100 Percent Proof that there is No Rapture
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Thats not true at all. I am not assuming anything.
Jesus returns for the sake of the elect (his children) because if he did not. there would be non left.
Not to mention. He also promises to procect Israel, who will all be saved.
Do you even read the bible? Why do you think God sent the flood. and only 8 were saved. Only 8 received Gods word and received.
You need to study more my friend.
Jesus returns for the sake of the elect (his children) because if he did not. there would be non left.
Not to mention. He also promises to procect Israel, who will all be saved.
Do you even read the bible? Why do you think God sent the flood. and only 8 were saved. Only 8 received Gods word and received.
You need to study more my friend.
Re: The Rapture Could Be Now!
Really??? Zero Post Trib verses???
Let's see if you can follow the chronological order within Matthew 24:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]“Immediately after the tribulation of those days...
...and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. [SUP]31 [/SUP]And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds...
Were you able to follow the order??
How about here?
2 Thes 2:
Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him...
for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed...
Did you locate it here?? Concerning the coming of Jesus (that day) will not come unless... the man of sin is revealed.
How about here?
Dan 7:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]“I was watching; and the same horn was making war against the saints, and prevailing against them, [SUP]22 [/SUP]until the Ancient of Days came, and a judgment was made in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came for the saints to possess the kingdom.
What do we have here? Satan waging war (Great Tribulation) against the Saints and prevailing UNTIL when???
There are three very clear passages locating the timing as AFTER the Tribulation. So, I ask again, give me one passage that locates it before.
Really??? Zero Post Trib verses???
Let's see if you can follow the chronological order within Matthew 24:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]“Immediately after the tribulation of those days...
...and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. [SUP]31 [/SUP]And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds...
Were you able to follow the order??
How about here?
2 Thes 2:
Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him...
for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed...
Did you locate it here?? Concerning the coming of Jesus (that day) will not come unless... the man of sin is revealed.
How about here?
Dan 7:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]“I was watching; and the same horn was making war against the saints, and prevailing against them, [SUP]22 [/SUP]until the Ancient of Days came, and a judgment was made in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came for the saints to possess the kingdom.
What do we have here? Satan waging war (Great Tribulation) against the Saints and prevailing UNTIL when???
There are three very clear passages locating the timing as AFTER the Tribulation. So, I ask again, give me one passage that locates it before.
Re: The Rapture Could Be Now!
The Tribulation is NOT called God's Wrath. It is called the Great Tribulation. The Great Tribulation Period is the 4th seal of Revelation 6. It is called the Great Tribulation for a reason and that reason is the saints are persecuted, deceived and killed by the bushel by Satan. God's wrath comes after the Tribulation and in response to it.
Jacob's trouble is not from God either. This is again Satan persecuting and killing Jews by the boat load. God does not kill his own. He allows it as He allows everything but it is Satan doing it. Do you think God was behind Hitler's slaughter of 6 million Jews??? If not, why would God be behind an even bigger slaughter by the Man of Sin (AKA by you as AntiChrist)?
Coming up in the air???? Sure, when God returns. But when does God return?? Any idea??
The Tribulation is NOT called God's Wrath. It is called the Great Tribulation. The Great Tribulation Period is the 4th seal of Revelation 6. It is called the Great Tribulation for a reason and that reason is the saints are persecuted, deceived and killed by the bushel by Satan. God's wrath comes after the Tribulation and in response to it.
Jacob's trouble is not from God either. This is again Satan persecuting and killing Jews by the boat load. God does not kill his own. He allows it as He allows everything but it is Satan doing it. Do you think God was behind Hitler's slaughter of 6 million Jews??? If not, why would God be behind an even bigger slaughter by the Man of Sin (AKA by you as AntiChrist)?
Coming up in the air???? Sure, when God returns. But when does God return?? Any idea??
Re: The Rapture Could Be Now!
Revelation is largely about the development and reign of the 7th Beast Empire (4th mentioned by Daniel). This Beast Empire is founded on the False Religion of Islam.
Fourth Seal: The Great Tribulation:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]When He opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature saying, “Come and see.” [SUP]8 [/SUP]So I looked, and behold, a pale horse. And the name of him who sat on it was Death, and Hades followed with him. And power was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, with hunger, with death, and by the beasts of the earth.
We then see the Martyred Saints killed during the Great Tribulation at the 5th Seal crying out for vengeance.
Fifth Seal: The Cry of the Martyrs:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. [SUP]10 [/SUP]And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” [SUP]11 [/SUP]Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.
We see from Mat 24 that the Tribulation is over.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
The above ties perfectly with the below from Rev 6.
Sixth Seal Beginning:
[SUP]12 [/SUP]I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood. [SUP]13 [/SUP]And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. [SUP]14 [/SUP]Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place.
Now here comes the Wrath of the Lamb...
Sixth Seal Continued: Wrath of the Lamb:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders[SUP],[/SUP] the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, [SUP]16 [/SUP]and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! [SUP]17 [/SUP]For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”
And why is the Lamb angry??? It isn't because He or His Father was putting the world through Great Tribulation slaughtering and killing their own believers. No, it's because Satan was doing this.
The Trumpets provide more detail about the Terrible BEAST empire. The Bowls provide more detail about God's Wrath which is poured out in response against Satan and his evil ISLAMIC (False Religion) Empire.
Revelation is largely about the development and reign of the 7th Beast Empire (4th mentioned by Daniel). This Beast Empire is founded on the False Religion of Islam.
Fourth Seal: The Great Tribulation:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]When He opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature saying, “Come and see.” [SUP]8 [/SUP]So I looked, and behold, a pale horse. And the name of him who sat on it was Death, and Hades followed with him. And power was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, with hunger, with death, and by the beasts of the earth.
We then see the Martyred Saints killed during the Great Tribulation at the 5th Seal crying out for vengeance.
Fifth Seal: The Cry of the Martyrs:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. [SUP]10 [/SUP]And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” [SUP]11 [/SUP]Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.
We see from Mat 24 that the Tribulation is over.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
The above ties perfectly with the below from Rev 6.
Sixth Seal Beginning:
[SUP]12 [/SUP]I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood. [SUP]13 [/SUP]And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. [SUP]14 [/SUP]Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place.
Now here comes the Wrath of the Lamb...
Sixth Seal Continued: Wrath of the Lamb:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders[SUP],[/SUP] the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, [SUP]16 [/SUP]and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! [SUP]17 [/SUP]For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”
And why is the Lamb angry??? It isn't because He or His Father was putting the world through Great Tribulation slaughtering and killing their own believers. No, it's because Satan was doing this.
The Trumpets provide more detail about the Terrible BEAST empire. The Bowls provide more detail about God's Wrath which is poured out in response against Satan and his evil ISLAMIC (False Religion) Empire.
If you had followed the other thread you would know that the writings I am referring to were written "Before" there was a Catholic Church. The Catholic Church wasn't even a thought when these writings were written. However, it is amazing how many modern Christians seem to think the early Christians were all wrong but somehow modern Christians couldn't possibly be wrong. Actually, you'd be surprised at just how much Catholic theology you actually believe that is not part of the Christian faith.
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2 Corinthians 11:3 | Read whole chapter | See verse in context But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
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It amazes me that some will cherry pick what parts of the "ancients" fit their "cause" and use it despite the clarity one can find in the scripture itself.
Some say "nowhere did the early church teach/ascribe to a pretrib rapture".
many have shown this to be reckless desperation.
It goes beyond that,in the modern display of new errors that are simply resurrected old error of the early church.
I can easily defend the pretrib rapture without the mental baggage of the first churches falacy that they saw the AC in ad 70 when Jerusalem fell. (birthing the "historicist" erroneous viewpoint ) illustrating how the safe haven of ancient minds is actually shaky ground.
And ,yes,we should ask ourselves at this point "how many writings of the early church that believed in the biblical account of a pretrib rapture were in fact burned along with their writers"?
Catholics to this day also falsely cite the "writings of the ancients were postrib"(mcdonald,lahaye and other non issue wackyness).....which BTW is no coincidence.
Some say "nowhere did the early church teach/ascribe to a pretrib rapture".
many have shown this to be reckless desperation.
It goes beyond that,in the modern display of new errors that are simply resurrected old error of the early church.
I can easily defend the pretrib rapture without the mental baggage of the first churches falacy that they saw the AC in ad 70 when Jerusalem fell. (birthing the "historicist" erroneous viewpoint ) illustrating how the safe haven of ancient minds is actually shaky ground.
And ,yes,we should ask ourselves at this point "how many writings of the early church that believed in the biblical account of a pretrib rapture were in fact burned along with their writers"?
Catholics to this day also falsely cite the "writings of the ancients were postrib"(mcdonald,lahaye and other non issue wackyness).....which BTW is no coincidence.
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Then you are left with other undefendable options,which to me are not viable options.
factor in the bride/ groom ingredient and the FACT that AC kills every human on the planet refusing the mark,plus the times of the gentiles being fulfilled........just to name a few that are off the table for some strange reason
factor in the bride/ groom ingredient and the FACT that AC kills every human on the planet refusing the mark,plus the times of the gentiles being fulfilled........just to name a few that are off the table for some strange reason