Does Acts 2:38 mean we have to be baptized to get into Heaven? -Debate

[kennethcadwell]

You just said that someone could be saved without being baptized, as long as they did not have time to be baptized. That completely contradicts your belief that baptism is necessary. You can not pick and choose when you believe baptism is necessary.

No that does not contradict my belief.
People like you think it does because you are not ready for the meat of the word, and I am trying to help you.
Jesus said He knows the hearts of man, and He will have mercy on who He will have mercy.
So by this if your heart was in the right place, and you died immediately after repentance not given you a chance to be baptized then I believe the Lord will have mercy on that person's soul. For that spiritual life and spiritual death decision is to be left up to Him, and not me.

However if you do have the chance to get baptized and even do the rest of the Lord's commands but you continue to not do them, that would be a direct disobedience to the Lord because He told you to......
Direct disobedience is a sin of unbelief, denial, a complete lack of love shown to the Lord.

The bible says that if you are disobedient to Him, you do not have salvation.

 

[dcontroversal]

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:18
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 3:36
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 6:47
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

You see the common theme in these and the other scriptures you gave, they all say believe !!!

Take that and then apply it to what the Lord Jesus Christ said it means to believe in Him, like I have tried to show all along.
Believing in Him does not mean just that He existed, died on the cross for our sins, and rose on the third day. Believing in Him also means you believe in what He said, and follow it. Your false exegesis of a belief only, and no obedience/works to follow is a dangerous teaching.
This is why Jesus says we will know them by their works, because one's works will be evident of if they are saved or not.


20 People can say they believe and are saved, but if only 5 of those when you see how they live shows their obedience to the Lord and the other 15 do not. Then you know only those 5 are saved, and the other 15 still need to be brought to repentance.
The scriptures also say do works worthy of repentance, meaning if you continue to do things contrary to God your repentance is not a true repentance and you are not saved.

Look Kenneth.....You believe the following which are false and contrary...

1. Salvation based upon works and water
2. You can loose your salvation
3. You contradict yourself as PrestonMatthew7 pointed out

You fail to make a stand on how one looses and then regains salvation by categorizing sin
You teach one can loose it, but YOU magically never have
You reject multitudes of scripture that teach salvation by grace dia faith into Jesus

The truth is that you still have too much baggage from your Catholic roots and you fail to listen to scripture in context, you twist what is said, you change the word and you are not open to learning and instruction which is what the bible teaches one will be if truly born again....

I will not cast out the word to be trampled under foot by you or your cronies...You can all follow your heretical doctrine straight to the pit....and unless you repent, open your eyes to the truth...it will not be good for you in the end!

 

[Jabberjaw]

Ok well from this response I can see that many of you on "the other side of the fence" as far as baptism goes are totally missing the point. Not only that but it seems that you believe I wouldn't speak of baptism to a "new" believer. I would tell them about baptism but I sure wouldn't tell them there salvation depended on it.

SALVA'TION, n. [L. salvo, to save.]
1. The act of saving; preservation from destruction, danger or great calamity.
2. Appropriately in theology, the redemption of man from the bondage of sin and liability to eternal death, and the conferring on him everlasting happiness. This is the great salvation.

Mark 16:16 (NKJV) He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.

 

[PrestonMatthew7]

I have never read that one who believes is not baptized will not be saved

 

[kennethcadwell]

Is a person declared righteous by faith, as the word says? Or by baptism?

A person is justified by works, along with faith. Not just faith alone, and they are declared righteous by walking in love.
When you walk in love, you will want to show that love and honor back to the Lord by obeying and following all of His teachings......
And baptism was one of those commands, so to cancel out or say don't need to do if you can would be a direct disobedience and lack of love for Him. If you want to say believe only, and nothing else needed then you can cancel out everything else the Lord said to.

Lord Jesus said you have to forgive others of their sins, or you will not be forgiven of yours.
This is another act He tells us we are to do, or we will not have eternal life. You have to be forgiven of your sins to have eternal life.

 

[Jabberjaw]

I have never read that one who believes is not baptized will not be saved

Because one who does not believe, cannot be baptized.

Mark 16:16 (NKJV) He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.

 

[Mitspa]

1Co 1:14 ¶ I thank God that I baptized none of you,

Paul thanks God for not baptizing people.... I wonder how anyone could really believe what some are trying to affirm on this thread?

 

[PrestonMatthew7]

A person is justified by works, along with faith. Not just faith alone, and they are declared righteous by walking in love.
When you walk in love, you will want to show that love and honor back to the Lord by obeying and following all of His teachings......
And baptism was one of those commands, so to cancel out or say don't need to do if you can would be a direct disobedience and lack of love for Him. If you want to say believe only, and nothing else needed then you can cancel out everything else the Lord said to.

Lord Jesus said you have to forgive others of their sins, or you will not be forgiven of yours.
This is another act He tells us we are to do, or we will not have eternal life. You have to be forgiven of your sins to have eternal life.

Romans 4:5 says "but to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness
You say a person is justified by works, this scripture says something completely different...

 

[kennethcadwell]

Look Kenneth.....You believe the following which are false and contrary...

1. Salvation based upon works and water
2. You can loose your salvation
3. You contradict yourself as PrestonMatthew7 pointed out

You fail to make a stand on how one looses and then regains salvation by categorizing sin
You teach one can loose it, but YOU magically never have
You reject multitudes of scripture that teach salvation by grace dia faith into Jesus

The truth is that you still have too much baggage from your Catholic roots and you fail to listen to scripture in context, you twist what is said, you change the word and you are not open to learning and instruction which is what the bible teaches one will be if truly born again....

I will not cast out the word to be trampled under foot by you or your cronies...You can all follow your heretical doctrine straight to the pit....and unless you repent, open your eyes to the truth...it will not be good for you in the end!

Peter, Paul, and John all say one can loose salvation if they do not continue in God's grace.

Jesus, Paul, and James all say that if no obedient works follow your faith then one is not saved.

I have shown you clear scriptural evidence that shows the difference between a believer who sins, and a believer who returns to willful sin. Galatians 5 for one Paul shows that we can fall from grace.

 

[Jabberjaw]

1Co 1:14 ¶ I thank God that I baptized none of you,

Paul thanks God for not baptizing people.... I wonder how anyone could really believe what some are trying to affirm on this thread?

You always leave the rest out:

1 Corinthians 1:14 (NKJV) I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius,

Paul thanks God for not having baptized certain people that would brag they were baptized by him... you know that, but deny it because it goes against your man made doctrine.

 

[dcontroversal]

Romans 4:5 says "but to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness
You say a person is justified by works, this scripture says something completely different...

Amen and another good point....they fail to understand the following premise

1. James is speaking of how a MAN with EYES can see the claimed faith of someone
2. Paul is speaking about how before GOD, who sees all, can render a man justified (legally innocent by faith)

They are blind to this and would rather trust into themselves than the actual words of God while being blinded by Satan and their own heretical religious religion!

 

[Mitspa]

You always leave the rest out:

1 Corinthians 1:14 (NKJV) I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius,

Paul thanks God for not having baptized certain people that would brag they were baptized by him... you know that, but deny it because it goes against your man made doctrine.

How could He thank God for leaving people unsaved if salvation was based on Baptism and Jesus Himself told him he did not send him to baptize but to preach the gospel. Because the gospel saves and baptism is not the gospel.

1Co 1:17 ¶ For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel

Two different things

 

[dcontroversal]

No that does not contradict my belief.
People like you think it does because you are not ready for the meat of the word,

HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHA that is a joke coming from you....In his first 4 or 5 posts has shown more wisdom in the truth than you have in the months that I have been seeing you write....That is funny coming from you for sure...I suggest you listen to him as YOU DID contradict yourself!

 

[Jabberjaw]

How could He thank God for leaving people unsaved if salvation was based on Baptism and Jesus Himself told him he did not send him to baptize but to preach the gospel. Because the gospel saves and baptism is not the gospel.

1Co 1:17 ¶ For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel

Two different things

Baptism is in the Gospel:

Acts 8:35-36 (NKJV) [SUP]35 [/SUP] Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning at this Scripture, preached Jesus to him. [SUP]36 [/SUP] Now as they went down the road, they came to some water. And the eunuch said, "See, here is water. What hinders me from being baptized?"

 

[kennethcadwell]

Romans 4:5 says "but to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness
You say a person is justified by works, this scripture says something completely different...

Read the whole chapter, for this is speaking of those who were walking according to the mosaic law.
If they tried to keep the whole law by their works, they are accounted to them as dept. But those who do not do the works of the law but walk in love to the Lord then their faith is accounted righteousness.
This is all about doing things out of love for Him, and not trying to earn salvation through the works of the law.
So this does not contradict what James said;

James 2:24
You see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

 

[dcontroversal]

How could He thank God for leaving people unsaved if salvation was based on Baptism and Jesus Himself told him he did not send him to baptize but to preach the gospel. Because the gospel saves and baptism is not the gospel.

1Co 1:17 ¶ For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel

Two different things

The truth is that people who reject faith over baptism and works will ride that wave of water all the way to hell as they have taken hook, line and sinker a gospel of heteros which has no power to save and or eternally seal and justify before God!

 

[Zifnab21]

Truly, Truly, I say unto you, HE THAT BELIEVETH ON ME hath everlasting LIFE <---NO where does Jesus say hear and DO to have everlasting life......HE said YOU believe you have everlasting life......Just like Satan in the garden, you guys ADD to the words of the LORD which makes who the deceivers?

Hath=to hold, to possess, possessed with

John 6:54, "Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day." (NIV) Jesus says you have to do something to get eternal life. [FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]controversial[/FONT] says "NO where does Jesus say hear and DO to have everlasting life." One is not like the other and if someone considers themselves a CHRISTian, then they have to accept Jesus' word and not the words of a man.

 

[dcontroversal]

Read the whole chapter, for this is speaking of those who were walking according to the mosaic law.
If they tried to keep the whole law by their works, they are accounted to them as dept. But those who do not do the works of the law but walk in love to the Lord then their faith is accounted righteousness.
This is all about doing things out of love for Him, and not trying to earn salvation through the works of the law.
So this does not contradict what James said;

James 2:24
You see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

More misapplication of James in ignorance.........

 

[Zifnab21]

You've got your theology right Kote.

 

[dcontroversal]

John 6:54, "Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day." (NIV) Jesus says you have to do something to get eternal life. controversial says "NO where does Jesus say hear and DO to have everlasting life." One is not like the other and if someone considers themselves a CHRISTian, then they have to accept Jesus' word and not the words of a man.

I suggest you study more as your Catholic stance towards the Lord's supper will not save.......!

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that BELIEVE!