"Prayer Won't Change Things. Only Money Will."
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I am wondering if by any chance you just read the title of the thread and not the actual posts that have been made? No one is questioning the Sovereignty or Almighty Power of God. However, God has also put power in the hands of His people through the choices that they make and what they choose to do with their resources.
And sickness is not always due to sin (copied from another page from the book of John):
Jesus Heals a Man Born Blind
9 As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. [SUP]2 [/SUP]His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”
[SUP]3 [/SUP]“Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, “but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him."
However, we all know that not all people are chosen to be healed.
But, we can all do our part to make sure that as many get healed as possible.
And sickness is not always due to sin (copied from another page from the book of John):
Jesus Heals a Man Born Blind
9 As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. [SUP]2 [/SUP]His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”
[SUP]3 [/SUP]“Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, “but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him."
However, we all know that not all people are chosen to be healed.
But, we can all do our part to make sure that as many get healed as possible.
G
You have two kinds of faith:
We have to have seeing faith then we will understand God’s will and we will see miracles in our lives. Yes money can cure your illness but so can YHWH Rapha – seeing faith.
Hope I am making sense?
- Blind faith – this is when I stand on a cliff blind folded and my wife tells me to jump because there is water for me to jump in
- Seeing faith – this is the faith Moses had when he stood in front of the sea with Israel. Have you ever done a proper Bible study on this peace? When Israel stood in front of the sea they started to panic and God said Moses (freely translated): “why are my children shouting at me? Move”
We have to have seeing faith then we will understand God’s will and we will see miracles in our lives. Yes money can cure your illness but so can YHWH Rapha – seeing faith.
Hope I am making sense?
Thank you too sister, I think this is a very good subject to talk and think about. I am sorry for the hardship this life and world have put you through as well. It did sound like, from the little bit you mentioned, that you've been through more than your share as well. This wreak did break me, but I needed to be broken my pride ruled me then, even as a "proclaiming Christian" my pride was bigger than God to me. It wasn't until I fell to the rock bottom that He came and picked me back up. The first couple years following the accident this injury did make me want to die so bad every second of every day, after being saved I pray thanks for it because of who it lead me too. I'm sure you can relate to that, these hardships are what mold and temper us, they make us who we are. Thanks again for the topic.
Acts
3 Now Peter and John were going up into the temple at the hour of prayer, being the ninth hour.
2 And a certain man that was lame from his mother's womb was carried, whom they laid daily at the door of the temple which is called Beautiful, to ask alms of them that entered into the temple;
3 who seeing Peter and John about to go into the temple, asked to receive an alms.
4 And Peter, fastening his eyes upon him, with John, said, Look on us.
5 And he gave heed unto them, expecting to receive something from them.
6 But Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but what I have, that give I thee. In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, walk.
3 Now Peter and John were going up into the temple at the hour of prayer, being the ninth hour.
2 And a certain man that was lame from his mother's womb was carried, whom they laid daily at the door of the temple which is called Beautiful, to ask alms of them that entered into the temple;
3 who seeing Peter and John about to go into the temple, asked to receive an alms.
4 And Peter, fastening his eyes upon him, with John, said, Look on us.
5 And he gave heed unto them, expecting to receive something from them.
6 But Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but what I have, that give I thee. In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, walk.
J
first of all, money won't help dibets or any other --- for over 50 years (since 1950), 'they' have quashed the known and PROVEN methods that work already BECAUSE (they admit!) they cannot PATENT THEM!
for anything, seek and keep on seeking. don't give up. and especially do not trust the gov or phrmk which deceives the whole world.
for instance, the most famous (to me anyway) and respected doctor in britain published a whistle-blowing expose a few years ago
that should have been headline news all over the world. there are no so-called genetic illnesses - these were 'made up'(that is, called genetic instead of the truth)
to cover up that they are ALL caused by immuniztions .... this was proven countless times, and quashed by the world system and forces you don't eveen want to know about.
the other simpler things, no problem with 95% of them, including most cases dibetes. type 1 is difficult because all the money spent to cover it up , btw - mostly pray pray pray, because even if you find out the truth, you will have a hard time finding a health care professional to help due to liability (the doctrs that cure people are fired / arrested/ lose their license/ and are run out of the country (most famous : linus pauling, dr.shutes. hulda clarke, carey reams, and many others...)
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seek pray pray seek trust GOD, do not trust men.
for anything, seek and keep on seeking. don't give up. and especially do not trust the gov or phrmk which deceives the whole world.
for instance, the most famous (to me anyway) and respected doctor in britain published a whistle-blowing expose a few years ago
that should have been headline news all over the world. there are no so-called genetic illnesses - these were 'made up'(that is, called genetic instead of the truth)
to cover up that they are ALL caused by immuniztions .... this was proven countless times, and quashed by the world system and forces you don't eveen want to know about.
the other simpler things, no problem with 95% of them, including most cases dibetes. type 1 is difficult because all the money spent to cover it up , btw - mostly pray pray pray, because even if you find out the truth, you will have a hard time finding a health care professional to help due to liability (the doctrs that cure people are fired / arrested/ lose their license/ and are run out of the country (most famous : linus pauling, dr.shutes. hulda clarke, carey reams, and many others...)
..
seek pray pray seek trust GOD, do not trust men.
I would hope that from reading the other posts made here, you would discern that this thread was never about the love of money.
It's about the fact that in real life, money does indeed play a factor.
As I stated before, when the adoption agency called my parents and said they had a baby available and would they be interested, my parents surely prayed.
But prayer alone did not bring them their children. If they had not had the money to pay the fees, we would have never been adopted, plain and simple. Back then, it cost about $2500. Nowadays an international adoption is around $30,000+. I know many families who would love to adopt, but obviously can't due to lack of finances.
Again, please keep in mind this thread is not about the love of money. Please read the posts here first. The idea behind it is the role that money and what we choose to do with it in the context of following God's will.
It's about the fact that in real life, money does indeed play a factor.
As I stated before, when the adoption agency called my parents and said they had a baby available and would they be interested, my parents surely prayed.
But prayer alone did not bring them their children. If they had not had the money to pay the fees, we would have never been adopted, plain and simple. Back then, it cost about $2500. Nowadays an international adoption is around $30,000+. I know many families who would love to adopt, but obviously can't due to lack of finances.
Again, please keep in mind this thread is not about the love of money. Please read the posts here first. The idea behind it is the role that money and what we choose to do with it in the context of following God's will.
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J
yes, i realize that this thread is not about love of money for 'posters',
but what is rough to grasp for most is that the phrmk is not even trying to help people. their only goal is profit. sheer greed.
whenever i see a 'pink' watchamagidget /clothes/etc for 'cure cancer FUNDING' i ask them if they know cancer WAS CURED already, (and SOME of them admit YES, they know that).
so many available sources to be cured are available, of almost any disease. but the 'official' establishment is AGAINST EVEN ALLOWING curing anyone. (churches included- pastors have told me repeatedly that it would RUIN THE ECONOMY to tell people the truth !?!?).
christianforums dots net and com are very much against posts that admit the cures, and delete them. they ate not christian forums in any way - for too many other reasons, btw.
and how much money goes to those who are curing people ? small fractions of what is being given to the liars who won't even admit curing people is not just possible, it is usually 'easy' .... and has been for a hundred years plus....
billions, even trillions, are wasted every year supporting phrmk and other 'approved' profitmongers, thinking there is some good there. there is not. they steal peoples health and wealth and take away well-being. it is ingrained in and throughout the system and society.
compare the cost of usually fatal treatment(that doesn't usually work) for Luke E. Mia: over $100,000.00.... over 1 or 2 years of suffering with it... loss of home and job etc...
compare the available(still) natural help costs that always works> about $35. sometimes up to $3500.00 100%. no hair loss. no suffering from the treatment. no job loss. no financial bankruptcy.
so, yes
where it is wise to put the money? with the posining of america; or the healing ? that is a good question.
btw. all of this is proven, by many thousands of doctors, and hundreds of thousands or even millions of people who have been healed by nutrition, without drugs ever needed (very rarely helpful anyway).
realize, treating or preventing disease( in a way that is inexpensive and that works) in the usa is forbidden by federal law having been put into law by the phrmk in the 40's and 50's.
seek, pray, trust Yahweh(God). phrmk is anti-truth. (Revelation 18 or 19: "phrmk will deceive the whole world" and they have).
but what is rough to grasp for most is that the phrmk is not even trying to help people. their only goal is profit. sheer greed.
whenever i see a 'pink' watchamagidget /clothes/etc for 'cure cancer FUNDING' i ask them if they know cancer WAS CURED already, (and SOME of them admit YES, they know that).
so many available sources to be cured are available, of almost any disease. but the 'official' establishment is AGAINST EVEN ALLOWING curing anyone. (churches included- pastors have told me repeatedly that it would RUIN THE ECONOMY to tell people the truth !?!?).
christianforums dots net and com are very much against posts that admit the cures, and delete them. they ate not christian forums in any way - for too many other reasons, btw.
and how much money goes to those who are curing people ? small fractions of what is being given to the liars who won't even admit curing people is not just possible, it is usually 'easy' .... and has been for a hundred years plus....
billions, even trillions, are wasted every year supporting phrmk and other 'approved' profitmongers, thinking there is some good there. there is not. they steal peoples health and wealth and take away well-being. it is ingrained in and throughout the system and society.
compare the cost of usually fatal treatment(that doesn't usually work) for Luke E. Mia: over $100,000.00.... over 1 or 2 years of suffering with it... loss of home and job etc...
compare the available(still) natural help costs that always works> about $35. sometimes up to $3500.00 100%. no hair loss. no suffering from the treatment. no job loss. no financial bankruptcy.
so, yes
where it is wise to put the money? with the posining of america; or the healing ? that is a good question.
btw. all of this is proven, by many thousands of doctors, and hundreds of thousands or even millions of people who have been healed by nutrition, without drugs ever needed (very rarely helpful anyway).
realize, treating or preventing disease( in a way that is inexpensive and that works) in the usa is forbidden by federal law having been put into law by the phrmk in the 40's and 50's.
seek, pray, trust Yahweh(God). phrmk is anti-truth. (Revelation 18 or 19: "phrmk will deceive the whole world" and they have).
J
amein.
realize, in the Bible, Yahweh(God) the Creator gives explicit instructions to HIS people with a Promise (about protecting them and about NOT putting any disease on them that afflict all those around them).
this is repeated many times.
a pastor (Josephson i think's his name) in kansas recently was treated by doctors for cancer, the doctors who charge A LOT OF MONEY,
and they told him to go home, get his things in order, and get ready to die - he had about 3 to 6 months i think "they said".
about a year later, maybe more, he published a book "God's Key to Health and Happiness" (that's still available for about $17)
exposing the medical farce in the usa, the total falsehood of the medical system,
and how, by returning to GOD'S WORD, HE (A PASTOR) , was healed of an illness(cancer) declared terminal by all the doctors and all the specialists. (this happens SO OFTEN, it isn't even funny!).
realize, in the Bible, Yahweh(God) the Creator gives explicit instructions to HIS people with a Promise (about protecting them and about NOT putting any disease on them that afflict all those around them).
this is repeated many times.
a pastor (Josephson i think's his name) in kansas recently was treated by doctors for cancer, the doctors who charge A LOT OF MONEY,
and they told him to go home, get his things in order, and get ready to die - he had about 3 to 6 months i think "they said".
about a year later, maybe more, he published a book "God's Key to Health and Happiness" (that's still available for about $17)
exposing the medical farce in the usa, the total falsehood of the medical system,
and how, by returning to GOD'S WORD, HE (A PASTOR) , was healed of an illness(cancer) declared terminal by all the doctors and all the specialists. (this happens SO OFTEN, it isn't even funny!).
Yeah.
All those words... and not a single lick of advice as to how to adopt a baby (legally) without money.
And, as I wrote in another post... additional advice would be needed as well on how to pay for the 4 surgeries that kept her from going blind.
Would I wanted to have risked going without them, trusting that God was going to give me a free miracle? Maybe He would have. But instead, He provided my father with a job, and a means to pay for the operations. And I'm glad I didn't have to take the "risk" of waiting for a miracle WITHOUT medical intervention. My eyesight today is testimony of something that God used money for. Would I have been miraculously healed if everyone would have just prayed for me? Possible. But highly unlikely.
I suppose it was all a conspiracy.
Jeff, please understand that in this forum, we try to have respectful, meaningful conversations and not just wild rants. I have asked you this before. Please read through the other posts to get the feel of the discussion before assuming and going off on a tangent.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have a waterslide to coast down...
All those words... and not a single lick of advice as to how to adopt a baby (legally) without money.
And, as I wrote in another post... additional advice would be needed as well on how to pay for the 4 surgeries that kept her from going blind.
Would I wanted to have risked going without them, trusting that God was going to give me a free miracle? Maybe He would have. But instead, He provided my father with a job, and a means to pay for the operations. And I'm glad I didn't have to take the "risk" of waiting for a miracle WITHOUT medical intervention. My eyesight today is testimony of something that God used money for. Would I have been miraculously healed if everyone would have just prayed for me? Possible. But highly unlikely.
I suppose it was all a conspiracy.
Jeff, please understand that in this forum, we try to have respectful, meaningful conversations and not just wild rants. I have asked you this before. Please read through the other posts to get the feel of the discussion before assuming and going off on a tangent.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have a waterslide to coast down...
Perhaps in the thread title you should have changed "money" to "action." "Love of money" aside, money is a resource, a means of storing up your effort in a form that can be used in many ways. And one can take action to effect changes in many ways other than by throwing money at a problem. I believe it was Catherder who posted the verses I was thinking about on page one, something about if you pray for someone who has a problem but you don't do anything to help him, it's of no use.
The original post was made due to a newsletter I'd read that specifically made the quote in the title, so I wanted to keep that phrase in the original title. However, looking back, I think I could have made a better connection between "action" and not just "money."
I suspect though that when people answer as with some of the previous posts, they've only read the title and glanced over the introductory post without really reading the ongoing discussion.
And yes, Catherder hit it on the head with the passage he quoted.
I suspect though that when people answer as with some of the previous posts, they've only read the title and glanced over the introductory post without really reading the ongoing discussion.
And yes, Catherder hit it on the head with the passage he quoted.
