Christ was tempted LIKE as we are, but He never desired or was tempted to do evil.

[SoulWeaver]

I just imaged the moment His disciples saw Him talking with the Samaritan woman... And they said nothing and asked nothing and, after than moment, she became the 1st EVANGELIST woman I read on John´s gospel.

I believe where Jason is coming from is that all evil was really repulsive to Jesus, granted that He knew the truth about God and was close with the Father. Money was definitely no temptation to Him. He was PISSED OFF at the moneychangers.

However, nobody can reasonably defend that Jesus did not have desire to eat bread during 40 days of fasting.
Or that He didnt want to skip the cup of vinegar while being near death on the cross, wounded, bled out and dehydrated.
But then the law wouldnt be fulfilled and He would disobey God.

 

[Jason0047]

You are misinterpreting the scriptures you are relying on to derive the definition of "internal" temptation.
The verse about "looking upon a woman with lust" means to stare with intent to derive pleasure from it and think that one isnt accountable because they didnt do the adultery physically. This is a persisting behavior.
You also take John out of context, it talks about harboring hatred and resentment, again a persisting behavior, not a temptation in the moment of anger.

Let me put it to you another way. If you sin, or fall into temptation, don't you ask yourself that there is something wrong inside of you that makes you do that? Do you think for one second that there is darkness in Jesus Christ? That Jesus had the potential to actually sin but simply chose not to sin? I am sorry, Jesus is good. Jesus is God.

When you face Jesus one day, would you rather be defending how He could have potentially done evii or in how He was always good and impeccable and perfect in all He thought and did? I say this not only because it the moral thing to do, but the Scripturs actually do say this, too. Nowhere will you find one verse that says Jesus considered in doing evil or that He had a sin nature or something bad within Him (that would make Him feel tempted to do something potentially bad).

See, Jesus said that a good tree cannot bring forth bad fruit and vise versa. Jesus is the good tree that works in a believer's life. Now, if Jesus had bad or wrong desire in him, he could not be the good tree. If there is poison in a tree, it is going to kill that tree. Sin is also referred to as darkness within the Scriptures. 1 John 1:5 says there is no darkness in God. Jesus is God. So there is no darkness or sin in Jesus. There is no sin nature. There is no inclination to sin. There is no hidden desire to sin. For to say that Jesus could have potentially sinned, means there must be a Dark source within Him that would have made Him to be able to potentially sin. But Jesus is the Light of the world that shines out darkness. How can he have darkness (potential to sin) within Him and also be the Light of the World that leads men out of darkness?

 

[Jason0047]

PISSED OFF

Please do not take this the wrong way, but I do not think it is appropriate for a Christian to write such a thing.

 

[secularhermit]

The man Christ Jesus was tempted as we are,yet without sin.

The Bible says that if you are led of the Spirit you will not fulfill the desires of the flesh,which means when you are tempted you will not play upon it.

The man Christ Jesus is God manifest in the flesh so He was always led of the Spirit without wavering so He could not sin,where people can be led of the Spirit an act like Christ but they have the capability to sin if they desire.

If the man Christ Jesus could be tempted like we are then He had to be tempted to do evil although He did not play upon it,and He did not have the capability to sin.

If it were not so, Jesus would have being a liar, a faked thing, asking things He was unable to give (like some people preaching on thing and doing another).

No doubt He preached :

Mat_5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.


Luk_6:47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:

 

[Jason0047]

The man Christ Jesus was tempted as we are,yet without sin.

The Bible says that if you are led of the Spirit you will not fulfill the desires of the flesh,which means when you are tempted you will not play upon it.

The man Christ Jesus is God manifest in the flesh so He was always led of the Spirit without wavering so He could not sin,where people can be led of the Spirit an act like Christ but they have the capability to sin if they desire.

If the man Christ Jesus could be tempted like we are then He had to be tempted to do evil although He did not play upon it,and He did not have the capability to sin.

So if Jesus had an inclination to do evil but simply chose not to do that evil, then where did that evil come from? Was the evil in his flesh? How can Jesus be the Light of the world, if there is darkness that He is battling within Himself? It doesn't make any sense. Jesus is either the Light of the World or He is not. If He had darkness within Him in any way shape or form, He cannot be the Light of the World.

 

[dcontroversal]

Let me put it to you another way. If you sin, or fall into temptation, don't you ask yourself that there is something wrong inside of you that makes you do that? Do you think for one second that there is darkness in Jesus Christ? That Jesus had the potential to actually sin but simply chose not to sin? I am sorry, Jesus is good. Jesus is God.

When you face Jesus one day, would you rather be defending how He could have potentially done evii or in how He was always good and impeccable and perfect in all He thought and did? I say this not only because it the moral thing to do, but the Scripturs actually do say this, too. Nowhere will you find one verse that says Jesus considered in doing evil or that He had a sin nature or something bad within Him (that would make Him feel tempted to do something potentially bad).

See, Jesus said that a good tree cannot bring forth bad fruit and vise versa. Jesus is the good tree that works in a believer's life. Now, if Jesus had bad or wrong desire in him, he could not be the good tree. If there is poison in a tree, it is going to kill that tree. Sin is also referred to as darkness within the Scriptures. 1 John 1:5 says there is no darkness in God. Jesus is God. So there is no darkness or sin in Jesus. There is no sin nature. There is no inclination to sin. There is no hidden desire to sin. For to say that Jesus could have potentially sinned, means there must be a Dark source within Him that would have made Him to be able to potentially sin. But Jesus is the Light of the world that shines out darkness. How can he have darkness (potential to sin) within Him and also be the Light of the World that leads men out of darkness?

No matter how many ways you slice and dice the word of God it will not change the words used in context and the whole purpose of why he was enticed and tempted just like we are....NO MATTER!

 

[SoulWeaver]

That Jesus had the potential to actually sin but simply chose not to sin? I am sorry, Jesus is good. Jesus is God.
When you face Jesus one day, would you rather be defending how He could have potentially done evii or in how He was always good and impeccable and perfect in all He thought and did?

Jason, nobody claims that Jesus is less good or such. I was right when I supposed that you believe that it somehow takes away from Jesus' divinity, just because Jesus was also fully man and tempted like us. I thought the basics of sound Christian teaching is that Jesus was fully God and fully man? Again, nobody can reasonably convince me that Jesus did not crave bread during those 40 days in the desert.
Just think about that. I'll stop here.

 

[Jason0047]

If it were not so, Jesus would have being a liar, a faked thing, asking things He was unable to give (like some people preaching on thing and doing another).

No doubt He preached :

Mat_5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.


Luk_6:47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:

Sorry, Jesus telling people to be righteous in no way validates Jesus struggled with sin or had the inclination or potential to sin. Where in those passages does it say that Jesus could have potentially sin? If Jesus did have the potential to sin, then that means there is darkness within Him. How can Jesus be the Light of the World to men in darkness if there was darkness within Jesus in some way?

 

[secularhermit]

Please do not take this the wrong way, but I do not think it is appropriate for a Christian to write such a thing.

In Spainsh, that means the same Jason: Going to the toilet and failing the "target"... And that word is equal to sin, but said a secularized way.

The 1st time I went to Colombia I felt embarrassed each time they said "vaina". In Venezuela "vaina" is used for many things and it´s not TOO vulgar but, when I was there, another´s country, I felt it as "bad" as it is but, the PROBLEM IS NOT ON THE WORDS, but in us and the way we feel about them.

 

[dcontroversal]

I believe where Jason is coming from is that all evil was really repulsive to Jesus, granted that He knew the truth about God and was close with the Father. Money was definitely no temptation to Him. He was PISSED OFF at the moneychangers.

However, nobody can reasonably defend that Jesus did not have desire to eat bread during 40 days of fasting.
Or that He didnt want to skip the cup of vinegar while being near death on the cross, wounded, bled out and dehydrated.
But then the law wouldnt be fulfilled and He would disobey God.

I agree and wasn't offended by your usage of words in your post...!

 

[dcontroversal]

Jason, nobody claims that Jesus is less good or such. I was right when I supposed that you believe that it somehow takes away from Jesus' divinity, just because Jesus was also fully man and tempted like us. I thought the basics of sound Christian teaching is that Jesus was fully God and fully man? Again, nobody can reasonably convince me that Jesus did not crave bread during those 40 days in the desert.
Just think about that. I'll stop here.

No doubt and I agree....afterward he hungered was INSPIRED of GOD for a reason.....We don not have a high priest which CANNOT be touched with the FEELINGS of our INFIRMATIES...but was IN ALL POINTS tempted like as we are tempted......ALL POINTS is obvious, inspired and to reject this is to deny the very word of GOD!

 

[SoulWeaver]

Please do not take this the wrong way, but I do not think it is appropriate for a Christian to write such a thing.

It is not a cuss, it is in the Bible (1 Samuel 25:22 and 5 more places). I use it only with "off" and never alone (although it is used alone in the Bible) because it changed meaning in nowadays' language.
But if it causes a brother to be offended, then it is bad. I'm sorry that I cant edit my post after 5 mins expired. I gladly would and I'll take heed not to use it.

 

[secularhermit]

Sorry, Jesus telling people to be righteous in no way validates Jesus struggled with sin or had the inclination or potential to sin. Where in those passages does it say that Jesus could have potentially sin? If Jesus did have the potential to sin, then that means there is darkness within Him. How can Jesus be the Light of the World to men in darkness if there was darkness within Jesus in some way?

When you are holy you do not struggle to live the way you are. When you are unholy you struggle to be holy. Jesus fought to please GOD at Getsemani, to go His cross but, the rest of HIs time, his fight was "lessened" because He wasn´t a sinner like I am. So I have to fight to live in holiness, because I´m lustful, corrupt, a liar, etc. and He was opposite me, a sinner. So it is me who struggle to be like HIM who is perfect in His Father´s sight.

 

[secularhermit]

Sorry, Jesus telling people to be righteous in no way validates Jesus struggled with sin or had the inclination or potential to sin. Where in those passages does it say that Jesus could have potentially sin? If Jesus did have the potential to sin, then that means there is darkness within Him. How can Jesus be the Light of the World to men in darkness if there was darkness within Jesus in some way?

Angels, like Jesus, have the "potential" to disobey God... If it wasn´t so, He wouldn´t have asked to PASS that cup of the cross He didn´t like.

Personal will, our decisions, have the "potential" to contradict God´s will.

So freedom has nothing to do with darkness, except this opposes God´s desire.

 

[Jason0047]

Jason, nobody claims that Jesus is less good or such.

No, that is exactly what everyone here is saying (But they don't want to come out and say it). If Jesus is God (And He is God), then He does not have the capacity to sin any way shape or form. Even if his body had a sin nature (or corruption in some way to want him to consider in sinning), then Jesus could not be the Light of the World that came down from Heaven to shine His Light to men in darkness because there is darkness within Him. Hebrews 7:26 says Jesus is separate from sinners, holy, and undefiled. Jesus is the spotless Lamb who took away the sins of the entire world. If there was potential for Jesus to be bad, then He could not be our spotless Lamb. Jesus is pure and perfect. Jesus is good. Jesus is God. Jesus is 100% beautiful and awesome. There was nothing ever bad about Jesus. Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever. The Israelites worshiped the same God that we do today. Jesus was not a new creation. Jesus said He came down from Heaven. Jesus said His body was just a temple.

I was right when I supposed that you believe that it somehow takes away from Jesus' divinity, just because Jesus was also fully man and tempted like us. I thought the basics of sound Christian teaching is that Jesus was fully God and fully man? Again, nobody can reasonably convince me that Jesus did not crave bread during those 40 days in the desert.
Just think about that. I'll stop here.

Jesus was fully man in the sense he had flesh and blood, but that is it. Scripture does not say He has a human soul/spirit mixed with His eternal divine soul/spirit. Scripture does not say that He had an inclination or the potential to sin. Scripture does not say that there was a sin nature within His flesh. For if what you say is true, please show me a list of verses suggesting that Jesus could have potentially done evil. See, the fact, that I even have to ask you is just dumb. You know better than to imply that there is darkness within Jesus. You know it's wrong deep down to imply there is some kind of bad in Jesus for Him to be tempted internally. But you just don't want to admit in being wrong, though. Prove your case with Scripture.

As for Jesus being tempted with turning the stones into bread: I recently answered that here:

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...r-desired-tempted-do-evil-12.html#post1782309

 

[SoulWeaver]

You know better than to say Jesus had darkness within Him. You know it's wrong deep down to say there is some kind of bad in Jesus. But you just don't want to admit in being wrong, though

But nobody ever said that Jesus had darkness within Him, and I sure didnt, so idk who are you talking to.
I guess it is pointless to continue the discussion because it will spin in accusations like this and that looks really ugly. You be blessed and that's it.

 

[dcontroversal]

But nobody ever said that Jesus had darkness within Him, and I sure didnt, so idk who are you talking to.
I guess it is pointless to continue the discussion because it will spin in accusations like this and that looks really ugly. You be blessed and that's it.

Anybody who disagrees with his view on this topic gets accused of attributing sin, evil and or darkness to Jesus which none of us have said......!

 

[Jason0047]

When you are holy you do not struggle to live the way you are. When you are unholy you struggle to be holy. Jesus fought to please GOD at Getsemani, to go His cross but, the rest of HIs time, his fight was "lessened" because He wasn´t a sinner like I am. So I have to fight to live in holiness, because I´m lustful, corrupt, a liar, etc. and He was opposite me, a sinner. So it is me who struggle to be like HIM who is perfect in His Father´s sight.

Lot of opinion put forth here, but I do not see any actual verses that answer my questions, though.

 

[Jason0047]

But nobody ever said that Jesus had darkness within Him, and I sure didnt, so idk who are you talking to. I guess it is pointless to continue the discussion because it will spin in accusations like this and that looks really ugly. You be blessed and that's it.

See, that's just the thing. Many here will not come right out and say there is darkness in Jesus. I get that. However, to say Jesus was internally tempted is a contradiction within your belief system (That says exactly that). For if you believe Jesus had the potential to sin that means there is darkness within Him. You can't have the potential to sin if there is no darkness within you. 1 John 1:5 says there is no darkness in God. Yet, people are saying that Jesus was internally tempted as if he battled or struggled with sin (But He simply chose not to sin). This internal battle of sin (in order to have internal temptation) would mean there was darkness in God or Christ in some way. So of course, many of you will not come right out and admit there is darkness in Jesus, but you don't have to. You already did so by saying He was internallly tempted (And you don't even realize it).

 

[dcontroversal]

See, that's just the thing. Many here will not come right out and say there is darkness in Jesus. I get that. However, to say Jesus was internally tempted is a contradiction within your belief system (That says exactly that). For if you believe Jesus had the potential to sin that means there is darkness within Him. You can't have the potential to sin if there is no darkness within you. 1 John 1:5 says there is no darkness in God. Yet, people are saying that Jesus was internally tempted as if he battled or struggled with sin (But He simply chose not to sin). This internal battle of sin (in order to have internal temptation) would mean there was darkness in God or Christ in some way. So of course, many of you will not come right out and admit there is darkness in Jesus, but you don't have to. You already did so by saying He was internallly tempted (And you don't even realize it).

Your theory is flawed dude....

Did GOD call ADAM GOOD in Genesis?
Did ADAM have the ability to be tempted and SIN?

You are still blind to the truth as your opinion and view blinds you to the truth!