an answer.

men baptize with H[SUB]2[/SUB]O.

Jesus does not baptize with H[SUB]2[/SUB]O, but baptizes with spirit and fire.

which is greater?

 

[posthuman]

The Lord our God sent His Holy Spirit upon us to be baptized in the Holy Spirit, but that does not take away that the style of baptism that He commanded the Apostles to do

Do we then overthrow the law by this faith?
By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law.
(Romans 3:31)

 

[kennethcadwell]

us = Jesus and John

it is also fitting for me and for an elder in the faith, when i have believed, and so become justified by God, to perform this. fitting for "us" to do this.

it doesn't take it away at all - but the sacrament we practice is an earthly copy of the heavenly thing.

God is one — who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.
(Romans 3:30)

the circumcision had also many sacraments, and washings, and purifications, but they too were earthly copies of heavenly things, and it was not the ashes of the red heifer that made one clean, but the obedience to God, through faith.
it is not the removal of dirt from the body, but the removal of the guilt of sin from the soul that removes condemnation. this is a thing Christ has done - not a thing an earthly priest is able to do.

If it was just for Him and John then why did He not stop John and his disciples, and His own disciples to baptize in water ?
The only thing Jesus changed between the baptism John did, and the one He commanded the Apostles to go out and do at the great commission was the repentance of sins part.

John = baptized in water for the remission of sins.

Apostles = baptized in water in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Water was still used from one to the other, and if it wasn't then in Acts the apostles would have stopped using water in baptism which they did not as you can tell by the scriptures.

 

[posthuman]

You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cumin.
But you have neglected the more important matters of the law
-- justice, mercy and faithfulness.
You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
(Mathew 23:23)

let's ourselves not be blinded to the weightier things in our obsession with the lighter,
nor neglect earthly works while beholding heavenly ones.

 

[posthuman]

If it was just for Him and John then why did He not stop John and his disciples, and His own disciples to baptize in water ?

that's not what i'm saying.

in the context, it was Jesus and John talking. that is the "us" in what He said. that's all.

the way no longer needs to be prepared, because the one who was to come after John has already come. John's baptism is not the baptism we undergo. not the baptism that Christ told the disciples to baptize with.

"He must increase, and i must decrease"

our eyes should be fixed on Him, and on the thing that is the assurance that we are in Him.
this assurance is the Holy Spirit - not damp skin. if mankind could do what needs to be done, we would not have need of a Saviour. we do what we can do and should do what we should do, but our trust, our hope, our home, our reward is in the heavens, not in earthly things.

 

[newbirth]

There is nothing wrong with being baptized again to show a rededication to your faith.
The ones who the bible speaks of that keep taking Jesus back to the cross and recrucifying Him again is those that ask for forgiveness of their sins, but turn around just to do it again. They try to use forgiveness as an excuse to get out of punishment, but got knows the heart and knows if you are truly sorry in your repentance.

because you did it does not make it right...the scripture says ...
Colossians 2:12
Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

do you believe what the scripture says....you take Christ into death again....it is one thing to be baptised in ignorance....it is another to know what you are doing and repeat it as if it is a show....

 

[VCO]

the scripture says ..it saves us by the resurrection of Jesus Christ....
Romans 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Colossians 2:12
Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
clear as day.......nothing about public identity...

1 John 2:4-6 (ASV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him;
[SUP]5 [/SUP] but whoso keepeth his word, in him verily hath the love of God been perfected {It does not say, Salvation has been perfected, does it?}. Hereby we know that we are in him:
[SUP]6 [/SUP] he that saith he abideth in him ought himself also to walk even as he walked.

Colossians 2:6 (NIV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to live in Him,

John 14:15 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] “If you love Me, you will keep My commands.

1 John 1:6-7 (NKJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.


SO what is your point, that is all Part of our Christian WALK just like Christian Water Baptism is, and not part of our Christian Salvation.