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Kennethcadwell,
I have to second Elizabeth's question.
If you feel so strongly, then you SHOULD go and do something.
Arguing in a forum isn't really helping the persecuted.
If you want to help them, you should go do something significant, and really help them.
So what are you going to go do?
What are you going to do instead of just debating in some dusty old forum?
I have to second Elizabeth's question.
If you feel so strongly, then you SHOULD go and do something.
Arguing in a forum isn't really helping the persecuted.
If you want to help them, you should go do something significant, and really help them.
So what are you going to go do?
What are you going to do instead of just debating in some dusty old forum?
K
Do exactly what they are doing.
You can peacefully protest, vote out people in office, write letters to your government officials, and if that goes nowhere which it has for awhile now call for a revamp of the system. Make guidelines like they can only serve 4 years, then out.
We the people make the government, it does not make or control us unless you let it.
The Democracy that was original made was, " For the people, by the people. "
Somewhere through all our governments system that has gotten lost, along with the rights they are slowly taking away from us because not enough people stand up for their rights.
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Yes you are. No you didn't. You're exegesis is wrong as is you're understanding of everyone else's position but your own from what I've seen. You're not a liar because you honestly believe your false assertions, misinterpretations, the misrepresentations you make about other people's statements, etc.. but I'm working on more important things right now and can't baby step you through everyone of your false assertions and show you how you've misinterpreted Dr. Gleason's statements, my statements, and further explain why your exegesis is totally false. Certainly later. In the meanwhile, you may want to read his book. That's where you'll see where you went wrong with respect to what he's communicating.
I guess I have time for a quick example. Dr. Gleason never said all sin wasn't the same in the way you misrepresented him as saying. What he alluded to and discussed in the video, and which he states much more clearly and emphatically in his book, is that all sin IS the same in that it separates us from God and leads to eternal damnation.
However, sin gradients. As the Christian Research & Apologetics Ministry states:
"We can quickly see this from Jesus' own words when he said in John 19:11, "You would have no authority over me, unless it had been given you from above; for this reason he who delivered me up to you has the greater sin."
Other Scriptures that verify this are also taught by Jesus when he said the following:
Jesus clearly taught that there is a difference in the level of sins that we can commit. However, it also seems to be the case that knowledge affects the severity of sin as well:
Peter says that awareness of sin and intent are factors that affect whether or not sin is greater or lesser. This is supported by the Scripture that says, "Therefore, to one who knows the right thing to do, and does not do it, to him it is sin," (James 4:17).
Etc... etc... etc...
You're completely right that a neighborhood girl telling your daughter a piece of gossip is sin and all sin separates a person from God without the appropriation of Jesus Christ leading to eternal damnation. But you're completely wrong if you think this is exactly like a serial murderer breaking into your house and raping your little daughter to death. And that is what Dr. Gleason and every other bible scholar asserts.
Now, for some reason, you can't tell the difference and assert that anyone who says there is one is wrong and then misuse scripture to "prove" that even though all you're doing is misinterpreting scripture and then misrepresenting it to "prove" something that isn't true.
And that's why we have a problem with you Kenneth. It's not your place in God's kingdom for you are saved. It's not your good heart, materially speaking. We like that. We that about you. I like that about you. Get your head to match your heart and we'll get along just fine. Now I have to go. Peace.
I guess I have time for a quick example. Dr. Gleason never said all sin wasn't the same in the way you misrepresented him as saying. What he alluded to and discussed in the video, and which he states much more clearly and emphatically in his book, is that all sin IS the same in that it separates us from God and leads to eternal damnation.
However, sin gradients. As the Christian Research & Apologetics Ministry states:
"We can quickly see this from Jesus' own words when he said in John 19:11, "You would have no authority over me, unless it had been given you from above; for this reason he who delivered me up to you has the greater sin."
Other Scriptures that verify this are also taught by Jesus when he said the following:
- "Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the miracles had occurred in Tyre and Sidon which occurred in you, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. [SUP]22[/SUP] "Nevertheless I say to you, it shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon in the day of judgment, than for you." (Matt. 11:21-22).
- "the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him, and at an hour he does not know, and will cut him in pieces, and assign him a place with the unbelievers. [SUP]47[/SUP] “And that slave who knew his master’s will and did not get ready or act in accord with his will, shall receive many lashes, [SUP]48[/SUP] but the one who did not know it, and committed deeds worthy of a flogging, will receive but few. " (Luke 12:46-48).
Jesus clearly taught that there is a difference in the level of sins that we can commit. However, it also seems to be the case that knowledge affects the severity of sin as well:
- "For if after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first[SUP]. 21[/SUP] For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment delivered to them." (2 Pet. 2:20-21).
Peter says that awareness of sin and intent are factors that affect whether or not sin is greater or lesser. This is supported by the Scripture that says, "Therefore, to one who knows the right thing to do, and does not do it, to him it is sin," (James 4:17).
Etc... etc... etc...
You're completely right that a neighborhood girl telling your daughter a piece of gossip is sin and all sin separates a person from God without the appropriation of Jesus Christ leading to eternal damnation. But you're completely wrong if you think this is exactly like a serial murderer breaking into your house and raping your little daughter to death. And that is what Dr. Gleason and every other bible scholar asserts.
Now, for some reason, you can't tell the difference and assert that anyone who says there is one is wrong and then misuse scripture to "prove" that even though all you're doing is misinterpreting scripture and then misrepresenting it to "prove" something that isn't true.
And that's why we have a problem with you Kenneth. It's not your place in God's kingdom for you are saved. It's not your good heart, materially speaking. We like that. We that about you. I like that about you. Get your head to match your heart and we'll get along just fine. Now I have to go. Peace.
K
The thing is that Democracy was a dirty word back then because they understood it as mob rules. Meaning the stronger party always wins and rules. So they started calling the system after Benjamin Franklin coined the term republic, but this day and age it is still a democracy. The stronger showing at the poles determine who wins.
If we were under what Franklin called a republic then all our voices would be heard and listened to equally, which they are not and has not for a long time.
This is why so many are standing up and protesting now, all it took was the right motivation to get it going. Now if only more people would stand up and protest for their rights instead of sitting back and letting the government slowly take them away.
And we can not just blame democrats or just republicans, for Reagan, both Bushes, Clinton, and Obama have done this.
The taking away guns from all civilians was a Bush movement, that Obama has agreed with. Freedom of speech, religion, protest, privacy, and others have slowly been whittled away at or tried to be taken by multiple presidents.
Democracy contrasts with forms of government where power is either held by an individual, as in an absolute monarchy, or where power is held by a small number of individuals, as in an oligarchy. Nevertheless, these oppositions, inherited from Greek philosophy,[3] are now ambiguous because contemporary governments have mixed democratic, oligarchic, and monarchic elements.
Tomáš Garrigue Masaryk, the first President of Czechoslovakia, is remembered for his saying "Demokracie má své chyby, protože občané mají své chyby. Jaký pán, takový krám." (Czech: "Democracy has its faults, because people have their faults. Like owner, like store."). He regularly described democracy as "a discussion".
The " tyrannical collective ".. and the term " republic " has been around way before Franklin.
Tomáš Garrigue Masaryk, the first President of Czechoslovakia, is remembered for his saying "Demokracie má své chyby, protože občané mají své chyby. Jaký pán, takový krám." (Czech: "Democracy has its faults, because people have their faults. Like owner, like store."). He regularly described democracy as "a discussion".
The " tyrannical collective ".. and the term " republic " has been around way before Franklin.
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government was ordained by God. It isn't government that's the problem. It's humanity. A corrupt cop isn't corrupt bc of government which God created but because he is a sinner. He is flawed. Peaceful protests are great. Letters to your cobreeds men are great but until we get to the root of the problem nothing will change.
Also, some of your comments lead me to believe you have a little but if an anarchist mentality which is far from what scripture supports.
Also, some of your comments lead me to believe you have a little but if an anarchist mentality which is far from what scripture supports.
It is.. I can assure along with a sinful country, maybe you don't know the definition of big gov. Let me get that for you...
Big government - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Big government - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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I agree with you here Ken. But it is difficult to help those who keep shooting themselves in the foot. It is just common sense not to verbally or physically challenged the authority who are here to protect us. In a way, physically challenging the police can be seen as a form of suicide since many of these cops are not properly trained to deal with people with mental illnesses and etc.
And sadly, many bad cops are protected by the police unions. The best way to get rid of these cops is on the federal level and most true victims of police brutality (minorities) won't do the necessary paperwork to get the feds' attention.
In Denver 6 bad police officers were fired after being investigated by the feds for excessive police brutality that the police union had covered up for years. Local residents & activist groups went through the process to get rid of them. Most minorities who are victims just roll over and play dead. I am referring to those who are truly victims of police brutality and not those who provoke, instigate and bait the police into entrapments.
If the paperwork isn't done then the feds are unlikely to get involved.
And sadly, many bad cops are protected by the police unions. The best way to get rid of these cops is on the federal level and most true victims of police brutality (minorities) won't do the necessary paperwork to get the feds' attention.
In Denver 6 bad police officers were fired after being investigated by the feds for excessive police brutality that the police union had covered up for years. Local residents & activist groups went through the process to get rid of them. Most minorities who are victims just roll over and play dead. I am referring to those who are truly victims of police brutality and not those who provoke, instigate and bait the police into entrapments.
If the paperwork isn't done then the feds are unlikely to get involved.
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Scripture takes an entirely different view of governing authority, which view should be the Christian's view.
Keep in mind that Nero, the murderer of Christians, was the authority when Ro 13 was written.
For it is better to have Nero, than no governing authority at all, which is anarchy.
And those who would reduce enforcement of the law because it is not done perfectly, are blind
to the disastrous outcome of their foolish thinking.
The solution is more good law enforcement, not less enforcement of the law.
And if by "of God," you mean not established by God, Scripture disagrees with you.
"The authorities that exist have been established by God.
Consequently, he who rebels against the authority (established by God) is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
. . .For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid for he does not bear the sword (God's authority to execute) for nothing.
He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer." (Ro 13:1-2, 4)
The problem is not what God has instituted, the problem is unbelief that "he who rebels against authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. . .for he does not bear the sword in vain."
What we are seeing is the truth of God's word in Ro 13:4--bringing judgment on oneself for rebelling against what God has instituted.
Only if God were contrary to his people, which he is not.
There is no NT prohibition of capital punishment and, therefore, no sin to share in that regard.
On the contrary, Ro 13:1-2, 4 is just the opposite,
it establishes capital punishment (v.4) as instituted by God, as in the OT.
We must obey our governing authorities in everything except in that which requires personal sinful action on one's part.
I know of no such law in our code.
Scripture is not authored by human "common sense," but by God's wisdom and authority.
However, it seems you seek to interpret it according to your personal "common sense,"
rather than according to what it clearly and authoritatively states.
Ro 13:1-2, 4 couldn't be any clearer about the Christian's obligation to obey the governing authority because it has been instituted by God, and to rebel against it is to rebel against what God himself has instituted.
Your problem is not lack of information nor lack of a Biblical mandate.
It suggests blindness and/or unbelief.
Keep in mind that Nero, the murderer of Christians, was the authority when Ro 13 was written.
For it is better to have Nero, than no governing authority at all, which is anarchy.
And those who would reduce enforcement of the law because it is not done perfectly, are blind
to the disastrous outcome of their foolish thinking.
The solution is more good law enforcement, not less enforcement of the law.
And if by "of God," you mean not established by God, Scripture disagrees with you.
"The authorities that exist have been established by God.
Consequently, he who rebels against the authority (established by God) is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
. . .For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid for he does not bear the sword (God's authority to execute) for nothing.
He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer." (Ro 13:1-2, 4)
The problem is not what God has instituted, the problem is unbelief that "he who rebels against authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. . .for he does not bear the sword in vain."
What we are seeing is the truth of God's word in Ro 13:4--bringing judgment on oneself for rebelling against what God has instituted.
Only if God were contrary to his people, which he is not.
There is no NT prohibition of capital punishment and, therefore, no sin to share in that regard.
On the contrary, Ro 13:1-2, 4 is just the opposite,
it establishes capital punishment (v.4) as instituted by God, as in the OT.
We must obey our governing authorities in everything except in that which requires personal sinful action on one's part.
I know of no such law in our code.
Scripture is not authored by human "common sense," but by God's wisdom and authority.
However, it seems you seek to interpret it according to your personal "common sense,"
rather than according to what it clearly and authoritatively states.
Ro 13:1-2, 4 couldn't be any clearer about the Christian's obligation to obey the governing authority because it has been instituted by God, and to rebel against it is to rebel against what God himself has instituted.
Your problem is not lack of information nor lack of a Biblical mandate.
It suggests blindness and/or unbelief.
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K
I see where you are trying to go with this, and I can explain this to.
The scriptures that you posted by no means shows that in the list of all sins that a person can commit some are greater than others. There is one sin that is greater than others, and that is denying Him and not following His teachings. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
This is why Jesus said to Pilate those who delivered Him have greater sin, because they denied Him for who He was.
The other scriptures were about standing before the great white judgment throne, when all the nations are judged at the end. There is worse punishment issued out for how bad one lived their life, the more evil one did the harsher the punishment. ( Not about individual sins being worse then others, it is the combination of one's full life. )
Then the scripture you gave from 2 Peter 2:20-21 is about those who became partakers in Christ, but then turned their back to the Lord and went back to living an ungodly life. Peter says it would have been better if they never knew the truth, because by not even knowing who Jesus was so that they could never follow Him they could be burnt up immediately without prolonged pain and torment for no belief in Him. But because they did know the truth, and then turned their back to Him to live an ungodly life in sin they will have prolonged punishment for purposely denying Him.
James is saying in 4:17 that if you know what is proper to do, but refuse to do it, then it is sin. Yes that is right.
This means that for instance we know it is right to get baptized because our Lord commanded it, yet some will try to teach you it is not needed or does not use water any more in baptism. Nowhere in the bible does it say water was omitted from baptism, so those who refuse to be baptized are in sin.
This also applies to if you see a person in need because of persecution, homeless, and/or hungry and you know by the bible we are suppose to help them but you refuse to help then you are in sin.
Jesus did not teach one sin worse then another, He only said one sin is greater than others. ( Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit )
He made a point that all other sins in His eye are equal and cause enmity to God. He showed this by saying hatred is murder, lust in the heart is adultery, and when He talked to the crowd in Luke 13 on questioning Him about some they said committed worse sins then others. Jesus answer them by saying do you believe these were worse sinners then them;
Luke 13:3
I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.
He was clearly saying if you believe your sins are worse then another, then you are wrong and will perish in the lake of fire if you don't repent of yours to.
Then you bring up a serial murderer coming into a person's house and raping and killing their daughter. They have sinned against you and your household, now what does Jesus say about that when somebody sins against you. He says this;
[h=1]Matthew 6:14-15
For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.[/h]He clearly says here that if you do not forgive them, there will be no forgiveness for yours, and you have to be forgiven of your sins to receive eternal life. ( Salvation ) There is never anywhere in scripture that says you have to forgive them unless they do this or that. He forgives us of all sins, and tells us we are to show that same love and mercy to others.
Matthew 9:13
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Now I know this is hard to swallow for some, but it is what the Lord request of us to do. Not put them to death, but forgive them and have mercy on their souls by ministering to them to try and bring them to repentance.
My head does match my heart which is why I think spiritually, and not worldly. Yes when I thought worldly I was the same way thinking all these people should die, and supported the death penalty. After getting into the Word of God, and studying what the Lord said compared to ministering in the prison system and seeing the corruption that goes on. I could no longer support the death penalty at all.
For our Lord said we are to show love and forgiveness to all, just like He showed to us. I was saved from death for being a sinner, why would I not want to try and help save another from their sins. That and like I always said, to the one who is being put to death; There is no love, forgiveness, mercy, or compassion toward them in that, which is what our Lord said we are to have for them.
This is why I will never waver from my stance on the death penalty, because those are the words of our Lord.
( Love, forgiveness, mercy, compassion, minister to them for repentance )
