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Who's In us? Who was in the Garden with Adam? Which of the Three weren't there? Who's in us?

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in
the Spirit,
if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.
Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His.

"None of" Who's?

I love this topic - when it stays friendly.
 

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I appreciate this post but if I could explain how I see Him -- I just can't say three "personages or persons" because it sounds like "three gods" when I see One GOD through-out The Word, just as you said that we are created in His Image as tripartite, yet we are just one "person". There's no two persons alike on this earth - so we see that word 'person' to mean a totally different person - but GOD is not divided and never was and isn't now.

Separate persons are divided. There's never been a time that The Godhead was divided.

One is One and that word 'echad' - it's root is "unity".

Some occultists can detach their spirit from their bodies in 'remote viewing' or through meditation do all sorts of strange things that are separate from their body and sometimes, separate from their conscious mind and have to be told what their mouth said while they were 'out or out there' [wherever] .... which is what some religions do and is from the god of this world [satan] but that's the opposite example [or practice] of what being "Tripartite" is and how our spirit, soul and body work together and the more we "walk in the spirit" the more 'one' we are as a sound-person and as He and the Father are One.

He always meant for our spirit to be indwelled by Him and then the mind/soul takes the orders from the spirit and the body just follows through - walking as He walked while on the earth.
Walking in the flesh is what we're born doing -- living, thinking autonomously, apart from His Spirit/Him being within and speaking through our spirit to our minds/souls then bringing the body under submission.

It makes us One as He and Father are One when we walk in the Spirit but we're still just one person - with God as the Head of our lives.

It's about Co-Equality - the Three are One - and why I call it TriUnity [echad=unity] and not Trinity. Lots of Church History to go through as well. Not "Jesus Only" but just "God Only" but not "Unitarian" ... but a Triune Godhead.

Thank you for this post quoted above - it's in the Scriptures!
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Now that is some strange theology you got there, where does it come from?

I agree that the Triune GODhead is ONE, and that is easily explained BY HIS OMNIPRESENCE. However, Scripture also Clearly points out the separate personages:

Genesis 1:26-27 (ASV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Matthew 26:53 (HCSB)
[SUP]53 [/SUP] Or do you think that I cannot call on My Father, and He will provide Me at once with more than 12 legions of angels?

John 5:21 (HCSB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] And just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so the Son also gives life to anyone He wants to.

John 14:26 (HCSB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] But the Counselor, the Holy Spiritthe Father will send Him in My name—will teach you all things and remind you of everything I have told you.

Now there you have all THREE functioning Separately and all Three referred to by the masculine pronoun; and YET THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD.

Isaiah 43:10-12 (HCSB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] “You are My witnesses”— ⌊this is⌋ the LORD’s declaration— “and My servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe Me and understand that I am He. No god was formed before Me, and there will be none after Me.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] I, I am Yahweh, and there is no other Savior but Me.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] I alone declared, saved, and proclaimed— and not some foreign god among you. So you are My witnesses”— ⌊this is⌋ the LORD’s declaration— “and I am God.

Isaiah 6:8 (HCSB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying: Who should I send? Who will go for Us? I said: Here I am. Send me.


We know that the physical BODY of Jesus Christ is NOT the Deity part of JESUS, but RATHER the Spirit within that FLESH IS Part of GOD HIMSELF. Why did I say "Part of"? BECAUSE GOD IS OMNIPRESENT in all space and ALL TIME at the the same time. HE is not a created being travelling through time, HE IS THE CREATOR OF WHAT WE KNOW AS TIME. AND the Pre-incarnate JESUS is that CREATOR, PLUS His BODY, truly was MORTAL and HUMAN. WHY? Because GOD loved HIS created mortal beings and wanted to show that LOVE with what HE DEFINES as the Greatest form of LOVE. HE literally entered that mortal body in the womb of MARY so that HE, thee IMMORTAL GOD could lay down HIS life for HIS friends.

So how can the OMNIPRESENT GOD OF THE UNIVERSE BE IN THAT MORTAL BODY of JESUS.

Luke 1:37 (NIV)
[SUP]37 [/SUP] For nothing is impossible with God."


HE IS NOT A CREATED MORTAL BEING, how can you even try to apply mortal physical laws and realities to an ETERNAL, OMNIPRESENT, INFINITELY HOLY, Creator of all that was ever CREATED, and YET HE IS NOT A CREATED BEING.

HOW CAN THREE BE SEPARATE AND ONE GOD ALL AT THE SAME TIME?

Simply because HE IS GOD and nothing is impossible with HIM.



OH, and by the way, your theory will have great difficulty squaring with these verses about us, too:

Hebrews 4:12 (ESV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

2 Corinthians 5:6-8 (HCSB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] So, we are always confident and know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] For we walk by faith, not by sight,
[SUP]8 [/SUP] and we are confident and satisfied to be out of the body and at home with the Lord.
 

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It's about Co-Equality - the Three are One - and why I call it TriUnity [echad=unity] and not Trinity. Lots of Church History to go through as well. Not "Jesus Only" but just "God Only" but not "Unitarian" ... but a Triune Godhead.
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Now that is some strange theology you got there, where does it come from?

I agree that the Triune GODhead is ONE, and that is easily explained BY HIS OMNIPRESENCE. However, Scripture also Clearly points out the separate personages:
show me three personage here......
[h=1][/h] 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.


Hebrews 10:5
Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:




John 1:32


And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Colossians 2:9


For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.




John 14:17-19King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

[SUP]18 [/SUP]I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.


Romans 8:9


But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.1 Corinthians 3:16
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?


you are making the HS ...which is the same Spirit of God ,the same Spirit of Christ, the same Word of God...the same God into another entity...


1 Corinthians 8:6
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.


1 Corinthians 15:28
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.





 

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show me three personage here......
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.


Hebrews 10:5
Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:



John 1:32


And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Colossians 2:9


For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.




John 14:17-19King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

[SUP]18 [/SUP]I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.


Romans 8:9


But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.1 Corinthians 3:16
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?


you are making the HS ...which is the same Spirit of God ,the same Spirit of Christ, the same Word of God...the same God into another entity...


1 Corinthians 8:6
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.


1 Corinthians 15:28
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.


I AGREE!
AND that one GOD has THREE functioning parts or facets or personages within that Singular Deity.

YOU HAVE TO look at all of Scripture to SEE THIS. Let's start with this verse you POSTED.

1 Corinthians 8:6
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

1 Kings 20:13 (HCSB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] A prophet came to Ahab king of Israel and said, “This is what the LORD says: ‘Do you see this entire great army? Watch, I am handing it over to you today so that you may know that I am Yahweh.’”

Deuteronomy 6:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:


Isaiah 43:10 (HCSB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] “You are My witnesses”— ⌊this is⌋ the LORD’s declaration— “and My servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe Me and understand that I am He. No god was formed before Me, and there will be none after Me.
Isaiah 43:11 (HCSB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] I, I am Yahweh, and there is no other Savior but Me.
Isaiah 43:12 (HCSB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] I alone declared, saved, and proclaimed— and not some foreign god among you. So you are My witnesses”— ⌊this is⌋ the LORD’s declaration— “and I am God.

Isaiah 43:15 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] I am Yahweh, your Holy One, the Creator of Israel, your King.

Colossians 1:16-20 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For everything was created by Him, in heaven and on earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities— all things have been created through Him and for Him.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] He is before all things, and by Him all things hold together.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] He is also the head of the body, the church; He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He might come to have first place in everything.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] For God was pleased ⌊to have⌋ all His fullness dwell in Him,
[SUP]20 [/SUP] and through Him to reconcile everything to Himself by making peace through the blood of His cross— whether things on earth or things in heaven.

Philippians 3:20 (GW)

[SUP]20 [/SUP] We, however, are citizens of heaven. We look forward to the Lord Jesus Christ coming from heaven as our Savior.

Luke 2:11 (HCSB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Today a Savior, who is Messiah the Lord, was born for you in the city of David.

Isaiah 43:11 (HCSB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] I, I am Yahweh, and there is no other Savior but Me.

Acts 4:11-12 (HCSB)

[SUP]11 [/SUP] This ⌊Jesus⌋ is the stone rejected by you builders, which has become the cornerstone.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] There is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to people, and we must be saved by it.”



See the problem of your Theology, it does not encompass ALL of WHO the Scriptures say HE IS.
The THREE, really are only ONE GOD.
 
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I AGREE!
AND that one GOD has THREE functioning parts or facets or personages within that Singular Deity.

YOU HAVE TO look at all of Scripture to SEE THIS. Let's start with this verse you POSTED.

1 Corinthians 8:6
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

1 Kings 20:13 (HCSB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] A prophet came to Ahab king of Israel and said, “This is what the LORD says: ‘Do you see this entire great army? Watch, I am handing it over to you today so that you may know that I am Yahweh.’”

Deuteronomy 6:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:


Isaiah 43:10 (HCSB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] “You are My witnesses”— ⌊this is⌋ the LORD’s declaration— “and My servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe Me and understand that I am He. No god was formed before Me, and there will be none after Me.
Isaiah 43:11 (HCSB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] I, I am Yahweh, and there is no other Savior but Me.
Isaiah 43:12 (HCSB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] I alone declared, saved, and proclaimed— and not some foreign god among you. So you are My witnesses”— ⌊this is⌋ the LORD’s declaration— “and I am God.

Isaiah 43:15 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] I am Yahweh, your Holy One, the Creator of Israel, your King.

Colossians 1:16-20 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For everything was created by Him, in heaven and on earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities— all things have been created through Him and for Him.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] He is before all things, and by Him all things hold together.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] He is also the head of the body, the church; He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He might come to have first place in everything.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] For God was pleased ⌊to have⌋ all His fullness dwell in Him,
[SUP]20 [/SUP] and through Him to reconcile everything to Himself by making peace through the blood of His cross— whether things on earth or things in heaven.

Philippians 3:20 (GW)

[SUP]20 [/SUP] We, however, are citizens of heaven. We look forward to the Lord Jesus Christ coming from heaven as our Savior.

Luke 2:11 (HCSB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Today a Savior, who is Messiah the Lord, was born for you in the city of David.

Isaiah 43:11 (HCSB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] I, I am Yahweh, and there is no other Savior but Me.

Acts 4:11-12 (HCSB)

[SUP]11 [/SUP] This ⌊Jesus⌋ is the stone rejected by you builders, which has become the cornerstone.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] There is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to people, and we must be saved by it.”



See the problem of your Theology, it does not encompass ALL of WHO the Scriptures say HE IS.
The THREE, really are only ONE GOD.
the problem of my Theology,???that is why I posted scripture and no comments...and those scripture show exactly who God is...I ask no one to see three gods or one God......each man will make his own conclusion...either based on scripture or on a foregone conclusion...
none of the scripture you posted shows three Gods or persons
Acts 5:31
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
1 Timothy 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;
1 Timothy 2:3
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
1 Timothy 4:10
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
Titus 1:4
To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.
Titus 2:13
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Titus 3:4
But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
2 Peter 1:1
Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
Jude 1:25

To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
 
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the problem of my Theology,???that is why I posted scripture and no comments...and those scripture show exactly who God is...I ask no one to see three gods or one God......each man will make his own conclusion...either based on scripture or on a foregone conclusion...
none of the scripture you posted shows three Gods or persons


Who are Israelites, whose are the adoption and the glory, and the covenants, and the Lawgiving, and the service, and the promises; whose are the fathers, and from whom is the Christ according to flesh, He being God over all, blessed forever. Amen.(Romans 9.4 – 5)
 
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Who are Israelites, whose are the adoption and the glory, and the covenants, and the Lawgiving, and the service, and the promises; whose are the fathers, and from whom is the Christ according to flesh, He being God over all, blessed forever. Amen.(Romans 9.4 – 5)
1 Corinthians 15:28
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
 
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1 Corinthians 15:28
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.


And we know that the Son of God has come, and He has given to us an understanding that we may know the true One, and we are in the true One, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and the life eternal. (1 John 5.20)
 

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the problem of my Theology,???that is why I posted scripture and no comments...and those scripture show exactly who God is...I ask no one to see three gods or one God......each man will make his own conclusion...either based on scripture or on a foregone conclusion...
none of the scripture you posted shows three Gods or persons
Acts 5:31
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
1 Timothy 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;
1 Timothy 2:3
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
1 Timothy 4:10
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
Titus 1:4
To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.
Titus 2:13
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Titus 3:4
But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
2 Peter 1:1
Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
Jude 1:25

To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
You have GOT TO LOSE that false idea that Trinitarians believe in three GODS. You are spreading a LIE about what we believe. We Believe the ONLY GOD THAT EVER HAS EXISTED OR EVER WILL EXIST is the ONE and ONLY GOD: "the FATHER and the SON and the HOLY SPIRIT". THAT does not make THREE GODS, HE IS ONLY ONE GOD and the FATHER and the SON and the HOLY SPIRIT ARE CO-EQUALLY THAT ONE GOD.

AND all the verses that I posted are EQUALLY THE TRUTH.
 
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You have GOT TO LOSE that false idea that Trinitarians believe in three GODS. You are spreading a LIE about what we believe. We Believe the ONLY GOD THAT EVER HAS EXISTED OR EVER WILL EXIST is the ONE and ONLY GOD: "the FATHER and the SON and the HOLY SPIRIT". THAT does not make THREE GODS, HE IS ONLY ONE GOD and the FATHER and the SON and the HOLY SPIRIT ARE CO-EQUALLY THAT ONE GOD.

AND all the verses that I posted are EQUALLY THE TRUTH.
of course they are truth, it is your conclusion that is wrong...
co-equal cannot be less than or greater than.....or subject to....
John 14:28

Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

1 Corinthians 15:28
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
 
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of course they are truth, it is your conclusion that is wrong...
co-equal cannot be less than or greater than.....or subject to....
As the God-man, NO scripture thwarts Jesus' deity.

Keep clicking those heels together, Dorothy, as you slavishly repeat your pet verses, over, and over, and over, and over, and over......thinking that they somehow support tour denial of The Trinity.

You have..............................nothing.
 
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As the God-man, NO scripture thwarts Jesus' deity.

Keep clicking those heels together, Dorothy, as you slavishly repeat your pet verses, over, and over, and over, and over, and over......thinking that they somehow support tour denial of The Trinity.

You have..............................nothing.
I have scripture...and you conclude scripture is nothing...
can co-equal be less than or greater than.....or subject to.... or in your case four circles....can co-equal be less than or greater than any one of the other circle....if circle B is subject to circle A then they are not equal


1 Corinthians 15:28
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
 
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no mind...

I have scripture...and you conclude scripture is nothing...
Scripture does NOT agree with your assessment of it....



can co-equal be less than or greater than.....or subject to.... or in your case four circles....can co-equal be less than or greater than any one of the other circle....if circle B is subject to circle A then they are not equal
Show us the word 'co-equal' in scripture.




1 Corinthians 15:28
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
Like a hundred times before...and?

Detail to us exactly how an out-of-context verse supposedly thwarts The Trinity.

You can't do it.

Run from it........again...
 
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I have scripture...and you conclude scripture is nothing...
can co-equal be less than or greater than.....or subject to.... or in your case four circles....can co-equal be less than or greater than any one of the other circle....if circle B is subject to circle A then they are not equal


1 Corinthians 15:28
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
'Hanging' with you, NewBirth:

From just two of those that 'past the test of time and in Heaven now' Commentators from e-sword on 1 Corinthians 15:28 regarding the 'time of' Revelations 21 ~

Quote:
1 Corinthians 15:28
The Son also himself be subject - When the administration of the kingdom of grace is finally closed; when there shall be no longer any state of probation, and consequently no longer need of a distinction between the kingdom of grace and the kingdom of glory; then the Son, as being man and Messiah, shall cease to exercise any distinct dominion and God be all in all: there remaining no longer any distinction in the [persons of the glorious Trinity], as acting any distinct or separate parts in either the kingdom of grace, or the kingdom of glory, and so the one infinite essence shall appear undivided and eternal. And yet, as there appears to be a personality essentially in the infinite Godhead, that personality must exist eternally; but how this shall be we can neither tell nor know till that time comes in which we shall See 'Him' [sinular] as He Is. 1John 3:2.

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1 Corinthians 15:28
The Son also shall be subject - Shall deliver up the mediatorial kingdom. That the three, One God may be all in all - All things, without any interruption, without the intervention of any creature, without the opposition of any enemy, shall be subordinate to God. All shall say, "My God, and my all." This is the end. Even an inspired apostle can see nothing beyond this.

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Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be 'His people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.'
Rev 21:4 'And God' shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Rev 21:5 And He that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And He said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Rev 21:6 And He said unto me, 'It is done'. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and 'I will be his God', and he shall be My 'son'.


Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.


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One Throne ~ One GOD ~


Ezekiel 1:26-28 And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it. And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about.
As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of One that spake.


Rev 4:2-11And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. And He that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.
And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.
And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God. And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind. And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle. And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come. And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever, The four and twenty elders fall down before Him that sat on the throne, and worship Him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for Thou hast created all things, and for Thy pleasure they are and were created."

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Isaiah 6:2-5 Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly. And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, Holy, Holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory. And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke.
Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts.


Rev 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
 
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Re: no mind...

Scripture does NOT agree with your assessment of it....





Show us the word 'co-equal' in scripture.
that is not my belief but that of a trinitarian...(VCO)




Like a hundred times before...and?

Detail to us exactly how an out-of-context verse supposedly thwarts The Trinity.

You can't do it.

Run from it........again...
my post shows all things subdued by Christ who was given all power by God ....then he Gives all thing back to God and he himself becomes subject to God.....

if in subduing and subjecting of all things there is no trinity ...where did you get the idea from???
1 Corinthians 15:28
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
 
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'Hanging' with you, NewBirth:

From just two of those that 'past the test of time and in Heaven now' Commentators from e-sword on 1 Corinthians 15:28 regarding the 'time of' Revelations 21 ~

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1 Corinthians 15:28
The Son also himself be subject - When the administration of the kingdom of grace is finally closed; when there shall be no longer any state of probation, and consequently no longer need of a distinction between the kingdom of grace and the kingdom of glory; then the Son, as being man and Messiah, shall cease to exercise any distinct dominion and God be all in all: there remaining no longer any distinction in the [persons of the glorious Trinity], as acting any distinct or separate parts in either the kingdom of grace, or the kingdom of glory, and so the one infinite essence shall appear undivided and eternal. And yet, as there appears to be a personality essentially in the infinite Godhead, that personality must exist eternally; but how this shall be we can neither tell nor know till that time comes in which we shall See 'Him' [sinular] as He Is. 1John 3:2.

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1 Corinthians 15:28
The Son also shall be subject - Shall deliver up the mediatorial kingdom. That the three, One God may be all in all - All things, without any interruption, without the intervention of any creature, without the opposition of any enemy, shall be subordinate to God. All shall say, "My God, and my all." This is the end. Even an inspired apostle can see nothing beyond this.

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Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be 'His people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.'
Rev 21:4 'And God' shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Rev 21:5 And He that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And He said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Rev 21:6 And He said unto me, 'It is done'. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and 'I will be his God', and he shall be My 'son'.


Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.


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One Throne ~ One GOD ~


Ezekiel 1:26-28 And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it. And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about.
As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of One that spake.


Rev 4:2-11And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. And He that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.
And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.
And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God. And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind. And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle. And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come. And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever, The four and twenty elders fall down before Him that sat on the throne, and worship Him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for Thou hast created all things, and for Thy pleasure they are and were created."

~*~

Isaiah 6:2-5 Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly. And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, Holy, Holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory. And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke.
Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts.


Rev 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
this is the description of the Godhead...and I see no trinity...Paul is clear not every man have that knowledge...
John 1 King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.


1 Corinthians 8:5-7King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

[SUP]7 [/SUP]Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.
 
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Jesus became "a person" at the incarnation and that's what confuses some to label the Godhead in such a way as three 'persons' and the co-equality is seen very distinctly when cross-referencing the Old Testament with the New. Same GOD before the Incarnation - as He will again be after the time of Grace comes to "the end" after the millennial reign when those that are alive during that 1000 yr period will still have the freewill to choose between GOD or Satan final rebellion when he's loosed ... as those commentators saw - though the one used the word 'trinity' it didn't affect His View of the reality of the Three in One at all.

Yes, John 1 describes Who He is - but He was the only that became a 'person' -- but will be as He was in Eternity past, again in Eternity future -- The One True Almighty GOD and no longer sitting "at the right hand of the father" ... and will again His Name is every Name given Him from cover to cover. When all things are completed and there is no longer needed a 'mediator' between man and The Throne, nor any unsaved yet to be born - when it's called "the end" then "the man Christ Jesus" will resume all of His former Glory and fullness. That is what those two commentators put in the best words that they could to explain Cor 15:28 and they did well, compared to the vast majority of today and those from about 200 AD.

Again - the history of the writings of men since the apostles have made Christ a lesser or different God and thus came that word "persons" rather than just sola scriptura alone. That's triplicated "Just - Sola - Alone". TriUnity again and wish we could stay with just just sola scriptura alone on every hard for our small pea brains compared to Him to understand as He's described Himself and what He expects from us that alledgely "Love Him". GOD help us all to finish the race and not be ashamed or disappointed with ourselves when His eyes finally meet ours at His Appearing - Amen.
 
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my post shows all things subdued by Christ who was given all power by God ....then he Gives all thing back to God and he himself becomes subject to God.....

if in subduing and subjecting of all things there is no trinity ...where did you get the idea from???
Again...

How does this supposedly thwart The Trinity?

You must state your definition of what you think the Trinity is before you can supposedly knock it down.

All we see is you running around making a complete fool of yourself as you chase your own personal version of the Trinity residing only in your head.

 

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Re: no mind...

that is not my belief but that of a trinitarian...(VCO)





my post shows all things subdued by Christ who was given all power by God ....then he Gives all thing back to God and he himself becomes subject to God.....

if in subduing and subjecting of all things there is no trinity ...where did you get the idea from???
1 Corinthians 15:28
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
I know I have told you this before, but I still think the major difference between what you believe and what I believe, is nothing more than a difference in the definitions of TERMS we use. After this paragraph, let me try explain your side, as I now see it. I think this is important because the way you worded things in the past, I for a long time thought you were denying the Deity of Christ, the same as some of the factions within the Church of Christ denomination does, or the Jehovah Witnesses; teaching that JESUS is ONLY the OFFSPRING of GOD. In fact, some of your explanations come right out the pages of the Watchtower, especially that you used to think Trinitarians believe in three GODs. At least I hope that I have been able to correct your thinking of that at least. I have been documenting the beliefs of the psuedo Christian cults for a long time, at least 10 years before I bought my first computer in 1995. I still have those hard copies documenting their beliefs in two drawers of a filing cabinet in the garage. Yes, Dr. Walter Martin was one of the major influences on my spiritual growth in the 80's.

Here is how I think you are now describing the GODhead:

I think we agree that the body of JESUS is human part of Jesus Christ.
I think you see the Spiritual Part of JESUS as GOD HIMSELF, with no three part division.
I think you see the FATHER and the HOLY SPIRIT as GOD HIMSELF, with no three part division.
I think you see this is totally possible, because of HIS Omnipresence.


Correct me if I stated any of that wrong. IF you agree that I got that right, I will agree with those statements, including the "no three part division" within HIS DEITY. However I think His nature includes a three part division that is NOT talking about HIS DEITY. Hence Jesus prays and converses with the FATHER, the Holy Spirit is SENT by the Father, etc., etc.
 
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