Does Acts 2:38 mean we have to be baptized to get into Heaven? -Debate

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I don't reject grace through faith, I love what the Lord my God did for me.
The thing is I am not deceived as I also know that like James said that faith is dead if it does not have works.
Anther misconception that you think and or believe about those who teach biblical salvation.....as NO ONE I KNOW who teaches salvation by faith dia grace teaches that we are not to do the biblical works that God would have us to do!
 

Jabberjaw

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Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

1Jo 3:23 ¶ And this is his commandment, (1) That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and (2) love one another, as he gave us commandment.
The law is not of faith....nothing profits but faith working by love...that's the gospel
Keep going:

John 15:14 (NKJV) You are My friends if you do whatever I command you.

Jesus told the "disciples" to make "disciples", he told the "disciples" to baptize.

Paul tells us there is one saving baptism :

Ephesians 4:5 (NKJV) one Lord, one faith, one baptism;

John the baptizer tells us he (a disciple) baptizes with water, and that Jesus is the ONLY one who can baptize with the Holy Spirit and with Fire :

Matthew 3:11 (NKJV) I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

Jesus tells the "disciples" to "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them", he did not tell the disciples "Go therefore and I will make disciples of all the nations baptizing them", he told the disciples to do the baptizing,

Matthew 28:19-20 (NKJV) [SUP]19 [/SUP] Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, [SUP]20 [/SUP] teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.

the ONLY baptism a disciple can do is "water baptism" (Matt 3:11), and since there is only 1 saving baptism (Eph 4:5) then water baptism is required for salvation.
 
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kennethcadwell

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Works of faith friend ...like rahab the harlot...not dead religious works to justify the flesh.

Nothing the Lord commanded is dead religious works.
The dead works is those of the mosaic law, by those who tried to keep those laws to be righteous that nobody could.
 
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Mitspa

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Yes I have read those scriptures, that still does not change the fact that Paul can not preach different then what Jesus did.
Paul was a pharisee that persecuted and killed believers, it wasn't tell Jesus appeared to him and asked him why He was persecuting Him. Paul's doing bad to others, was doing bad to the Lord. Then the Lord sent Him to be baptized and commissioned to carry out the same gospel message to the gentiles, not another.
Its says that He received it from Jesus ..and Jesus only gave us through the gospels certain understanding of His finished work on the Cross..but chose Paul to establish sound doctrines of His grace... The righteousness of faith and salvation in the Spirit is all revelation The Lord gave through Paul.
 

Jabberjaw

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Ga 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all,
Are you using this verse to imply Peter didn't have full understanding of "what they must do to be saved" on the day of Pentecost?
 
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jeff_peacemkr

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cost of dead works: 5 cents.

cost of living works: a life.
 
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Mitspa

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Nothing the Lord commanded is dead religious works.
The dead works is those of the mosaic law, by those who tried to keep those laws to be righteous that nobody could.
Have you heard of repentance from dead works? Of course works that attempt to justify the flesh, are dead works... Have you read the New Testament?
 
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jeff_peacemkr

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what does galatians 2:14 and context have to do with being saved ?

Are you using this verse to imply Peter didn't have full understanding of "what they must do to be saved" on the day of Pentecost?
 
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kennethcadwell

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Anther misconception that you think and or believe about those who teach biblical salvation.....as NO ONE I KNOW who teaches salvation by faith dia grace teaches that we are not to do the biblical works that God would have us to do!
That is all I keep saying though, and yet there are a few of you that keep debating with me.
If you believe that we are to do the biblical works that God would have us do, that He gave us through His Son. Then why do you and a few others keep debating with me when I say these are to be done?
Especially when Jesus says that those who love Him will keep and obey His commandments, and those who don't are disobedient and have no salvation. Disobedience in the bible is classified as a sin of unbelief.
 
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Mitspa

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Are you using this verse to imply Peter didn't have full understanding of "what they must do to be saved" on the day of Pentecost?
Well Im saying what He said he said by the Spirit...but the Spirit had not yet revealed the finished work of Christ ...that came later through Paul...this is quiet well understood among real bible teachers that have some time in study of the New testament.
 

Hizikyah

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Have you heard of repentance from dead works? Of course works that attempt to justify the flesh, are dead works... Have you read the New Testament?

Some random website, but its Scripture based;
[h=3]Dead works[/h] Now that we understand how the word works is used in the New Testament, we can analyze the expression “dead works.”
Clark’s Commentary defines dead works as “such works as deserve death—works of those who were dead in trespasses, and dead in sins, and dead by sentence of the law, because they had by these works broken the law” (emphasis added).
This comment agrees with Paul’s statement in Romans 6:23, “The wages of sin is death.” The apostle John defines sin: “Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness” (1 John 3:4). Sin is breaking God’s 10 Commandments and the penalty is everlasting death if the sinner refuses to repent of the sins.
Other versions of the Bible translate “repentance from dead works” in other ways, such as “repentance from acts that lead to death” (New International Version) and “repentance from the deeds which led to death” (J.B. Phillips New Testament).
[h=3]Repentance from dead works is ongoing[/h] Every human being, excluding Jesus Christ, has sinned. Paul writes, “For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23).
The apostle John warns Christians: “If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us” (1 John 1:8-10).
Therefore, due to sin, everyone has “dead works” that must be repented of and forgiven by God. Dead works (ineffectual and vain works) preceded conversion. Works that lead to death must be continually repented of and overcome after conversion.

Repentance From Dead Works - Life, Hope & Truth
 
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jeff_peacemkr

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interesting context, btw:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]“We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles
 
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kennethcadwell

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Have you heard of repentance from dead works? Of course works that attempt to justify the flesh, are dead works... Have you read the New Testament?

Yes I have, but this has nothing to do with the righteous spiritual works out of love that we are to do as believers.
Repentance of dead works applies to the works of the law ( mosaic law ), and of works of the flesh ( sinful nature ).
 
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elf3

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Jesus did not need remission of sins, for He was sin free.
This was done as our Lord Jesus put it, for us to fulfill all righteousness.....
Yep God's righteousness. Matthew 5:20 "For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven". How? Through faith in Jesus.
 

Hizikyah

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Well Im saying what He said he said by the Spirit...but the Spirit had not yet revealed the finished work of Christ ...that came later through Paul...this is quiet well understood among real bible teachers that have some time in study of the New testament.
So are you saying the Messiah "the one we must hear and obey" did not have the full message?
 
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Mitspa

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what does galatians 2:14 and context have to do with being saved ?
Well its more an issue of including the teachings of Paul in those things recorded in the early formation of the Church and doctrine.. One has to account Pauls gospel and epistles when one considers ANY truth of the bible.
 
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Mitspa

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So are you saying the Messiah "the one we must hear and obey" did not have the full message?
Lol you guys are funny ...no what I said (you can read) is that the gospel did not reveal the finished work of the Cross ..But the Lord chose to speak those things through Paul...sound doctrine came through Paul...the understanding of salvation and who we are in Christ...came through Paul...The gospel in its fullness...came through Paul.
 

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Well Im saying what He said he said by the Spirit...but the Spirit had not yet revealed the finished work of Christ ...that came later through Paul...this is quiet well understood among real bible teachers that have some time in study of the New testament.
It was the Spirit that did the talking, using Peters mouth :

Acts 2:4 (NKJV)
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
 
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kennethcadwell

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Well Im saying what He said he said by the Spirit...but the Spirit had not yet revealed the finished work of Christ ...that came later through Paul...this is quiet well understood among real bible teachers that have some time in study of the New testament.

No that comes from bible teachers that want to twist, change, and cancel out some of what Jesus taught and say does not apply any more.
Lord Jesus clearly said that what He came to do was finished at the cross, there is nothing more to add or take away from what He came to accomplish. So if baptism was still done in water during His ministry and commanded to continue, then Paul can not change that. And nowhere did Paul say it is obsolete now, and I will give a big formal apology to you if you can show where he canceled out baptism in water.
And 1 Corinthians does not do that, Paul is just saying that is not what his calling was for. This also does not mean others that were his co-workers in Christ were commissioned to baptize. For the scriptures does not say what they did for why Paul sent them before him, after him, or even came with him.
 

Hizikyah

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Lol you guys are funny ...no what I said (you can read) is that the gospel did not reveal the finished work of the Cross ..But the Lord chose to speak those things through Paul...sound doctrine came through Paul...the understanding of salvation and who we are in Christ...came through Paul...The gospel in its fullness...came through Paul.
SO what about the book of Revelation, is that a part of the Message too?