Teen struggling with homosexuality.

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didymos

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Something else to consider: I want to switch this "removing homosexual desires" with something comparable that heterosexuals might "suffer" from...
There's a BIG difference between being attracted to someone and actually acting upon that feeling. We all have the 'wandering eye,' even when we're married. There's nothing you can do about it, it's just something you have to accept. Accepting it makes the whole issue less loaded, and allows you to tackle the problem in a mature way. Sure, you can appreciate other women when you're married, but watch out when that appreciation turns into attraction; keep your feelings in check.
True, homosexuals also have to deal with sinful desires, although they're of a different order. Some of my friends and collegues are gay, they told me you just can't turn off (or even cure) the attraction to persons of the same sex. I believe that a christian suffering from the same feelings should try to keep his feelings in check also. There's a similarity there with the 'wandering eye' of a married guy. There's a BIG difference between the attraction itself, and acting upon that feeling, which constitutes the ACTUAL sin. For straights that sin is adultery, for gays it's homosexual acts. At the same time I realize that life for a christian with homosexual feelings must be very hard. At least for a straight guy there's the option of marriage, of being in a affectionate relationship. For a homosexual there's no such option.
 
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There's a BIG difference between being attracted to someone and actually acting upon that feeling. We all have the 'wandering eye,' even when we're married. There's nothing you can do about it, it's just something you have to accept. Accepting it makes the whole issue less loaded, and allows you to tackle the problem in a mature way. Sure, you can appreciate other women when you're married, but watch out when that appreciation turns into attraction; keep your feelings in check.
True, homosexuals also have to deal with sinful desires, although they're of a different order. Some of my friends and collegues are gay, they told me you just can't turn off (or even cure) the attraction to persons of the same sex. I believe that a christian suffering from the same feelings should try to keep his feelings in check also. There's a similarity there with the 'wandering eye' of a married guy. There's a BIG difference between the attraction itself, and acting upon that feeling, which constitutes the ACTUAL sin. For straights that sin is adultery, for gays it's homosexual acts. At the same time I realize that life for a christian with homosexual feelings must be very hard. At least for a straight guy there's the option of marriage, of being in a affectionate relationship. For a homosexual there's no such option.
Correct. I too stated there is a difference between having the desire and acting on it. For this reason, I could not guarantee him or any other person with homosexual desires that his desire will cease to exist. What I did say I could guarantee is that it is 100% possible to have those desires but NOT act on them (online or physically). The difficulty level you mention is irrelevant to the message I said. I cannot compare which is more difficult as I have no idea what it is like to have homosexual desires. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter as we are commanded to NOT act on those desires. For this reason, comparing it to a man (me in this case) having desires for a woman other than his wife is appropriate and fair.
 
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didymos

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Correct. I too stated there is a difference between having the desire and acting on it. For this reason, I could not guarantee him or any other person with homosexual desires that his desire will cease to exist. What I did say I could guarantee is that it is 100% possible to have those desires but NOT act on them (online or physically). The difficulty level you mention is irrelevant to the message I said. I cannot compare which is more difficult as I have no idea what it is like to have homosexual desires. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter as we are commanded to NOT act on those desires. For this reason, comparing it to a man (me in this case) having desires for a woman other than his wife is appropriate and fair.

I just extrapolated on what you said. The 'diffeculty level' IS important. I mean, at least we have the option of marriage (1 Cor 7:9). That isn't an option for gays, which makes dealing with lust for them even harder.
 

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There's a BIG difference between being attracted to someone and actually acting upon that feeling. We all have the 'wandering eye,' even when we're married. There's nothing you can do about it, it's just something you have to accept. Accepting it makes the whole issue less loaded, and allows you to tackle the problem in a mature way. Sure, you can appreciate other women when you're married, but watch out when that appreciation turns into attraction; keep your feelings in check.
True, homosexuals also have to deal with sinful desires, although they're of a different order. Some of my friends and collegues are gay, they told me you just can't turn off (or even cure) the attraction to persons of the same sex. I believe that a christian suffering from the same feelings should try to keep his feelings in check also. There's a similarity there with the 'wandering eye' of a married guy. There's a BIG difference between the attraction itself, and acting upon that feeling, which constitutes the ACTUAL sin. For straights that sin is adultery, for gays it's homosexual acts. At the same time I realize that life for a christian with homosexual feelings must be very hard.
At least for a straight guy there's the option of marriage, of being in a affectionate relationship. For a homosexual there's no such option.
Hi didymos,

You made some very good points. Please keep in mind when you say, "At least for a straight guy there's the option of marriage, of being in a affectionate relationship. For a homosexual there's no such option" that this does not apply to born again Christians, who, by the power of the holy Spirit and understanding of God's Word, have victory over all fleshly desires, as Jesus said, "...He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for the prisoners (Isaiah 61:1 NIV.)

Although we live in the flesh, through Christ we have been set free from bondage to the flesh.:)
 
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maditaylor

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Hey Nick! If you need any help, you can message me! Usually when I feel a temptation of any kind I have a go-to person to talk to who has an idea of what I'm going through. They know what to do to get me talking and thinking about better things, like music or football! If you'd like to talk about anything, I'm all ears. :)
 
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didymos

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... Although we live in the flesh, through Christ we have been set free from bondage to the flesh.:)
That's an ideal to live up to, but Matthew 26:41. :)
 
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justin777

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I've struggled with the same thing. Work on your relationship with your father and find some good female friends if you gain a great respect for women and get close in your friendships with them than you should start to change slowly.

From my much research I've found theres two main possible reasons.

1. Damaged father relationship
2. Longing for love from men
3. Demon of homosexuality

Try rebuking the demon in Jesus name and see what happens.
 
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nixter

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Hey guys. Im 27 and going through the same issue. Anyone up to be my accountability and confession partner. This is not easy
 
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Also, brothers and sisters who suffer with this affliction, remember do not ask for its removal believing that "if" this were removed you'd be any closer to self sufficiency. I believe that most who are not freed of the affliction is because through it they rely on God even more so, and God's goal is not to free us from relying on Him, but to lead us to rely on Him for everything.
 
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justin777

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Hey guys. Im 27 and going through the same issue. Anyone up to be my accountability and confession partner. This is not easy
Yes message me
 
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No offense man but it should be someone much older and someone he recognizes as an authority in his life. Plus, it would help if he actually met with someone in person.
 
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didymos

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No offense man but it should be someone much older and someone he recognizes as an authority in his life. Plus, it would help if he actually met with someone in person.
PLUS: it should be someone who's NOT gay,
I'm sure he doesnt want to cause a brother to stumble.
 

Atwood

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Teen struggling with murder

Now whatever will we do about poor ol' Mackey, back in town now,
struggling with his urges to murder, which he cain't hep,
cause he was born thataway?

Oh yumsy wumsy, little ol sugar plumsy;
Oh sweetums weetums, little apple pie.
 

tourist

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Re: Teen struggling with murder

Now whatever will we do about poor ol' Mackey, back in town now,
struggling with his urges to murder, which he cain't hep,
cause he was born thataway?

Oh yumsy wumsy, little ol sugar plumsy;
Oh sweetums weetums, little apple pie.
How does this post you have written relate to the topic of this thread? Perhaps you should consider the Poetry forum. A rhyming dictionary would be a good investment and useful in sharpening your dreadful prose.
 
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Is it possible that one day, God may heal us of this fallen nature? Yes. Is it probable? That is up to God. For now, we must trust in Him, obey His statutes, and remain chaste. For we, meaning all of mankind, are meant truly for only ONE HUSBAND...Jesus Christ our Lord and King.
God says, He came that man may be free from the bondage of sin. Its what His death was all about and still He intercedes on our behalf in the heavenly courts. Absolutely we are free...When the Lord sets you free, you are free indeed. John 8:36 He is a Rewarder of them who diligently seek Him. Hebrews 11:6
 
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God says, He came that man may be free from the bondage of sin. Its what His death was all about and still He intercedes on our behalf in the heavenly courts. Absolutely we are free...When the Lord sets you free, you are free indeed. John 8:36 He is a Rewarder of them who diligently seek Him. Hebrews 11:6
Unless freedom would lead us into another heresy. Believe me, my affliction keeps me close to the arms of Christ, because I do not trust myself outside of them.
 

Atwood

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Also, brothers and sisters who suffer with this affliction, remember do not ask for its removal believing that "if" this were removed you'd be any closer to self sufficiency. I believe that most who are not freed of the affliction is because through it they rely on God even more so, and God's goal is not to free us from relying on Him, but to lead us to rely on Him for everything.

"And lead us not into temptation" -- will you cut that one out of the prayer?

Did Joseph linger around Potiphar's wife so he could rely on God more?
Is the RCC clergy the worst place to avoid such temptation?
 

Atwood

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I just extrapolated on what you said. The 'diffeculty level' IS important. I mean, at least we have the option of marriage (1 Cor 7:9). That isn't an option for gays, which makes dealing with lust for them even harder.
You may as well argue that for murders, shooting targets is not an option.

1 Cor 7 does not declare that marriage is an option to avoid sodomy. Marriage is not "optional," but a command to men in general. 1 Cor 7 declares that every man must have his own wife (a woman), unless 2 exceptions exist:

1) the man has the spiritual gift of celibacy & does not burn with a sexual itch or
2) extreme persecution is upon the Church.

So if you are a man & have a sexual itch, you need to scratch it with a wife.

As to sodomists, they are not Christians; thus escape from sin is not possible for them. They may vary the way they sin or even become moralists. But they are caught in the Adamic condition described in Romans 1-3.

But any brand of sinner finds salvation from sin in the Savior, by trusting Him.
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ & you shall be saved.
Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for
He shall save His people from their sins.

If any man be in Christ Jesus, he is a new creature;
old things are passed away, behold all has become new.

The gift of a transforming new birth is required.

But there is not salvation in this life which removes temptation and the lust of the Old Man.
The flesh will lust vs the Spirit (Gal 5). However, temptation & the Old Man exerting his desires is not the Christian lusting & sinning.
 
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"And lead us not into temptation" -- will you cut that one out of the prayer?

Did Joseph linger around Potiphar's wife so he could rely on God more?
Is the RCC clergy the worst place to avoid such temptation?
To your insinuation, I find it rather disgusting.

There is only one place I want to be in life, in the arms of Christ. He is my all in all. If I may be so bold, even if it does offend you, Jesus is my friend, my King, my Lord, my God, my Groom, and my Saviour. If you wish me not to rely on Him who dared to love me, a wretched piece of filth, then you do not wish me kindness or joy, but suffering and the gnashing of teeth.

I realized a long time ago what kind of man I am. I am a proud sycophantic dreamer who whiles away his hours in despair and spiritual poverty. Who would prefer to be forgotten and ignored than lauded or loved. In that darkness, only one thing ever kept me sane or whole. Christ. Christ entered into my heart where no one has ever dared to enter. He pushed past the walls of intelligence, buffoonery, and debauchery. He pulled down the shades and shutters of my heart, took a whip of cords and drove out all that would lead me to death and damnation. And there at the center of it all was the child who feared the world so much that he shut it away. Instead of denouncing me, or attacking me, He said the only words that have wrung into my heart and reverberate throughout the universe, "I love you." No one in this world can give me that. No man or woman. At the first ray of His Divine Light I fell in love with God, and realized that He had fallen in love with me before I had even existed. So, I refuse to marry and instead await the wedding feast we children of God have all been destined for. No one else will do but Christ.

I was once told to lower my standards, and I entered into a debauched world where those standards were lowered. A world of sex and immorality. The funny thing is...I was bad at it. I couldn't succeed in that world. One night, it finally looked like I would make it in the gay lifestyle. That night I met Raymond Reed, a Jew with AIDS. We were talking and he said, "You look like I did the night I gave away my life for a disease. You are worth more than that. Never lower your standards." When I laughed and said that if I held to my standards then only God could fulfill them. BELIEVE ME OR NOT, time seemed to stop. Raymond looked deep into my eyes and said, "Then you are meant for Him alone."

That night, I opened my Bible and began to read it. Everywhere I turned was the word WHORE. I was destroyed, the God whom I had trusted calling me a WHORE. I cried out to Him and looked down at the page in Hosea, "No longer shall you call me Lord, but Husband shall you call me forever more."

I suffer from an affliction that lead me into the arms of Christ. I fear the man I would be outside of those arms. I fear that man for one reason, because outside of those arms lays a dead man. A corpse of putrification.

If the Lord never remove this affliction, I will not question Him. For I will boast in my weakness, because all strength is His alone.

In Him, and with Him, and through Him, Oh God almighty Father, in the unity of the Holy Spirit, all glory and honor is Yours, forever and ever. Amen!