Is it possible to get, "unborn again"?

[Jabberjaw]

its amazing, how could we be WORSE after we were saved, then before we were saved?

Especially when we were 'enemies' in the first place.

maybe you should read this again:

2 Peter 2:21 (NKJV) For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them.

 

[Jabberjaw]

of course you fail to see it. Because you do not want to. Like the word grieved, It does not fit into your vocabulary, because it doe snot fit your belief system.

it says,

1. You heard the word of truth the gospel of your salvation.
2. You trusted, or believed in that word.
3. After which you were sealed until the day of redemption.

So where is works.

so belief is not sealed, so it is possible to once believe then to stop believing because it is not sealed, it is only the promise that is sealed not you accepting it.

 

[dcontroversal]

My My, how vicious when called out on your theology that is full of holes...

explain why Peter warns us that the devil wishes to devour us if we were never saved to begin with?

1 Peter 5:8 (NKJV) Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.[/QUOTE\]

Just stating facts as you are the one who by your remarks about your kids opened the door to your own fallacy and moot argument....so answer.....

1. Did you chunk your kids out the door when they were little and did something that upset you?
2. Did they cease from being your kids?

See you cant answer, because...
1. It would prove you were misleading and or lying concerning the statement about your kids
2. It would prove that your theology is heretical as once a child is born they will ALWAYS be a CHILD BY BIRTH

 

[dcontroversal]

don't even go there. respond to what you were discussing first.

typical though, your doctrine was just destroyed (or you were pproven to be an unfit father who deserves jailtime) and you go to another subject.

and you wonder why I have some on ignore already..

He cannot answer because if he does it proves he is misleading or lying about the statement concerning his kids and it proves his theology is flawed and or false........!

 

[notuptome]

maybe you should read this again:

2 Peter 2:21 (NKJV) For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them.

Understand that in light of Hebrews 10:29.

Those who have heard the gospel and reject it for their own gospel certainly have no excuse. Add to that Romans chapter 1 and you get a real clear picture. Men do not like Gods plan and want God to accept their plan. It is in mans nature to desire a part in his own redemption. Mans nature is corrupt and mans plan is also corrupt.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[crossnote]

To say that a born again Christian can eventually be lost by a 'roaring lion' is to ascribe more power to satan than God. ..

John 10:28-29
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

 

[Jabberjaw]

don't even go there. respond to what you were discussing first.

typical though, your doctrine was just destroyed (or you were pproven to be an unfit father who deserves jailtime) and you go to another subject.

and you wonder why I have some on ignore already..

I am exactly where I started, it is you who must shoot off in another direction because you cannot support your claim of OSAS, here it is again, what I started with,

explain why Peter would warn us about the devil wishing to devour us, if we were never saved to begin with?

Peter 5:8 (NKJV) Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.

Quit deflecting, shooting off with stories about kids getting kicked out, explain why Peter is giving this warning to the unsaved as you must claim, then I will say again how can Peter be warning us the devil wishes to devour us if we are already devoured (already his, never saved to begin with).

I have a feeling I will be waiting for a long time.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

so belief is not sealed, so it is possible to once believe then to stop believing because it is not sealed, it is only the promise that is sealed not you accepting it.

how can it be possible?

It says you are sealed until the day of redemption. Not till you stop believing, why are you adding to the word?

You think someone who has true faith in God would ever stop believing totally? Even faith of a mustard sead can move mountains. My faith my dwindle from time to time, but it will never cease.

You think it can, because your belief is in self and your good works. no wonder you think faith can fail. your faith is on the thing that is perishing, not in the one who is everlasting.

 

[Straightshot]

Response to the OP


Being "born again" is a spiritual connection with the Lord

Can an individual unhook? ..... yes one can .... the experience does not eliminate a person's free will

 

[newbirth]

wow. And you say you actually think things through?

[SUP]13 [/SUP]In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, [SUP]14 [/SUP]who[SUP][a][/SUP] is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

No conditions here. And I am not more powerful than God either. If I was. Satan could not touch me.

again, do you even think??

that guarantee is a deposit../earnest/downpayment of our inheritance...you think it means whatever you do ...however you live you can just pick it up...look who is inheriting...

Matthew 25:33-35King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]33 [/SUP]And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
[SUP]35 [/SUP]For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:


Colossians 3:24

• King James Version
  
  Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ.

look who is not...

1 Corinthians 6:8-10King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[crossnote]

maybe you should read this again:

2 Peter 2:21 (NKJV) For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them.

I think you missed this. ..Matthew 13:19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

The Word sown never germinated. ..never born again.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I am exactly where I started, it is you who must shoot off in another direction because you cannot support your claim of OSAS, here it is again, what I started with,

explain why Peter would warn us about the devil wishing to devour us, if we were never saved to begin with?

Peter 5:8 (NKJV) Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.

Quit deflecting, shooting off with stories about kids getting kicked out, explain why Peter is giving this warning to the unsaved as you must claim, then I will say again how can Peter be warning us the devil wishes to devour us if we are already devoured (already his, never saved to begin with).

I have a feeling I will be waiting for a long time.

Yeah you will. because you have been shown but will not see.. One can show you the light, but as long as you remain in darkness you can;t see the light.

No place in 1 peter does peter say one can be destroyed as to lose salvation, it says devour, huge difference.

And you still ignore the fact your an unfit dad, and claim God is an unfit dad just like you.

 

[dcontroversal]

.[/QUOTE\]

Still WAITING on you to answer!

Just stating facts as you are the one who by your remarks about your kids opened the door to your own fallacy and moot argument....so answer.....

1. Did you chunk your kids out the door when they were little and did something that upset you?
2. Did they cease from being your kids?

See you cant answer, because...
1. It would prove you were misleading and or lying concerning the statement about your kids
2. It would prove that your theology is heretical as once a child is born they will ALWAYS be a CHILD BY BIRTH

 

[crossnote]

Response to the OP


Being "born again" is a spiritual connection with the Lord

Can an individual unhook? ..... yes one can .... the experience does not eliminate a person's free will

It involves a change in our nature which involves a change of will.

 

[newbirth]

I have been saved for a few years and during that time I have never once wished to be unsaved. I have been grateful many times and continue to give God thanks many times each day that I am His. I cannot imagine how an unsaved man can face all that the world brings in tribulation, misery and woes.

When I reflect upon how good the Lord has been to me I can only bow my head and weep over my unworthiness and His great mercy and love. Joy unspeakable and peace that passes understanding.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

it is the difference between Saul and David....they both sin but Saul makes excuses, David repents...Saul seeks after familiar spirits for guidance...David looks to God

 

[Jabberjaw]

Understand that in light of Hebrews 10:29.

Those who have heard the gospel and reject it for their own gospel certainly have no excuse. Add to that Romans chapter 1 and you get a real clear picture. Men do not like Gods plan and want God to accept their plan. It is in mans nature to desire a part in his own redemption. Mans nature is corrupt and mans plan is also corrupt.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Maybe in light of Luke 12:47-48 you will understand Hebrews 10:29

Luke 12:47-48 (NKJV)
47 And that servant who knew his master's will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more.

 

[Jabberjaw]

Yeah you will. because you have been shown but will not see.. One can show you the light, but as long as you remain in darkness you can;t see the light.

No place in 1 peter does peter say one can be destroyed as to lose salvation, it says devour, huge difference.

And you still ignore the fact your an unfit dad, and claim God is an unfit dad just like you.

Now your going to have to show me an example of someone who was "devoured" by a lion and lived.

 

[notuptome]

I am exactly where I started, it is you who must shoot off in another direction because you cannot support your claim of OSAS, here it is again, what I started with,

explain why Peter would warn us about the devil wishing to devour us, if we were never saved to begin with?

Peter 5:8 (NKJV) Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.

Quit deflecting, shooting off with stories about kids getting kicked out, explain why Peter is giving this warning to the unsaved as you must claim, then I will say again how can Peter be warning us the devil wishes to devour us if we are already devoured (already his, never saved to begin with).

I have a feeling I will be waiting for a long time.

Spoken like a man who has never met someone who has been devoured by the diabolical one. Peter is speaking of testimony not eternal salvation.

I knew of a Christian who was in business and had a great reputation for honesty. He later was convicted of securities fraud and went to jail. His testimony and his family were greatly harmed by this indiscretion. He now has no testimony for Christ except he is the poster child for what not to do.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

Maybe in light of Luke 12:47-48 you will understand Hebrews 10:29

Luke 12:47-48 (NKJV)
47 And that servant who knew his master's will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more.

So you see God as vindictive and not loving God. If your formula worked then Christ need not have come and shed His blood on Calvary.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[SeaBass]

No it doesn't.....it teaches that those who add works to faith to gain or keep salvation are not teaching and or standing in the position of grace.....gospel of a different kind no power to save and your works for salvation bs will not fly with me dude...go bark up another tree....!

Gal 5:4 plainly, unambiguously says "ye are fallen from grace"

You say "No it doesn't"

Nothing can be done for those that reject plain bible teaching for a pet man-made doctrine.