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KENNETH...you teach you can loose salvation if you don't repent......answer the question please as you are like a politician tap dancing around the answer....
Originally Posted by dcontroversal
So, how long do you have Kenneth before you are separated and lost again after you sin....1 second, 10 seconds, 1 minute, 5 minutes, maybe a day?
PAY ATTENTION to the words "SO, HOW LONG DO YOU HAVE"
PAY ATTENTION to the words "SO, HOW LONG DO YOU HAVE"
K
You just don't like that translation because it coincides with what our Lord Jesus said a believer in Him will do.
Nowhere does He say you can believe in Him, and disobey His commands and be saved.
The other thing you keep doing is only using the second command to love our neighbors as ourselves, that is not the only commandment that has to be followed to fulfill the law. He said in these commandments, not this commandment.
And the only way you can follow the greatest commandment given by Him, is to be obedient to the rest that He taught and commanded.
And I do have a translation, for I have the KJ, NKJ, NLT, ESV, and a couple others I use. Then I also through study compare to other versions to see if how they change a scripture really changes the meaning or not.
And changing those who don't believe to those who do not obey does not change the meaning, for obedience is part of a believers walk. Disobedience throughout the bible is listed as sin, and classified as unbelief.
Nowhere does He say you can believe in Him, and disobey His commands and be saved.
The other thing you keep doing is only using the second command to love our neighbors as ourselves, that is not the only commandment that has to be followed to fulfill the law. He said in these commandments, not this commandment.
And the only way you can follow the greatest commandment given by Him, is to be obedient to the rest that He taught and commanded.
And I do have a translation, for I have the KJ, NKJ, NLT, ESV, and a couple others I use. Then I also through study compare to other versions to see if how they change a scripture really changes the meaning or not.
And changing those who don't believe to those who do not obey does not change the meaning, for obedience is part of a believers walk. Disobedience throughout the bible is listed as sin, and classified as unbelief.
M
That's twice friend you have tried to add to the scriptures in this discussion we have had on this issue...you know the commandment not to bear false witness? Do you think changing the words of the scriptures that are clear to something it clearly does not say is bearing false witness? Or do you really honor the law as you claim?
Yeah, well in order to be a Christian you have to be saved first and NO ONE IS SAYING NOT TO BE IMMERSED.....NOW to the name calling...I never called you a name as I asked YOU WHAT YOUR LAST NAME WAS....which is NOT calling names......!
MAKE disciples IE....saved children of GOD by faith through GRACE and then IMMERSE the SAVED DISCIPLE which is the 1st ACT of OBEDIENCE which does not save and is evidence and public testimony of faith and believe into the resurrection of JESUS!
MAKE disciples IE....saved children of GOD by faith through GRACE and then IMMERSE the SAVED DISCIPLE which is the 1st ACT of OBEDIENCE which does not save and is evidence and public testimony of faith and believe into the resurrection of JESUS!
K
But even Paul himself that the gospel he preaches can not be different then that of what was already preached.
Meaning he can not teach and preach differently then what was handed down original by the Lord Jesus before His crucifixion. He said clearly that if he, another apostle, teacher, preacher, or even one claiming to be an angel of God come preaching differently then what we have already heard from the Lord. Then what they bring is not from God.
M
have you read the scriptures before and after that? Ga 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
He said this right before he rebuked peter and all the others Apostles for straying from the truth of the gospel ..
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
He said this right before he rebuked peter and all the others Apostles for straying from the truth of the gospel ..
K
Yes I do know the commandment not to bear false witness, yet you just did it by claiming I am adding to the scriptures which I am not.
Where did I change it at, the word belief with obey. Well I have some eye opening news for you, for a believer is one who obeys. You can not be a believer and not obey, for He is not your Lord if you do not do what He says;
Luke 6:46-49
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock. But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.
One who hears only but does not do does not have salvation, for they are a disobedient servant.
And disobedience is called a sin of unbelief.
Where did I change it at, the word belief with obey. Well I have some eye opening news for you, for a believer is one who obeys. You can not be a believer and not obey, for He is not your Lord if you do not do what He says;
Luke 6:46-49
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock. But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.
One who hears only but does not do does not have salvation, for they are a disobedient servant.
And disobedience is called a sin of unbelief.
Why would the seed of Messiah keep Yahweh's Law and why would the adversary hate those who keep Yahweh's Laws if they were invalid?
Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."
Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."
K
Yes I have read those scriptures, that still does not change the fact that Paul can not preach different then what Jesus did.
Paul was a pharisee that persecuted and killed believers, it wasn't tell Jesus appeared to him and asked him why He was persecuting Him. Paul's doing bad to others, was doing bad to the Lord. Then the Lord sent Him to be baptized and commissioned to carry out the same gospel message to the gentiles, not another.
M
You don't get to change the words of the bible and then demand others accept your idea of why you changed it to what it clearly does not say and then pretend you uphold Gods law not to bear false witness... Its a lie to change words in the bible to that which it does not say...its not a matter of translation from the Greek to the English its a bold attempt to change the truth of the gospel from grace to works.