Big Bang Biblical???

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Markus

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I've read the entire thread and I'd like to add a few things if I may.
Cako53, I know you don't agree with every detail of the big bang theory, but one aspect of the theory is that the stars formed before the earth did. It's not possible to have a big bang theory where the earth is formed before the stars. Yet, the bible tells us that God created the stars after he created the earth. So I think the bible actually does say that God did not use the big bang to create the universe. What's your opinion about this?

Kittykat, you're right about having read something about Hubble seeing stars being born, but that is not exactly what Hubble saw. Scientists just found an area in space which in their theory has the right properties to form new stars. The stars in that area are said to be young (according to their theory), but these newborn stars are still supposed to be millions of years old (again according to their theory). Fact is, scientists have really never seen a new star pop into existance out of a dust cloud. That's only happening in their minds. What I want to say is that it's quite important to seperate the actual facts from what scientists make of these facts. You have to be very carefull nowadays, because scientists tend to present things as facts, where it's really just their interpretation of those facts, often based on the wrong preassumptions.

And finally a question for greatkraw. You said that the physical universe is unarguably finite. Is that really true? I thought the size of the universe is unknown, because the distance we can see is limited.
 
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sword

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I don´t think the universe is expanding. It`s just turning around, just gyrating. Everything gyrates, galaxies, solar systems, even electrons. After all the average distances between the sun, the moon, and our planet, have not changed, right? So the expansion of the universe may be just an illusion.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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just a philosophy question: if the universe has a limit: what is outside it?
 
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Markus

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wwjd_kilden said:
just a philosophy question: if the universe has a limit: what is outside it?
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Nothing, not even empty space or a vacuum, just nothing. You can't even speak of an outside. Because it's not there. It doesn't exist. The border of the universe would be the border between everything physical that exists and non-existance. It feels even wrong to say nothing is outside it, because nothing is still something, namely nothing. Aaargh, you know what? I'll let someone else answer your question. ;)
 
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wwjd_kilden

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hehe, that sounds like what I usually end up thinking trying to figure that out
 
kittykatt

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Markus said:
Kittykat, you're right about having read something about Hubble seeing stars being born, but that is not exactly what Hubble saw. Scientists just found an area in space which in their theory has the right properties to form new stars. The stars in that area are said to be young (according to their theory), but these newborn stars are still supposed to be millions of years old (again according to their theory). Fact is, scientists have really never seen a new star pop into existance out of a dust cloud. That's only happening in their minds. What I want to say is that it's quite important to seperate the actual facts from what scientists make of these facts. You have to be very carefull nowadays, because scientists tend to present things as facts, where it's really just their interpretation of those facts, often based on the wrong preassumptions.
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Thank you for clearing that up. It's been a long time since I read about it. I looked it up before I posted, but only read the title of the article, when I should have reread the entire thing.
 
cookie39

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greatkraw said:
Anyone needs to look at a book called starlight and time.

In this theory it all started with water.

Interestingly Genesis backs this up.
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are you saved or do you read a bible? any bible? do you have any of God's word in you?

please don't be offended, I just want to know. because I don't remember you useing the Word of God to help anyone. not saying that you have not; I just don't remember seeing it.

some people will need that from you outside of christian web sites, here their are others who will when you don't, but what about those who you will come in contact with in your personal life?
 
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Graybeard

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greatkraw said:
2 Peter 3:10 But the Day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat. The earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Looks like it will end with a Big Bang (or pop)
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maybe.....then maybe God creates it all again:

2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness
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wwjd_kilden

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That would be cool
 
cookie39

cookie39

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well I did not read everone response, so if I repeat what someone else has said then I apologize.
you ask how did God create the earth,
First you have to have the heart toward God to know he is GOD. and he is pass finding out, he can not be compared to man. because; 1) He had no beginning and he will have no ending.
God can do what man can not even imagine to do. man want to explain away the things of God because they can see how MAN can create a world, therefore, they can not see how anyone could, but we know that at the time God created the earth he never was a man.

now to answer your question according to the Word of God, in Gensis 1, it said he created--- meaning he made it, just like when man make a new creation he uses his hands.....

The bible say God SPOKE IT. and it was so. in the book of Job 38....... God tell us what he did in a lot of the creation of the world.... how he SAID and it happened.
but we know that the Word say that man was formed from the dust of the earth and woman was from the rib of the man; all by God's own hands. and the animals too.
it does not matter how God did it all that matter is that we know it is God's work, and the bible say the work of his hands.

through the power of his Holy Spirit, and his amazing faith.
Genesis 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. (KJV)

the earth was created before we was, and no one can say for how long before God put man on the earth; that he created it. for Genesis never said that God has just created it but it was already there, but without form. but it does say that in the beginning God created the the earth... but does not say when was the beginning. all I say is that sceince try to do away with God and no matter what they can't.
 
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greatkraw

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cookie39 said:
are you saved or do you read a bible? any bible? do you have any of God's word in you?

please don't be offended, I just want to know. because I don't remember you useing the Word of God to help anyone. not saying that you have not; I just don't remember seeing it.

some people will need that from you outside of christian web sites, here their are others who will when you don't, but what about those who you will come in contact with in your personal life?
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go read my profile
 
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greatkraw

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Markus said:
Nothing, not even empty space or a vacuum, just nothing. You can't even speak of an outside. Because it's not there. It doesn't exist. The border of the universe would be the border between everything physical that exists and non-existance. It feels even wrong to say nothing is outside it, because nothing is still something, namely nothing. Aaargh, you know what? I'll let someone else answer your question. ;)
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If you take a cubic metre of space vaccuum which has NO physical particles in it at all; It still has a huge amount of energy. Take away that energy and the cubic metre of space ceases to exist at all.

There is only so much energy in the universe. God put that energy there.
 
MahogonySnail

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greatkraw to have energy you need mass and if there's no physical mass in that metre of vacuum there is no energy.
 
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greatkraw

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greatkraw said:
Anyone needs to look at a book called starlight and time.

In this theory it all started with water.

Interestingly Genesis backs this up.
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This book is a scholarly work by a Christian scientist.

It has all the Bible references you could ask for.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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greatkraw said:
If you take a cubic metre of space vaccuum which has NO physical particles in it at all; It still has a huge amount of energy
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I doubt you can have energy without mass, so that would be dark matter, I assume? But still mass
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. Take away that energy and the cubic metre of space ceases to exist at all.
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obviously, as there is nothing left
 
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greatkraw

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One other thing.

There are 2 ways of measuring time.

You have orbital time and atomic time. They do not agree with each other. Every year when the earth goes around the sun, a smaller number of atomic seconds ticks by. It has been finally conceded that the speed of light is slowing down.
 
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greatkraw

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wwjd_kilden said:
I doubt you can have energy without mass, so that would be dark matter, I assume? But still mass
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No, this is described as zero point energy. This is the starting point of space before you put matter into it. This has a huge impact on our concept of reality. I have heard of one scientist, who, when he grasped the implications, committed suicide.

What we think of as real is not as real as we imagine. We are left with the implication that real reality is the spiritual existence.

Chuck Missler has some great teaching on this.

www.khouse.org
goto 6640 and listen to lessons for free.:)
 
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wwjd_kilden

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hmmh.. I think my internet would lag too much

so what kind of energy did God out there?
 
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greatkraw

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wwjd_kilden said:
hmmh.. I think my internet would lag too much

so what kind of energy did God out there?
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They are only audio streaming files.

none of these YouTube stuff.

Energy is Energy
 
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wwjd_kilden

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hmm well

heat (radiation) is energy
movement is energy
fusion is energy

energy is still something more than just energy
 
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