Salvation Not Possible Without Works

[newbirth]

You can't rescue me, You need rescued yourself. and you do not even see it.

God saved me
God rescued me
God gave me eternal life
God sealed me with his spirit
God wrote his law in my heart
God adopted me as his child
God gave me the power to be his son
God gave me the power to walk in the spirit.

Your still trying to rescue yourself. thus your still under law. It condemns you, and you refuse to see it. You think because you obey a few commands, that God will forgive your sin you still commit?

Your either under law or under grace, there is no inbetween. YOU my friend are still under law because you reject grace.

how come you are still condemn? you say you are under the law and the law condemns you ...now you want to put me there...I am not under that law bro.....

Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull

Thats what God says. not me.The law condemns me, It will condemn me unti, the day I die, because I have fallen short.

 

[Jillyanne]

that is who they want God to be. A God who puffs them up because they are not sinners, They need to puff their chests. And for this reason, will not be able to get on their knees and beg for Gods mercy,

You have to see your sin because you can beg for mercy.

You said it EXACTLY....I was them?..I couldn't see it, i could not see my sin because I was blinded by my own self righteousness, and let me tell you, when I finally saw it...it was ugly....SO very ugly that I begged for forgiveness from my own self. His righteousness is the ONLY thing that makes me righteous, what a burden left me when I realized that when God sees me, he sees His son because I am covered by His sacrafice.

 

[Jillyanne]

You said it EXACTLY....I was them?..I couldn't see it, i could not see my sin because I wase Him, blinded by my own self righteousness, and let me tell you, when I finally saw it...it was ugly....SO very ugly that I begged for forgiveness from my own self. His righteousness is the ONLY thing that makes me righteous, what a burden left me when I realized that when God sees me, he sees His son because I am covered by His sacrafice.

And it THT doesn't make you want to serve Him, you haven't been humbled.

 

[Jillyanne]

if the same physician heals you from death and he instructs you how to maintain good health and long life.....do you think, if you do not follow his instructions you will enjoy good health and long life on account of being healed from death in the first instance...

The child is healed or He is not healed, there are NO contingencies on the contract.

Now, the patient can become selfish and disregard the physicians goodness towards Him and He may bring unnecessary harm to His new life, BUT this does not void the contract of the life given to Him, it only limits the fullness of life intended for Him.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

A dead man cannot sin....Christ is in me so the body is dead...as long as I follow the spirit of righteousness...if I obey the flesh I bring the body back to life and thereore sin

My My, And you wonder why I have you on ignore.

A dead man is dead The beady is dead (condemned) Because of sin.

I have never seen people twist scripture as much as you people to make yourselves right. it just amazes me.

bro....what you are saying makes no sense....
first line ...no sense....
second line denying the spirit can save you....

The spirit DID SAVE ME

thats the part you can not fathom.

more babble

Yeah I know. you can not understand them. But thats ok. It is not my eternity at stake, it is yours.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You said it EXACTLY....I was them?..I couldn't see it, i could not see my sin because I was blinded by my own self righteousness, and let me tell you, when I finally saw it...it was ugly....SO very ugly that I begged for forgiveness from my own self. His righteousness is the ONLY thing that makes me righteous, what a burden left me when I realized that when God sees me, he sees His son because I am covered by His sacrafice.

Amen, and the more you grow. the more sin you will see. and the more "wretched" you will see yourself.

 

[Jillyanne]

And I will tell you New Birth, when someone genuinely sees their sin and understands their own inability to reconcile it, Gods amazing grace become a non negotiable topic. You are trying to convince a person that was miraculously healed by their creator that their healing is now contingent on the same flesh that brought them to their knees....it's redundant, so IF you succeed in convincing them of your theology, they never knew the savior.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

And I will tell you New Birth, when someone genuinely sees their sin and understands their own inability to reconcile it, Gods amazing grace become a non negotiable topic. You are trying to convince a person that was miraculously healed by their creator that their healing is now contingent on the same flesh that brought them to their knees....it's redundant, so IF you succeed in convincing them of your theology, they never knew the savior.

again, he does not understand, he is terminally ill. he is on a respirator, and in a coma. Only one lifesaving medicine can save him (the blood of Christ) and it must be administered before he dies, or it is too late.

He is still in a dream, thinking he is wide awake and can still save himself. so he does not need that medicine (just like the pharisees did) and because of it, He will not allow the physician to inject him with the only medicine that can bring him to life.

 

[newbirth]

And I will tell you New Birth, when someone genuinely sees their sin and understands their own inability to reconcile it, Gods amazing grace become a non negotiable topic. You are trying to convince a person that was miraculously healed by their creator that their healing is now contingent on the same flesh that brought them to their knees....it's redundant, so IF you succeed in convincing them of your theology, they never knew the savior.

no my friend he gives instructions...he says walk in the spirit...when God remits our sins ...we ought to continue our lives in obedience to his words...he gives us the power to do this...
John 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

 

[newbirth]

again, he does not understand, he is terminally ill. he is on a respirator, and in a coma. Only one lifesaving medicine can save him (the blood of Christ) and it must be administered before he dies, or it is too late.

He is still in a dream, thinking he is wide awake and can still save himself. so he does not need that medicine (just like the pharisees did) and because of it, He will not allow the physician to inject him with the only medicine that can bring him to life.

I suggest you reread your quotes bro because admit you are condemned until you die...

 

[Jillyanne]

no my friend he gives instructions...he says walk in the spirit...when God remits our sins ...we ought to continue our lives in obedience to his words...he gives us the power to do this...
John 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

I agree in practice, but positionally, we are light years apart. I will stick with His righteousness ALONE to get me where I'm going. I have seen where this flesh of mine can take me and I would be a fool to rely on it for anything. You must be a strong man, unfortunately, sometimes too strong

 

[ChristIsGod]

Just a few contradictions in posts "likes" I saw last night --


http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/102056-works-salvation-4.html#post1753283


http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/102056-works-salvation-4.html#post1754937


Think about it - for The Love of Christ.

 

[dcontroversal]

My My, And you wonder why I have you on ignore.

A dead man is dead The beady is dead (condemned) Because of sin.

I have never seen people twist scripture as much as you people to make yourselves right. it just amazes me.


The spirit DID SAVE ME

thats the part you can not fathom.


Yeah I know. you can not understand them. But thats ok. It is not my eternity at stake, it is yours.

No doubt and I can think of 5 maybe 6 regulars on here who twist, reject, deny, change and or add to the word so as to promote their heretical dogma....they also attribute things to us that we do not say and or imply, they reject the Greek definitions of the word in favor of the English translation, they reject context, they stand on opinions of men etc....it blows my mind as well...all the time blind to what they are doing and or maybe they know what they are doing and are actually working for el diablo himself!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Just a few contradictions in posts "likes" I saw last night --


http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/102056-works-salvation-4.html#post1753283


http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/102056-works-salvation-4.html#post1754937


Think about it - for The Love of Christ.

what is contradicting?

Faith alone is what saved 9this is what scripture teaches.

But faith that saves is never alone (it will ALWAYS be followed by works.)

 

[dcontroversal]

I suggest you reread your quotes bro because admit you are condemned until you die...

I suggest you re-read his quote while understanding the context....all flesh is condemned under the law until the complete redemption of the body as in a NEW BODY at the resurrection/change which you will not make if you keep trusting into yourself and water!

 

[newbirth]

My My, And you wonder why I have you on ignore.

you have me on ignore because you cannot deal with the truth

A dead man is dead The beady is dead (condemned) Because of sin.

I have never seen people twist scripture as much as you people to make yourselves right. it just amazes me.

Romans 8:10

And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

The spirit DID SAVE ME

thats the part you can not fathom.

Being in the spirit will nto save me, I will still have to be perfect according to the law. Which is not possible. (not to mention I already failed)

Being in the spirit will help me live like Christ. It will not save me.

this is your quote...seems you are very confused...

Yeah I know. you can not understand them. But thats ok. It is not my eternity at stake, it is yours.

can anyone understand babble?

 

[Jillyanne]

In part, I do understand the confusion on their behalf (those trapped in works salvation), because the "sinners prayer" has blinded many also to the seriousness of our sin. They rely on an empty prayer that has not acknowledged sin. I believe that the "once saved always saved" should be restated as "IF saved always saved".

 

[ChristIsGod]

No doubt and I can think of 5 maybe 6 regulars on here who twist, reject, deny, change and or add to the word so as to promote their heretical dogma....they also attribute things to us that we do not say and or imply, they reject the Greek definitions of the word in favor of the English translation, they reject context, they stand on opinions of men etc....it blows my mind as well...all the time blind to what they are doing and or maybe they know what they are doing and are actually working for el diablo himself!

Same exact conclusion that I came to on that other thread about those that were replying to my posts, Brother.

The OSAS people MUST HAVE known at least one human being that backslid to the point of no return.
Understandable that they and the Reformed theology folks would say that that person was never saved.
When that person becomes 7 times worse - even if they've taught and lead the church or pastored.

The only difference between those that believe in Freewill and Foreknowledge [as I do], is that we see Scripture pointing to "falling away from the faith" and what caused these people to "fall away or backslide"?

No one here can say they've never heard of or actually have seen someone backslide completely -- it's just that our view of why they did differs and I don't personally see that it's necessary to continue in these differences with such borderline hatred and hard-words -- as this debate has gone on for well over 500 yrs by the greatest scholars this earth has seen - other than our writers of the New Testament.

If I being a Foreknowledge, Freewill & Pentecostal taboot can be a member of a PCA for approx 6 yrs - I for one do not normally get into these debates online. I know my previous local Church of which I'm still a member are SAVED [even with their infant baptism] because I KNOW these people up-close & personal -- I wonder how some of you can say what you are saying to those that you don't agree with on here .... people that actually love God - believe "saved by Grace through Faith" but feel that obvious obedience is a genuine fruit of that active/ continuous faith.

If nothing else -- read ROMANS 14 and do good to all - especially the household of FAITH.

WE are being judged and will be judged by how we treat and judge others ... and That's a Fact!

 

[newbirth]

I suggest you re-read his quote while understanding the context....all flesh is condemned under the law until the complete redemption of the body as in a NEW BODY at the resurrection/change which you will not make if you keep trusting into yourself and water!

maybe you are condemned under the law...Christ freed me from the law of sin and death...
Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death.

Romans 8:9-11King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

[SUP]11 [/SUP]But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.



Romans 6:13-15King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

[SUP]15 [/SUP]What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

 

[ChristIsGod]

In part, I do understand the confusion on their behalf (those trapped in works salvation), because the "sinners prayer" has blinded many also to the seriousness of our sin. They rely on an empty prayer that has not acknowledged sin. I believe that the "once saved always saved" should be restated as "IF saved always saved".

No. This whole debate is based upon 'OBEDIENCE' as the person feels in their hearts of what God has commanded in His New Testament to us and once again - I appeal to the reading of Romans 14 so this 'holier than thou' [is what it's boiled down to by now] will stop and the judging of another man's conscience [and salvation] will stop -- lest we find ourselves fighting God and damning His Sheep.