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"You have the right to do that, but don't claim to be a christian then"
This argument that you carry about the Lord's dealing with His national people of Israel is often turned into one of telling another that they are not Christians if they don't buy your story
It is very obvious to those who know the scriptures on the matter about what you are doing
..... you are telling a half truth and using it to refute the total truth
When confronted you must drop back to your hackle
The people on this forum are not as ignorant as you must seem to think
This argument that you carry about the Lord's dealing with His national people of Israel is often turned into one of telling another that they are not Christians if they don't buy your story
It is very obvious to those who know the scriptures on the matter about what you are doing
..... you are telling a half truth and using it to refute the total truth
When confronted you must drop back to your hackle
The people on this forum are not as ignorant as you must seem to think
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Aww. But God says in Lev 26 if Israel sins, they will be removed from their land, and their cities destroyed, But if they "say yes" then God will remember his promise to the fathers and restor them to the land.
So if an induvidual person of Israel says yes, we can praise God, he is heavenboud, but if (I should say when) the nation says yes, God will continue to keep his promise will he not?
So if an induvidual person of Israel says yes, we can praise God, he is heavenboud, but if (I should say when) the nation says yes, God will continue to keep his promise will he not?
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yep they did, Just like the OT prophets said they would
but does tht negate lev 26, if they were to repent (as the scripture says they will?
[SUP]40 [/SUP]‘But if they confess their iniquity and the iniquity of their fathers, with their unfaithfulness in which they were unfaithful to Me, and that they also have walked contrary to Me,
[SUP]41 [/SUP]and that I also have walked contrary to them and have brought them into the land of their enemies;
if their uncircumcised hearts are humbled, and they accept their guilt—
[SUP]42 [/SUP]then I will remember My covenant with Jacob, and My covenant with Isaac and My covenant with Abraham I will remember;
I will remember the land.
you telling me this is no longer valid? since when?
but does tht negate lev 26, if they were to repent (as the scripture says they will?
[SUP]40 [/SUP]‘But if they confess their iniquity and the iniquity of their fathers, with their unfaithfulness in which they were unfaithful to Me, and that they also have walked contrary to Me,
[SUP]41 [/SUP]and that I also have walked contrary to them and have brought them into the land of their enemies;
if their uncircumcised hearts are humbled, and they accept their guilt—
[SUP]42 [/SUP]then I will remember My covenant with Jacob, and My covenant with Isaac and My covenant with Abraham I will remember;
I will remember the land.
you telling me this is no longer valid? since when?
I am not telling this is no longer valid, but that this is fulfilled and renewed by the blood of Christ. And in this New or Renewed Covenant God included both Jews and Gentile (all that believed in Christ - John 3:16).
Christ fulfilled all the promises. Why do you think God sent His only Begotten Son?
Christ fulfilled all the promises. Why do you think God sent His only Begotten Son?
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lol. It is?
How does a promise to give a nation their land and allow them to live in it in peace have anything to do with the 1st advent?
It has nothing to do with your salvation. It did not have anything to do with Their salvation. It has to do with the promise God made to them, a promise he said was eternal in nature.
Either it is still valid, and if Israel repents, he will remember his promise to them, or it is not, and even if they repent, God will still not remember THIS promise to them.
You can not have it both ways.
How does a promise to give a nation their land and allow them to live in it in peace have anything to do with the 1st advent?
It has nothing to do with your salvation. It did not have anything to do with Their salvation. It has to do with the promise God made to them, a promise he said was eternal in nature.
Either it is still valid, and if Israel repents, he will remember his promise to them, or it is not, and even if they repent, God will still not remember THIS promise to them.
You can not have it both ways.
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Oh I do?
God gave me eternal life based in his promise made to abraham (in you shall all the nations of the world be blessed) I am saved solely on his promise of eternal life to me based solely on his death on the cross.
Then again Abraham was saved this way, as was noah and adam, and Daniel and soloman, and moses and jeremiah. We have always been saved by faith through grace.
So where do I deny the gospel?
Non of his eternal promises to Israel concerning the land, concerning Lev 26, Concerning whether they live in the land if they obey, or are taken from the land because they disobey have a thing to do with my salvation.
If you think it does. it is you who are following a false gospel.
God gave me eternal life based in his promise made to abraham (in you shall all the nations of the world be blessed) I am saved solely on his promise of eternal life to me based solely on his death on the cross.
Then again Abraham was saved this way, as was noah and adam, and Daniel and soloman, and moses and jeremiah. We have always been saved by faith through grace.
So where do I deny the gospel?
Non of his eternal promises to Israel concerning the land, concerning Lev 26, Concerning whether they live in the land if they obey, or are taken from the land because they disobey have a thing to do with my salvation.
If you think it does. it is you who are following a false gospel.
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No, It is actually you who deny the messianic kingdom. which is not the same as the kingdom of God. In which all men and women, either free or slave, male or female, jew or gentile, can come into by placing their faith in the living work of the cross.
If you want to discuss this in a civil manner p-lease lets do it. If not, I fear you will go the rout of your sisters and brothers who came before you who made the same false accusations, Ad hominem attacks, and bearing false witness of others.
If you want to discuss this in a civil manner p-lease lets do it. If not, I fear you will go the rout of your sisters and brothers who came before you who made the same false accusations, Ad hominem attacks, and bearing false witness of others.
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amos 9 11 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:12 That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the Lord that doeth this.
13 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that the plowman shall overtake the reaper, and the treader of grapes him that soweth seed; and the mountains shall drop sweet wine, and all the hills shall melt.
14 And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them.
fulfilled in jesus day
as for genesis
romans
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[TD]4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.[/TD]
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[TD]4:14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:[/TD]
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[TD]4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.[/TD]
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[TD]4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,[/TD]
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[TD]4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.[/TD]
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[TD]4:18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.[/TD]
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[TD]4:19 And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sarah's womb:[/TD]
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[TD]4:20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;[/TD]
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[TD]4:21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.[/TD]
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[TD]4:22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.[/TD]
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[TD]4:23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;[/TD]
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[TD]4:24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;[/TD]
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[TD]4:25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.[/TD]
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13 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that the plowman shall overtake the reaper, and the treader of grapes him that soweth seed; and the mountains shall drop sweet wine, and all the hills shall melt.
14 And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them.
fulfilled in jesus day
as for genesis
romans
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[TD]4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.[/TD]
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[TD]4:14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:[/TD]
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[TD]4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.[/TD]
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[TD]4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,[/TD]
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[TD]4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.[/TD]
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[TD]4:18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.[/TD]
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[TD]4:19 And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sarah's womb:[/TD]
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[TD]4:20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;[/TD]
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[TD]4:21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.[/TD]
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[TD]4:22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.[/TD]
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[TD]4:23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;[/TD]
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[TD]4:24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;[/TD]
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[TD]4:25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.[/TD]
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