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C
I'm still getting caught up with past pages here.
I've read a number of them and from different members and it seems - from an intense statistical analysis - that the "faith only" men are telling us that we're not saved because we believe that once a person comes to Christ by 'faith' that they have to live out that faith by obedience and those posts are pretty nasty. I think we shouldn't go an inch further until all of you guys go back and read your 'faith only' posts to us before we go any further with this. We can't sweep those posts under the rug because God doesn't - as we have to give an account for even every idle word spoken, nonetheless what we say to Brothers & Sisters. This is to just the men that are posting against us so-called "works for salvation" people.
It's merely an appeal.
Thank you, in His Love & His Mercy!
I've read a number of them and from different members and it seems - from an intense statistical analysis - that the "faith only" men are telling us that we're not saved because we believe that once a person comes to Christ by 'faith' that they have to live out that faith by obedience and those posts are pretty nasty. I think we shouldn't go an inch further until all of you guys go back and read your 'faith only' posts to us before we go any further with this. We can't sweep those posts under the rug because God doesn't - as we have to give an account for even every idle word spoken, nonetheless what we say to Brothers & Sisters. This is to just the men that are posting against us so-called "works for salvation" people.
It's merely an appeal.
Thank you, in His Love & His Mercy!
K
We must all understand the Holy Spirit was sent here to help and guide us, not control us as some make it out to sound by saying with the Holy Spirit in us we can no longer do things contrary to God.
We still have the fleshly desires that apart of us, which is why Paul speaks of war that rages inside of him. His fleshly desires with his spiritual mindset guided by the Holy Spirit.
Sin is still part of our lives, it is rather we listen to them or to the Holy Spirit.
We still have the fleshly desires that apart of us, which is why Paul speaks of war that rages inside of him. His fleshly desires with his spiritual mindset guided by the Holy Spirit.
Sin is still part of our lives, it is rather we listen to them or to the Holy Spirit.
C
I do know those who went the Romans 1 way ... but for the others that fall -- I would rather pray that they are just prodigals.
[Was just reading the 2nd chpt of Romans also.]
Anyhow, I believe there's reprobates [seared conscience/dead] and then there's backslidden folks that can return.
Happy THANKS giving!
[Was just reading the 2nd chpt of Romans also.]
Anyhow, I believe there's reprobates [seared conscience/dead] and then there's backslidden folks that can return.
Happy THANKS giving!
I'm not sure what you mean by 'faith only' men?
With Christ alone who is the Author and Finisher of our salvation comes the Holy Spirit into those who by faith alone take Christ as their Lord and Savior. It is that same Holy Spirit that does a continuing sanctifying, purifying, process in that believers life. This includes disciplining, convicting, comforting, strengthening, leading, enlightening us.
So it's not so simplistic as these law mongers would like you to believe. But follow them if that is your desire, you'll find a path of unrest and confusion will be laid out before you. I choose to rest in His perfect obedience and allow His Spirit to do the inside house cleaning.
For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
(Gal 2:19-21)
With Christ alone who is the Author and Finisher of our salvation comes the Holy Spirit into those who by faith alone take Christ as their Lord and Savior. It is that same Holy Spirit that does a continuing sanctifying, purifying, process in that believers life. This includes disciplining, convicting, comforting, strengthening, leading, enlightening us.
So it's not so simplistic as these law mongers would like you to believe. But follow them if that is your desire, you'll find a path of unrest and confusion will be laid out before you. I choose to rest in His perfect obedience and allow His Spirit to do the inside house cleaning.
For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
(Gal 2:19-21)
E
This is the cruxt of the matter, He thinks through his effort he can earn the right to heaven, He does not understand the dire situation he is in, The law condemns him. No amout of effort anyone could do could earn them a spot inside the pearly gates.
Until he repents, and realises this, there is no hope for him.
Christ, The cross. And your faith in the same. Jesus said, it is finished, He did not say, I did my part. now you have to do yours. It is either finished, or it is not.
Actually God gave us the criteria. it is called the law. "confirm and obey EVERY LETTER of this law" anyone who breaks it once is disqualified of entering heaven or the kingdom. With no hope of ever getting in by their own self effort. they already fell short of Gods glorious standard.
Repent, and call on the name of the lord, and you will be saved, COntinue to try by self effort. and you will remain to be condemned by the law. who condemns ALL who do not fulfill its perfect standard.
Until he repents, and realises this, there is no hope for him.
Christ, The cross. And your faith in the same. Jesus said, it is finished, He did not say, I did my part. now you have to do yours. It is either finished, or it is not.
Actually God gave us the criteria. it is called the law. "confirm and obey EVERY LETTER of this law" anyone who breaks it once is disqualified of entering heaven or the kingdom. With no hope of ever getting in by their own self effort. they already fell short of Gods glorious standard.
Repent, and call on the name of the lord, and you will be saved, COntinue to try by self effort. and you will remain to be condemned by the law. who condemns ALL who do not fulfill its perfect standard.
C
Good post, crossnote. I picked up 'faith only person' from one of the posts by one that believes that we are saying what we are not saying. Regardless of how many times I've posted - trying to word things differently or just use Scripture - there were the accusations that I, as well as the few others, were saying that we are not saved by Grace through faith. That was their consistent response.
We were posting Scripture and getting back these type of replies until it was very difficult to communicate at all.
We we never contradicted "saved by Grace through faith" but were told we weren't saved, etc. etc..
Have a great day, Brother.
We were posting Scripture and getting back these type of replies until it was very difficult to communicate at all.
We we never contradicted "saved by Grace through faith" but were told we weren't saved, etc. etc..
Have a great day, Brother.
E
The problem is, when one says they believe they are saved by faith (like seabass, Newbirth and others) Yet claim works MUST be done BEFORE you are saved. They are not trusting in faith, they are trusting in works.
As scripture says, Your works show where your heart is.
If your working for God because he saved you, and gave you his life and seal. And because you trust him when he says sin causes pain and brokenhearted. Your faith is in god.
When your doing obedient works, because you are trying to get saved, or not lose your salvation. Your faith is not in God it is in yourself. Your trying to SAVE YOURSELF.
They can claim they believe in salvation by faith all they want, they problem is, Who their faith is in. It is in themselves. Not God. Their work, not Gods. They reject the cross.
I think God can only make that call. I think Paul seems to think someone could be cut off from Christ once saved. In Romans 11 Paul talks about what happens when one comes to faith in Christ, enters the family, Jew and Gentile, depicted as a cultivated olive tree.
Romans 11
16 For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches. 17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them (Gentile Christians who are grafted in the tree, picture of salvation, entering into the tree, entering God's family through Christ), and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, 18 do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you.
19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” 20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. (Seems to me these wild grafted in branch can be broken off). 22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness,[f] if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
To me the bible seems to teach that if we remain/abide (1 John 2:28) in Christ we are eternally secure.
IMHO, being born again is a spiritual idea which depicts a person from moving from outside God's family to inside His family, Paul refers to this as our adoption, sonship. Can someone completely reject Christ after believing in Him? Yes, I've heard of many who walked away from the faith. The book of 1 John, John gives 6 ways to know that we are saved:
1) We have the right doctrine regarding Christ (His deity and God's son, in the flesh, He is our atonement) what the disciples first taught) (the reason John wrote this book because of the confusion the Gnostics were teaching) (1 john 1:1-4, 2 John 2:22, 1 John 4:2-3, 1 John 4:14-15)
2) We Obey Christ's commands. We practice righteousness, we don't continue in willful sin (1 John 1:6, 1 John 2:3-6, 1 John 2:29, 1 John 3:4-10, 1 John 3:24, 1 John 5:18)
3) We love our brothers and sisters in Christ, we love God. (1 John 2:9-10, 1 John 3-11-23, 1 John 4:7-12, 1 John 4:17-19, 1 John 4:20-21)
4) We do not follow the world (1 John 2:15-17)
5) His Spirit testifies to our spirit. (1 John 4:6-13)
6) God answers our prayers (**according to HIS WILL** and the answer is not always YES!) (1 John 5:14)
Romans 11
16 For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches. 17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them (Gentile Christians who are grafted in the tree, picture of salvation, entering into the tree, entering God's family through Christ), and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, 18 do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you.
19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” 20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. (Seems to me these wild grafted in branch can be broken off). 22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness,[f] if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
To me the bible seems to teach that if we remain/abide (1 John 2:28) in Christ we are eternally secure.
IMHO, being born again is a spiritual idea which depicts a person from moving from outside God's family to inside His family, Paul refers to this as our adoption, sonship. Can someone completely reject Christ after believing in Him? Yes, I've heard of many who walked away from the faith. The book of 1 John, John gives 6 ways to know that we are saved:
1) We have the right doctrine regarding Christ (His deity and God's son, in the flesh, He is our atonement) what the disciples first taught) (the reason John wrote this book because of the confusion the Gnostics were teaching) (1 john 1:1-4, 2 John 2:22, 1 John 4:2-3, 1 John 4:14-15)
2) We Obey Christ's commands. We practice righteousness, we don't continue in willful sin (1 John 1:6, 1 John 2:3-6, 1 John 2:29, 1 John 3:4-10, 1 John 3:24, 1 John 5:18)
3) We love our brothers and sisters in Christ, we love God. (1 John 2:9-10, 1 John 3-11-23, 1 John 4:7-12, 1 John 4:17-19, 1 John 4:20-21)
4) We do not follow the world (1 John 2:15-17)
5) His Spirit testifies to our spirit. (1 John 4:6-13)
6) God answers our prayers (**according to HIS WILL** and the answer is not always YES!) (1 John 5:14)
E
wo here brother
The book of John also shows that a person who was with us in faith, and departs from us rejecting christ were never of us, if they were, they never would have departed. but departed to prove they were never of us.
He follows by saying we have the anointing, Refering to the fact they never had the anointing, they were never saved.
