Christ was tempted LIKE as we are, but He never desired or was tempted to do evil.
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One of the reasons why Jesus was tempted was to show us how to resist temptation. When the devil tempted Jesus, our Lord responded with the Word of God. So if you are being tempted by something you feel the devil is attacking you in, then respond by quoting the Word of God over that temptation (Just as our Lord had done). Jesus also was tempted to let us know that He was in the same place of temptation that we were in so as to comfort us. It is not that Jesus was tempted internally like us by a sinful nature, but Jesus wanted to relate to us in the fact that He was a man who faced the same life problems that we had went thru. He is able to comfort us because He knows firsthand the temptations that came from demons like the devil (like in the wilderness) and other humans (Who were sinful).
If you are interested in just bashing me and not in discussing the Bible, then go to a bashing of people site. I am here to discuss the Bible. That is why we are here. If you brought up verses and I missed them or I did not explain them properly to your satisification, I would be more than happy in doing so. But please be kind and respecful in doing so. It would go along way in proving to me that you are a real Christian if you love in our discussions here.
No, we are not talking about the actual length of time of how our minds process information. That is not what we are talking about. She was implying that Jesus thought about the devil's offer (as if that was a possibility for him) within those two seconds. If that was not what she meant, then why did the rest of her post include the line of thought with Jesus falling into moments of weakness? See, I don't believe Jesus considered sin or evil as a possibility. I don't believe Jesus had moments of weakness. Jesus is God Almighty in the flesh. He is Holy and perfect and without flaw. He is the sinless Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the entire world. A Lamb was not to have any defects in it. If Jesus had any defects in Him (By having the capacity to do wrong), then He could not be our spotless Lamb.
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See, what folks don't understand here is that I am defending the goodness of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. However, most everyone here seems to be against that idea by saying God creates evil and or Jesus had internal temptation (Which implies there was darkness within our Lord).
I mean, explain it to me. How can Jesus have internal temptation and not have darkness within Him?
How can God directly create evil and yet not be evil himself?
For if I create a robot that was specifically programed to kill, would I not be responsible for the actions of that robot?
Anyways, please use Scripture and or real world examples.
I mean, explain it to me. How can Jesus have internal temptation and not have darkness within Him?
How can God directly create evil and yet not be evil himself?
For if I create a robot that was specifically programed to kill, would I not be responsible for the actions of that robot?
Anyways, please use Scripture and or real world examples.
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I agree with you in the sense Jesus had no desire, in that sense, you couldn't tempt Him, and even the question is insulting.. The question was asked though, and a answer was given, that transpired, it happened, did he think hmmm, maybe, I'm with you are God is to strong for that, but that doesn't mean the question wasn't asked and comprehended ..
Then we are in agreement then, my friend. Jesus was not tempted internally but only externally; And I do believe time takes place for people to process information at times in conversations. I can see that as a possibility in that scenario. But the way she wrote her post, it sounded very clear to me that she was implying that Jesus could have considered in doing evil within those 2 seconds (However, Jesus simply then chose not to act on that evil, though). I don't believe Christ doing evil was ever under consideration or within His mind in any temptation that was thrown his way.
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It has nothing to do with sin. The primary problem of man is that he is dead, a mortal. We all are mortal by inheriting it from Adam. It is death, our mortal body that causes us to sin. Christ gave life to our nature. In order to do that He of necessity must have our nature, not some alien nature unlike us. When Christ arose from the grave, He was giving life to the world and to our natures. It is why we can speak of a resurrection of the dead, why we can speak of human beings being immortal. All parts of us will be immortal. This includes the soul. All of creation is immortal, which is why we can speak of a New earth and a New heaven.
Christ atoned for the sin of the world by performing the sacrifice that is needed for Christ in Heaven acting as our High Priest to forgive ours sins when we confess them. John 6:39 is another great summary of Christ's work in redeeming mankind's nature. He cannot lose any since all men have the very same nature, we are consubstantial with each other just as Christ was consubstantial with us. He was man in every single aspect that we are, but did not sin.
Here again you are being led by the false teaching of Original Sin. Man, let alone Jesus is NOT born with sin in him. We are not born with a sin nature.
This idea that the male passes the sin is straight out of Augustine again and is part of his theory of Original Sin. Augustine believed that sin was passed by the sex act. Amazing. Genealogies are through men because they have always been head of household, not a women. Do you even know what it means that God visited sins of the fathers to successive generations?
Christ atoned for the sin of the world by performing the sacrifice that is needed for Christ in Heaven acting as our High Priest to forgive ours sins when we confess them. John 6:39 is another great summary of Christ's work in redeeming mankind's nature. He cannot lose any since all men have the very same nature, we are consubstantial with each other just as Christ was consubstantial with us. He was man in every single aspect that we are, but did not sin.
Here again you are being led by the false teaching of Original Sin. Man, let alone Jesus is NOT born with sin in him. We are not born with a sin nature.
This idea that the male passes the sin is straight out of Augustine again and is part of his theory of Original Sin. Augustine believed that sin was passed by the sex act. Amazing. Genealogies are through men because they have always been head of household, not a women. Do you even know what it means that God visited sins of the fathers to successive generations?
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I think it's implied that Satan didn't realize that Christ was the Messiah at that point in time. He probably sensed that Christ was different from other humans, but if he knew that Christ was God, then he wouldn't have bothered to try and tempt him.
Anyhow, Christ had the original human nature that is not tainted with sin, hence why the temptations had no effect on him. Our human nature is not innately sinful, but it become sinful via Adam and Eve's rebellion. Christ's human nature is not tainted with sin because he's God, and God cannot rebel against himself.
Christ is 100% human. Being a human does not mean that one is innately sinful, for we were originally made sinless.
Anyhow, Christ had the original human nature that is not tainted with sin, hence why the temptations had no effect on him. Our human nature is not innately sinful, but it become sinful via Adam and Eve's rebellion. Christ's human nature is not tainted with sin because he's God, and God cannot rebel against himself.
Christ is 100% human. Being a human does not mean that one is innately sinful, for we were originally made sinless.
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Matthew 5:28 - But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman TO lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. (The word "to" here means with intent, to intentionally look at her for sexual gratification)
Jesus could look at a woman and be tempted to feel in his human flesh that she was physically attractive but he would not lust after her.
God’s Word even instructs us not to allow our feelings to define a person because the Lord knew that people would be looking at each other (tempted to make assumptions with our eyes); and He shows us how not to lust when we are tempted to stare at one another.
II Corinthians 5:16 - Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh. (NLT: So from now on we will not evaluate people from a carnal standpoint.)
Matthew 26:39 - And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
Jesus is asking Father God if it’s possible that the suffering might be prevented. He’s tempted to think about His own will but He did not sin. Because He then said, “Yet, not My will but Your will be done.” Jesus was tempted to avoid the horrible suffering. But He did not sin.
Jesus is 100% God. And Jesus was 100% man. The flesh man on the cross absolutely felt that the Father separated from Him for He cannot lie! Why would Jesus yell, “Father, why have You forsaken Me?” Because He was tempted in His flesh to feel the emotion of abandonment and rejection. Yet He did not sin… why? Because IT WAS GOD HIMSELF on that Cross feeling the separation between Himself and YOU, Jason! And ME! And the WHOLE WORLD because of sin!
Almighty God Himself came down from His Throne and became like us and went through every temptation we go through and then was tortured and crucified brutally to atone for our sins that He might not be separated from His children. Yes, He was tempted, Jason. God said He was tempted and I believe every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.
Well, it is true that a man to look upon a woman in a sexual way or to want to be with them is lust, which would be adultery according to Jesus. As for physical attraction, this would not apply to Jesus but only to us. Jesus did not marry, have girl friends, and or seek after women. He was the Holy Son of God. He was God Almighty in the flesh who came forth to save us from our sins and not to party and enjoy the pleasures of this life. He did not have a created soul or human spirit. He was not like other men. Yes, Jesus had physical flesh, but it did not have a sin nature. And Christ was not like Adam in the sense that he could be truly tempted into doing something bad because He was impeccable in everything He did. For Jesus is God. He is not A god. Jesus is THE God. So no. Jesus never considered the devil's offer. Such a consideration would be like lusting for something bad or by desiring something that is wrong.
Not sure what this has to do with anything. I agree that man cannot judge by outwards appearances and or look at a woman in lust. Having an attraction is not wrong for us, but for the Holy Son of God, it would not have been appropriate because God desires or prefers man to live for God (In all they do if they are able to resist the temptation in being married). In the case of Christ's temptation in the desert: Jesus would not lust or desire in eating of bread for one or two seconds. Such a thought would sort of be like the same sin of a man lusting or desiring a woman sexually. For both desires or wrongful thoughts in each of these scenarios would have been wrong.
No, Jesus was not tempted to avoid the horrible suffering of the cross. That never happened. Jesus was merely asking the Father if there was another way by his statement in saying "let this cup pass from me." Jesus did not say, "I refuse this cup and I will now let it pass from me." Jesus did not say that. Jesus was completely in the Father's will in His prayer with Him. Jesus was asking briefly if there was another way (Even though to His knowledge He knew there wasn't). Again, Jesus did not faulter in desiring in going to the cross; And He did not desire in avoiding the cross at any point in time, either. Jesus immediately said, "Let thy will be done." Plus, as I said before, Jesus also rebuked Peter for the fact that Peter did not want Jesus to go to the cross, too. So we know that Jesus could not have had the same thoughts that Peter had. Otherwise, Jesus would have been a hypocrite for judging someone in something that he himself did.
Then it was a sin. For if there was temptation involved in Jesus to do the wrong thing by saying these words on the cross, then it would have been a sin. Jesus did not do any wrong by saying these words. He did not faulter on the cross. He felt a separation.... Yes, in fact, he quoted Scripture to reflect that fact (i.e. Psalm 22), but that same piece of Scripture He quoted also let Christ know that God the Father was NOT separated from Him. That is one of the points of the Psalm.
Not sure what this has to do with anything. I agree that man cannot judge by outwards appearances and or look at a woman in lust. Having an attraction is not wrong for us, but for the Holy Son of God, it would not have been appropriate because God desires or prefers man to live for God (In all they do if they are able to resist the temptation in being married). In the case of Christ's temptation in the desert: Jesus would not lust or desire in eating of bread for one or two seconds. Such a thought would sort of be like the same sin of a man lusting or desiring a woman sexually. For both desires or wrongful thoughts in each of these scenarios would have been wrong.
No, Jesus was not tempted to avoid the horrible suffering of the cross. That never happened. Jesus was merely asking the Father if there was another way by his statement in saying "let this cup pass from me." Jesus did not say, "I refuse this cup and I will now let it pass from me." Jesus did not say that. Jesus was completely in the Father's will in His prayer with Him. Jesus was asking briefly if there was another way (Even though to His knowledge He knew there wasn't). Again, Jesus did not faulter in desiring in going to the cross; And He did not desire in avoiding the cross at any point in time, either. Jesus immediately said, "Let thy will be done." Plus, as I said before, Jesus also rebuked Peter for the fact that Peter did not want Jesus to go to the cross, too. So we know that Jesus could not have had the same thoughts that Peter had. Otherwise, Jesus would have been a hypocrite for judging someone in something that he himself did.
Then it was a sin. For if there was temptation involved in Jesus to do the wrong thing by saying these words on the cross, then it would have been a sin. Jesus did not do any wrong by saying these words. He did not faulter on the cross. He felt a separation.... Yes, in fact, he quoted Scripture to reflect that fact (i.e. Psalm 22), but that same piece of Scripture He quoted also let Christ know that God the Father was NOT separated from Him. That is one of the points of the Psalm.
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No, it has everything to do with sin. The Scriptures say, Jesus Christ was manifested to destroy the works of the devil. The works of the devil is sin. The Scriptures say that Jesus is the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world. Many times Scripture talks about how our sins are purged by his blood. So no. You would be wrong. It is about man's sinful condition and how Jesus died to take away our sin. For Jesud died on the cross as the spotless Passover Lamb for our sins. His death would serve no purpose if He was not purging us of our sins on the cross. That's basic gospel, my friend.
Are men at least born pure? What about the "tabula rasa"?
Psalm 51:5 - Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.
Genesis 8:21 - the Lord said in his heart, “I will never again curse the ground because of man, for the intention of man’s heart is evil from his youth."
Psalm 58:3 - The wicked are estranged from the womb; they go astray from birth, speaking lies.
John 3:6 - "That which is born of the flesh is flesh"
c.f. Proverbs 22:15
Job 5:7 - "Yet man is born unto trouble, as the sparks fly upward."
In fact, what stinks about thinking we are good (and not sinful) since our birth is that it tends to lean towards thinking that mankind is not all that bad. Hey, Rick, your okay. You are like a saint when you look at all those axe murders, drunks, rapists, and wife beaters out there.
Things are just rosey in my life. There is nothing wrong with me because since my birth I have been a pretty good kid. So then what need is there for a Savior? Can you honestly say that children do not sin and that they are sinless? What makes them born again children of God if they do wicked things and know they are doing wicked things? For obviously the child who gets caught with his hand in the cookie jar by her parents realizes that he did something wrong. Do you realize that some kids have killed before and done other horrible things? Are these born again spiritual kids of the Kingdom? What verses in Scripture makes you believe so? For when I look at the Scriptures, I see the exact opposite. That we are born into sin by Adam's transgression. It's like a stamp mark thru out the whole Bible. For a good tree cannot bring forth bad fruit and vise versa. For what reason is there to be born again if you believe you are not sinful? For the Scriptures say that that all have sinned and have come short of the glory of God.
For by one man's sin many were made sinners and by the obedience of one, many shall be made righteous.
Romans 5:19
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
It's a contrast or parallel; Like holding two balls in your hand. Light and darkness. One man (Adam) caused death and the other man (Jesus) caused life. If for a moment you think that some can be righteous apart from Jesus Christ under the first Adam then that destroys the model for those who are made righteous under the Second Adam (Jesus Christ).
I agree on this point. There is a resurrection of life (Who will be with Jesus in the Eternal New Earth forever) and a resurrection of the damned (Who will perish in the Lake of Fire).
It has everything to do with sin. 1 John 1:7 says if we walk in the Light as He is in the Light then the blood Jesus cleanses us from all sin. If we confess our sin, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sin and to cleans us from all unrighteousness (1 John 1:9); And all unrighteousness is sin.
1 Peter 2:24 bore our sins within his body upon the cross. Hebrews 10:10 says we are sanctified thru the body of Jesus Christ once and for all. Revelation 1:5 says he washed of our sins in his own blood. Colossians 1:14 says we have redemption thru his blood.
That statement doesn't really mean anything unless you can actually show forth the Scripture to prove your case.
Jesus ascended after his resurrection after seeing Mary so as to be our High Priest. He then spent time with his diciples for 40 days and then ascended back up to Heaven (In a physical body) to sit down at the right hand of the Father.
So if Christ has a sin nature or the potential to sin while in His Earthly ministry, then why will there be no sin in the Eternal New Earth? Show me where in the Scriptures Jesus had either a sin nature, or the capacity to do wrong or evil.
Are men at least born pure? What about the "tabula rasa"?
Psalm 51:5 - Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.
Genesis 8:21 - the Lord said in his heart, “I will never again curse the ground because of man, for the intention of man’s heart is evil from his youth."
Psalm 58:3 - The wicked are estranged from the womb; they go astray from birth, speaking lies.
John 3:6 - "That which is born of the flesh is flesh"
c.f. Proverbs 22:15
Job 5:7 - "Yet man is born unto trouble, as the sparks fly upward."
In fact, what stinks about thinking we are good (and not sinful) since our birth is that it tends to lean towards thinking that mankind is not all that bad. Hey, Rick, your okay. You are like a saint when you look at all those axe murders, drunks, rapists, and wife beaters out there.
Things are just rosey in my life. There is nothing wrong with me because since my birth I have been a pretty good kid. So then what need is there for a Savior? Can you honestly say that children do not sin and that they are sinless? What makes them born again children of God if they do wicked things and know they are doing wicked things? For obviously the child who gets caught with his hand in the cookie jar by her parents realizes that he did something wrong. Do you realize that some kids have killed before and done other horrible things? Are these born again spiritual kids of the Kingdom? What verses in Scripture makes you believe so? For when I look at the Scriptures, I see the exact opposite. That we are born into sin by Adam's transgression. It's like a stamp mark thru out the whole Bible. For a good tree cannot bring forth bad fruit and vise versa. For what reason is there to be born again if you believe you are not sinful? For the Scriptures say that that all have sinned and have come short of the glory of God.
For by one man's sin many were made sinners and by the obedience of one, many shall be made righteous.
Romans 5:19
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
I agree on this point. There is a resurrection of life (Who will be with Jesus in the Eternal New Earth forever) and a resurrection of the damned (Who will perish in the Lake of Fire).
It has everything to do with sin. 1 John 1:7 says if we walk in the Light as He is in the Light then the blood Jesus cleanses us from all sin. If we confess our sin, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sin and to cleans us from all unrighteousness (1 John 1:9); And all unrighteousness is sin.
1 Peter 2:24 bore our sins within his body upon the cross. Hebrews 10:10 says we are sanctified thru the body of Jesus Christ once and for all. Revelation 1:5 says he washed of our sins in his own blood. Colossians 1:14 says we have redemption thru his blood.
That statement doesn't really mean anything unless you can actually show forth the Scripture to prove your case.
Jesus ascended after his resurrection after seeing Mary so as to be our High Priest. He then spent time with his diciples for 40 days and then ascended back up to Heaven (In a physical body) to sit down at the right hand of the Father.
So if Christ has a sin nature or the potential to sin while in His Earthly ministry, then why will there be no sin in the Eternal New Earth? Show me where in the Scriptures Jesus had either a sin nature, or the capacity to do wrong or evil.
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I can say the same for you. Pray to the Lord and ask for His Spirit to reveal the truth to you on this matter and do a bunch of research and compare Scripture with Scripture. See, many times people misunderstood Jesus and or God's Word. They read things and yet they ignore the goodness of God (Christ) and morality (righteousness). They just believe things that don't make sense.
Read the passage. What does it say? It says tempted by whom? The devil. In other words, it is talking about external temptation that was put for by the devil and not internal temptation. The temptation was a one way street that was external. In other words, I can tempt you to eat chocolate covered ants, but my guess is that you probably wouldn't be tempted internally to eat them (Unless there was a lot of money or something involved).
Read the passage. What does it say? It says tempted by whom? The devil. In other words, it is talking about external temptation that was put for by the devil and not internal temptation. The temptation was a one way street that was external. In other words, I can tempt you to eat chocolate covered ants, but my guess is that you probably wouldn't be tempted internally to eat them (Unless there was a lot of money or something involved).