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CatHerder

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Were Abraham and Sarah perverts for having Isaac as elderly people?

Let's clear the air and say that having a libido and being a pervert are two different things.

I have more of a problem as to how these products are marketed rather than that the products exist in the first place. But a lot of folks here have already brought that up.
 
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Okay, so what about the married man who is having problems with sexual function? Are these products "evil" still? It just seems there are a lot of generalizations being made about this stuff.

I by no means have a problem with birth control pills, but the same argument can be made about the use of them giving women the opportunity to be more sexually active as well.

I am just saying there are perfectly normal reasons for a christian to use some of these products. Lets not go throwing the baby out with the bath water.
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I don't think anyone has made any point about restricting the husbands right to have godly relations with his wife? But the point is that the last thing we need as a society, is more sickos running around excited 20 hours out of everyday and looking to satisfy there ungodly lust... Cant you see the point?
 
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CatHerder said:
Were Abraham and Sarah perverts for having Isaac as elderly people?

Let's clear the air and say that having a libido and being a pervert are two different things.

I have more of a problem as to how these products are marketed rather than that the products exist in the first place. But a lot of folks here have already brought that up.
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I think that was a act of God to cause His will to be manifest.... Do you really think whats going on with these types of products to be advancing Gods Will? And when the last time you seen a 100 year old couple trying to have a baby?
 
CatHerder

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Mitspa said:
I think that was a act of God to cause His will to be manifest.... Do you really think whats going on with these types of products to be advancing Gods Will? And when the last time you seen a 100 year old couple trying to have a baby?
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from Genesis 18:
10The Lord said, “I will surely return to you about this time next year, and Sarah your wife shall have a son.” And Sarah was listening at the tent door behind him. 11Now Abraham and Sarah were old, advanced in years. The way of women had ceased to be with Sarah.

I brought this up because according to this passage, God does not TELL Abraham to have relations with his wife, but PROMISES that the relations will produce a son. The implication is that having sex with one's spouse is normal and godly behavior, even when in one's advanced years.

There are all sorts of reasons why a man would take such a product. And lowered testosterone levels, circulatory problems, etc. can affect younger men as well for a variety of reasons, leading to impotency and/or a lowered sex drive. I see nothing wrong with the medicine itself.

I don't think we should assume and apply certain behaviors to those who may use these products.
 
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CatHerder said:
from Genesis 18:
10The Lord said, “I will surely return to you about this time next year, and Sarah your wife shall have a son.” And Sarah was listening at the tent door behind him. 11Now Abraham and Sarah were old, advanced in years. The way of women had ceased to be with Sarah.

I brought this up because according to this passage, God does not TELL Abraham to have relations with his wife, but PROMISES that the relations will produce a son. The implication is that having sex with one's spouse is normal and godly behavior, even when in one's advanced years.

There are all sorts of reasons why a man would take such a product. And lowered testosterone levels, circulatory problems, etc. can affect younger men as well for a variety of reasons, leading to impotency and/or a lowered sex drive. I see nothing wrong with the medicine itself.

I don't think we should assume and apply certain behaviors to those who may use these products.
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I don't see where anyone has tried to condemn folks for godly behavior? But if anyone can see the world and whats going on in our culture, they have to ask if these products are really a help or just plan insanity? Its much like pain pills...I have no issue with there proper use but anyone can see that these things are destroying people and lives. The same with these sex pills...for every one that has some benefit, there is probably a thousand that are only drawn further into a life of sin and bondage to their lust?
 
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Utah said:
And to think, there are prisoners that are given sexual enhancement products. PRISONERS ! ! ! !
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Prisoners of love.


Bwahahaha, sorry I couldn't resist.


Mitspa said:
I don't think anyone has made any point about restricting the husbands right to have godly relations with his wife? But the point is that the last thing we need as a society, is more sickos running around excited 20 hours out of everyday and looking to satisfy there ungodly lust... Cant you see the point?
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I think medication has a lot less to do with it than most people's shaky and nonexistent relationships with Christ. I mean, I'd be revved up 24x7 without Christ - not just about sex either. And I'm not some paragon of virtue either - my walk could improve quite a bit.

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I don't see where anyone has tried to condemn folks for godly behavior? But if anyone can see the world and whats going on in our culture, they have to ask if these products are really a help or just plan insanity? Its much like pain pills...I have no issue with there proper use but anyone can see that these things are destroying people and lives. The same with these sex pills...for every one that has some benefit, there is probably a thousand that are only drawn further into a life of sin and bondage to their lust?
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This is a pretty deep rabbit hole. You're making a value judgment about whether or not a legitimate product should be on the shelves in an attempt to protect people from themselves. The last time a bunch of Christians tried that in the USA we had the temperance movement - and the result was a legacy of organized crime and the creation of federal agencies that have eroded our freedoms.

I think we as Christians need to be darn sure it's God telling us to condemn something before we go aggrandizing an issue. I think it might be a natural tendency to forget that fundamentally, we are unable to change others' hearts.

If these products were yanked off the shelf tomorrow, at best it would be a feel-good victory for a select few people - the irony of which would be if they ever needed them personally.
 
Lynx

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Why does every thread eventually turn into a debate thread?
 
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ServantStrike said:
Prisoners of love.


Bwahahaha, sorry I couldn't resist.




I think medication has a lot less to do with it than most people's shaky and nonexistent relationships with Christ. I mean, I'd be revved up 24x7 without Christ - not just about sex either. And I'm not some paragon of virtue either - my walk could improve quite a bit.



This is a pretty deep rabbit hole. You're making a value judgment about whether or not a legitimate product should be on the shelves in an attempt to protect people from themselves. The last time a bunch of Christians tried that in the USA we had the temperance movement - and the result was a legacy of organized crime and the creation of federal agencies that have eroded our freedoms.

I think we as Christians need to be darn sure it's God telling us to condemn something before we go aggrandizing an issue. I think it might be a natural tendency to forget that fundamentally, we are unable to change others' hearts.

If these products were yanked off the shelf tomorrow, at best it would be a feel-good victory for a select few people - the irony of which would be if they ever needed them personally.
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I think some of you are taking this a whole lot more serious than I am? I think my intention was to be a little funny and to make a point about how silly its is that such products are being poured into a society that is already full of perverts and folks that cant seem to control there lust? I also would look at this from the perspective as believers that the last thing we would want is to stimulate our more sinful passions... Its a topic that promotes humor and a little light hearted honesty...you guys just relax nobody is going to take away your magic pills...lol ...joke :)
 
seoulsearch

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I'll tell you what we REALLY don't need...

We really don't need a magic pill that causes women to crave more chocolate.

*Pops another 1/2 price after-Christmas-sale chocolate-covered cherry.*
 
seoulsearch

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CatHerder said:
Let's clear the air and say that having a libido and being a pervert are two different things.
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Praise God.

If not, 99.97% of the people on this forum would be in prison right now.
 
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Mitspa said:
Im amazed at all the products and advertisements for products that increase a mans sexual drive? Everytime I see one, I think to myself dont we have enough dirty old men walk around? I think those of us who are single men and trying to live pure lives before the Lord, and know the joy of being clean, wonder if the whole world has gone crazy? Just and odd thought that comes to me from time to time...thought this might be a good place to express it?
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Much of advertising (dare I say "most"?) is driven by a mindset of "wealth before health".
 
Reborn

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VioletReigns said:
Thank you so much for saying so, Brother Mitspa!! Hallelujah!! Praise the Lord for His Spirit reigning in godly men like you who come against carnal assaults and make a stand for purity and the joy of Christ Jesus. What a beautiful blessing! \:D/ Glory to God!!
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Nice.:D

*I have to add that Violet was really cool and encouraging.
I hope she hasn't decided to leave for good?
 
Lynx

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No. But I expect someone will argue about whether or not to argue about it. :p
 
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Lynx said:
No. But I expect someone will argue about whether or not to argue about it. :p
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Well you guys should I think...because it appears he was trying to tell you what to do! By telling people not to argue , I think he may be taking some of them pills? :(
 
gypsygirl

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Lynx said:
Why does every thread eventually turn into a debate thread?
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well, because this is a forum where people post their opinions. not everyone agrees with opinions expressed, and many people enjoy discussing an alternate viewpoint and support with facts, or other relevant info, such as scripture.

however, the question i have for you is why do you care so much, or are uncomfortable with people engaging in civil, respectful discussion to offer counter viewpoints? i have seen you post similar sentiments before, and i wonder if you have a unrealistic expectation as to how a forum such as these operate, and in my opinion, does quite well--in a peaceable, edifying way (most of the time).

what exactly DO you expect? someone posts and idea or statement, and only those who agree are allowed to chime in and offer light and supportive statements?

in fact, that is one of my favorite things here. that people can express divergent viewpoints and that i am afforded an opportunity to learn something new, or learn how others think.

i am baffled why you keep making such statements--it sort throws a wet blanket on any discussion of merit.
 
Lynx

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Expressing opinions is fine. But the hard-core debaters always resort to using insult as debate tactic... much the same as you just did.

And it's comforting to know that I'm a wet blanket.
 
gypsygirl

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Lynx said:
Expressing opinions is fine. But the hard-core debaters always resort to using insult as debate tactic... much the same as you just did.

And it's comforting to know that I'm a wet blanket.
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exactly where did i insult you? perhaps we have very different definitions of what an insult is.

what i actually said in the previous post is:

i am baffled why you keep making such statements--it sort throws a wet blanket on any discussion of merit.

what i equated to a "wet blanket" was the statement you made, not you as a person. if that wasn't obvious, i hope it is clear now.

and i stand by that statement.

how would you feel if you were having a productive discussion or debate with someone and a different person walked by and said, "now, now, you two quit fighting!!!" ?

not that long ago, in another thread a different poster responded to a similar statement you made by referring to it as almost a "self-fulfilling prophesy". i kind of agree with this too.

we do have a few threads around here that i have found to be "below the belt" and on the harsh side, but for the most part, this forum seems to be more capable of respectful, edifying discussion of topics. i think that kind of discussion and debate is healthy, productive, and should be encouraged, not diminished or judged harshly. : )
 
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MrsRoseTreasure

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It's not likely that the perverts are spending money on little blue pills. Just saying. There's plenty of perversion to go around. If a husband were unable to "perform his duties" the wife may be sorely disappointed and would like to seek help, though it doesn't have to be from a pharmacy. It's a very important part of married life.

There is a lot of "sex sells" in the world, and not just porn. Why do gun catalogs have girls in flag bikinis holding AK-47's? Why do beer commercials have so many half-naked girls in them? There's a commercial where a cowboy "shakes" a margarita on a horse with no shirt on. Why did Taco Bell just release a commercial with a gay couple? At least in the commercials about the blue pills, it's usually a dude going home to one woman, or so far that I've seen. (There's no TV here.)

We live in a world where sex is cheap, and "everyone is doing it." This is the result.
 
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MrsRoseTreasure said:
It's not likely that the perverts are spending money on little blue pills. Just saying. There's plenty of perversion to go around. If a husband were unable to "perform his duties" the wife may be sorely disappointed and would like to seek help, though it doesn't have to be from a pharmacy. It's a very important part of married life.

There is a lot of "sex sells" in the world, and not just porn. Why do gun catalogs have girls in flag bikinis holding AK-47's? Why do beer commercials have so many half-naked girls in them? There's a commercial where a cowboy "shakes" a margarita on a horse with no shirt on. Why did Taco Bell just release a commercial with a gay couple? At least in the commercials about the blue pills, it's usually a dude going home to one woman, or so far that I've seen. (There's no TV here.)

We live in a world where sex is cheap, and "everyone is doing it." This is the result.
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I don't know but I have a funny feeling that they see these pills as just a way to add a little fuel to the fire...lol I believe like many things in health care or whatever there is an agenda by the drug companies to spread there products beyond what is healthy for the society as a whole.... Like i said, this is not some great issue to me but I known some old men who get these things and are not married and they creep around and have that crazy look in their eye. When I see those commercials, those are the people I think about.
 
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