Elin: Relevance?
Brainfreeze: this means he has rights just like you " due process " (post #431)
Elin: What due process did he not receive?
Elin: Nothing like minimizing crime. It's about more than just a "single cigarette."
are you saying he deserved what he got here ? and how do you know they were stolen ? Down here in the south, cigs are about 5.00 a pack.. In New York they can sometimes be 15.00 a pack.. are you saying it's impossible for him to get a few cartons from the south and sell them in the north, or are you just unaware of this ?
So the seller was in a position to go to the South to purchase cigarettes?
Elin: First of all, it means they were stolen, for if the seller had purchased them, he would not be selling them for the same price he paid for them, but for a markup, and the buyer would do better buying them at the store. The buyer purchases them from the seller because they are cheaper than the store; i.e., they are stolen.
Again no proof...
Elin: It's all part of the larger problem of theft of property.
Now you just gave this man a new charge.. Kind of slandering .. May God forgive you
Your piety is noted.
Elin: Without knowing the background of the situation, whether the man had already been arrested for selling cigarettes, whether the officer saw him selling them at the time, whether the man was telling the truth in his denial of selling them, you cannot make an informed judgment of the actual situation.
none of this matters that you mentioned.. If he was a violent criminal maybe... But I'm sure that would've came out already on top of all the protest... From what I seen was more then enough to make a righteous judgment.. Cop was wrong here
Right, because it all could have been avoided if the man had raised his hands instead of resisting,
particularly when he knew of his own health condition.
Elin: All that can be done is address the principles involved--enforcement or non-enforcement of the law against theft,
again, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THEFT... His charge would have been selling a loose cigarette with no license or tax..
And again, it all could have been avoided if he had not resisted and just raised his hands so that no altercation would have been necessary, particularly in light of his own knowledge of his health condition.