Trinity?

[Bowman]

I see you know all about Grammer and antecedents and referents.

That would be the first thing which you have stated correctly...

But John was just a fisherman. Do you want to stake your future on wheter he got the grammer correct in a language which was not his native tongue?

Funny how this lame excuse NEVER entered into the conversation when you quoted from the same Book for your position.

Can we say hypocrisy....?

 

[ELECT]

It is "funny" that you mentioned Revelation chapter 1
I was just working on a study of that Chapter. Here is what I have so far.

1The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John, 2 who testified to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw.
“”
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants,””
If God gave Jesus the revelation, then Jesus could not be God. If Jesus were God he would not need God to give him the revelation. He would already have the revelation.
“
He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John, 2 who testified to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ”
It is important to note that this passage indicates that God and Jesus are two separate beings. If Jesus were God it would not be necessary to indicate that they do not have the same identity.
　
3 Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and heed the things which are written in it; for the time is near.
“”
for the time is near””
This ties in with Revelation 22:!0
10 And he *said to me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, “for the time is near“
Revelation 22:12 12 “Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done.
Unfortunately, the time was not near as that was almost 2000 years ago. Jesus has not come “quickly” as that was almost 2000 years ago.
IMO the NT writers expected Jesus to come quickly and soon but this has not happened.
I can understand why Jesus messed up on the timing of his coming. He didn’t know.
Matthew 24:36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.
Jesus just didn’t know the timeline. Good evidence that he is not God because God knows everything.
　
“”
7 Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him.””
Daniel 7:13
“I kept looking in the night visions,
And behold, with the clouds of heaven
One like a Son of Man was coming,
And He came up to the Ancient of Days
And was presented before Him.
Mark 14:61-62
Again the high priest was questioning Him, and saying to Him, “Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?” 62 And Jesus said, “I am; and you shall see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.”
Jesus claims to be the son of man of Daniel 7. Sons of men are human and not Gods.
Jesus answers the High Priest’s question and claims to be the Messiah. Had Jesus been God wouldn’t this be a lie of omission?
Notice that in Daniel 7, the son of man is “presented” to
the Ancient of Days, whom I assume is God. Usually an inferior is presented to a superior. As a son of man Jesus would not be presented to himself if he were God.


Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen.Sounds like a prayer to God....ven ends with a AMEN.　

And God answers from Heaven......

“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

John 16:30
Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God.

 

[Bowman]

It is "funny" that you mentioned Revelation chapter 1
I was just working on a study of that Chapter. Here is what I have so far.

1The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John, 2 who testified to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw.
“”
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants,””
If God gave Jesus the revelation, then Jesus could not be God. If Jesus were God he would not need God to give him the revelation. He would already have the revelation.
“
He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John, 2 who testified to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ”
It is important to note that this passage indicates that God and Jesus are two separate beings. If Jesus were God it would not be necessary to indicate that they do not have the same identity.

• We are told in the opening verse of the Book of Revelation that the Apocalypse is a Revelation that has been given from God, to Jesus Christ, and revealed unto His slave, John, through an Angel
• John records these verses confirming that the resurrected Jesus Christ is the one speaking to him, and telling him specifically to write down all things that he is about to encounter
• In the opening chapter of Revelation the signifying angel sent to John is referred to as God’s angel, via the usage of the genitive singular definite article “ho”
• In the closing chapter of Revelation, the signifying angel that is sent to testify to John is referred to as Jesus’ angel, via the usage of the first person nominative singular personal pronoun “ego” and the usage of the accusative singular masculine definite article, “ho”
• Further, we are informed that this same angel, which was sent to John, also belongs to the plural Spirits “pneuma”
• The angel sent to John is God’s angel
• The angel sent to John is Jesus’ angel
• The angel sent to John is Spirit’ angel
• Even though three entities show ownership, this angel is sent out as one via the usage of the singular verb “apostello”
• Reinforcing the Biblical concept of the Holy Trinity, we have been told that this angel is from:

• Father
• Son
• Spirit

• The implications of this mandates that we have yet another Revelatory instance of the deity interchangeability that exists between God and Jesus
• John attempts to worship the angel that has been sent to deliver Jesus’ Revelation
• John is rebuked by Jesus’ angel for attempting to worship at his feet.In fact, John is rebuked twice in Revelation for attempting to worship Jesus’ angel
• The angel’s reply to John is that he must only worship God; and, as already witnessed in the beginning of Revelation, John did exactly that when he fell at the feet of the resurrected Jesus Christ.
• Confirming that Jesus is God

 

[ELECT]

*
More for EbalT5 ~ Creator God ~ Every knee shall bow ~

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Isaiah 45:12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for Him.

Malachi 2:10 Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us?

John 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

Isaiah 40:28 Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? there is no searching of his understanding.


Isaiah 45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
Isa 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
Isa 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto Me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Isa 45:24 Surely, shall one say, in the LORD have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.
Isa 45:25 In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.


Rom 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.


Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth

Did Holy Spirit create anything or God alone that streched forth the heavens ?

 

[ELECT]

I would say that the verse is rather ambiguous. It is not clear if the verse is always about Jesus or about God or which is which.
We have to understand John's motives for writing which he makes very clear in the 20th chapter of his gospel.
Why This Gospel Was Written

[SUP]30 [/SUP]Therefore many other signs Jesus also performed in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; [SUP]31 [/SUP]but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.

John makes it clear that he only wrote to prove that Jesus was the Messiah or Christ.
Had Jesus been God, John would have said so. But his motive is to prove that Jesus is the legitimate Messiah.

what does the Word was God mean ?

 

[ELECT]

• We are told in the opening verse of the Book of Revelation that the Apocalypse is a Revelation that has been given from God, to Jesus Christ, and revealed unto His slave, John, through an Angel
• John records these verses confirming that the resurrected Jesus Christ is the one speaking to him, and telling him specifically to write down all things that he is about to encounter
• In the opening chapter of Revelation the signifying angel sent to John is referred to as God’s angel, via the usage of the genitive singular definite article “ho”
• In the closing chapter of Revelation, the signifying angel that is sent to testify to John is referred to as Jesus’ angel, via the usage of the first person nominative singular personal pronoun “ego” and the usage of the accusative singular masculine definite article, “ho”
• Further, we are informed that this same angel, which was sent to John, also belongs to the plural Spirits “pneuma”
• The angel sent to John is God’s angel
• The angel sent to John is Jesus’ angel
• The angel sent to John is Spirit’ angel
• Even though three entities show ownership, this angel is sent out as one via the usage of the singular verb “apostello”
• Reinforcing the Biblical concept of the Holy Trinity, we have been told that this angel is from:

• Father
• Son
• Spirit

• The implications of this mandates that we have yet another Revelatory instance of the deity interchangeability that exists between God and Jesus
• John attempts to worship the angel that has been sent to deliver Jesus’ Revelation
• John is rebuked by Jesus’ angel for attempting to worship at his feet.In fact, John is rebuked twice in Revelation for attempting to worship Jesus’ angel
• The angel’s reply to John is that he must only worship God; and, as already witnessed in the beginning of Revelation, John did exactly that when he fell at the feet of the resurrected Jesus Christ.
• Confirming that Jesus is God

yet we know the Son who is also the alpha and omega the 1st and the last like the Father died for mankind not the Father nor the Holy Ghost died interesting is that

 

[Bowman]

yet we know the Son who is also the alpha and omega the 1st and the last like the Father died for mankind not the Father nor the Holy Ghost died interesting is that

Scripture states that the flesh of Jesus died.

God cannot die.

 

[Jeff_56]

re the quotes below.

this is going to be an unsolvable problem for those who think scholarship helps.

as Jesus told one "you are blessed, because flesh and blood did not reveal this" "My Father in heaven revealed this"
and again it was repeated by others throughout Scripture. -- what is granted by God is received. nothing is received if it is not granted by God from heaven.

and again, no man spoke from himself, but inspired by God...... i.e. not by human training or origin, but from God.

and again JESUS PRAISED GOD THE FATHER OUT LOUD BEFORE OTHERS "Thanks be to you Father in heaven for HIDING SALVATION/KNOWLEDGE from the scholars and the educated, and revealing it to the BABIES/uneducated! FOR thus it was WELL PLEASING IN YOUR SIGHT so to do"

a final note for those who actually are seeking God,
realize that the apostles and disciples themselves, in Scripture, in the OT and the NT,
never thought about God the way people in the usa/west do and teach today. and some of them walked with Jesus and with God, and experienced revelations from Him for His Purpose.

in fact, the descriptions of the churches (ekklesia, assembling of believers), all through the NT is not at all
like
the churches in the world today. oh, there are ekklesia, but they are rare, and not in the public eye nor seeking tv or computer or news coverage.

-----------------------------------------------
"But John was just a fisherman. Do you want to stake your future on wheter he got the grammer correct in a language which was not his native tongue?"
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"Funny how this .. excuse NEVER entered into the conversation when you quoted from the same Book for your position."

 

[ChristIsGod]

Did Holy Spirit create anything or God alone that streched forth the heavens ?

Hi Brother. I don't believe there was ever a time when the Three in One acted separately. They are One.
The Holy Spirit is called "The Spirit of God" in the O.T. & N.T. and also The Spirit of Christ in the N.T. - so we see the Union and I believe that only when Christ was on the cross for the 3 hours of darkness, did He experience the fullness of humanity and the sin of the world and did feel that 'God' had forsaken Him --- but that's the only time I see the 3 ever remotely working separately in the Scriptures --- but just as One God and as He says 'repeatedly' through-out the O.T. about Himself --- "and there is none else" -- as you see a number of those verses in Isaiah.
Blesses me very much - the weight of The Glory of Who He is. The Absolute Co-Equality of The Three in ONE ... still awes me just as much as He did from the beginning. It's no wonder that the 24 elders, the angels and the rest don't tire of praising Him up there. Holy Awe! Amen.

 

[newbirth]

what does the Word was God mean ?

it means you will not get an answer from certain quarters.....there is only one God the Father and Jesus is the Word...Show us the Father....
John 14:8-10King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.


show us the Spirit...

John 14:16-19King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

[SUP]17 [/SUP]Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

[SUP]18 [/SUP]I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

[SUP]19 [/SUP]Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

 

[Bowman]

re the quotes below.

this is going to be an unsolvable problem for those who think scholarship helps.

as Jesus told one "you are blessed, because flesh and blood did not reveal this" "My Father in heaven revealed this"
and again it was repeated by others throughout Scripture. -- what is granted by God is received. nothing is received if it is not granted by God from heaven.

and again, no man spoke from himself, but inspired by God...... i.e. not by human training or origin, but from God.

and again JESUS PRAISED GOD THE FATHER OUT LOUD BEFORE OTHERS "Thanks be to you Father in heaven for HIDING SALVATION/KNOWLEDGE from the scholars and the educated, and revealing it to the BABIES/uneducated! FOR thus it was WELL PLEASING IN YOUR SIGHT so to do"

a final note for those who actually are seeking God,
realize that the apostles and disciples themselves, in Scripture, in the OT and the NT,
never thought about God the way people in the usa/west do and teach today. and some of them walked with Jesus and with God, and experienced revelations from Him for His Purpose.

in fact, the descriptions of the churches (ekklesia, assembling of believers), all through the NT is not at all
like
the churches in the world today. oh, there are ekklesia, but they are rare, and not in the public eye nor seeking tv or computer or news coverage.

-----------------------------------------------
"But John was just a fisherman. Do you want to stake your future on wheter he got the grammer correct in a language which was not his native tongue?"
-----------------------------------------------
"Funny how this .. excuse NEVER entered into the conversation when you quoted from the same Book for your position."

So...what's the so-called 'problem' that needs resolving....?

 

[EbalT5]

Re: Watch and learn, sis...

Mat 28.19

πορευθεντες ουν μαθητευσατε παντα τα εθνη βαπτιζοντες αυτους εις το ονομα του πατρος και του υιου και του αγιου πνευματος

Then having gone, disciple all nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,


This passage contains arthrous substantives connected via kai which indicates distinction and separate referents.


However, while distinction is made between the referents, each has the same singular name.


Three Persons in one Being.


This same singular name of three persons’ baptism is the same as the Aaronic blessing in which the singular name of Yahweh is repeated three times (Num 6.22 – 27).


Separate and yet the same, The Trinity.

Did you miss my post on this verse?
There are about 7 baptisms in the NT and each time they are baptized in the name of Jesus and not baptised with the Trinitatian formula which is spurious.
Eusebius 4th Century Church Historian Proves Matthew 28:19 is Spurious.
The 4th Century Church Historian wrote a famous book called ""THE PROOF OF THE GOSPEL"'

In 7 places Eusebius quotes Matthew 28:19 and NEVER includes the Trinitarian formula The Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

(1) Book III, Chapter 7, 136 (a-d), p. 157

(2) Book III, Chapter 6, 132 (a), p. 152

(3) Book III, Chapter 7, 138 (c), p. 159

(4) Book IX, Chapter 11, 445 (c), p. 175

(5) Book I, Chapter 3, 6 (a), p. 20

(6) Book I, Chapter 5, 9 (a), p. 24

(7) Book I, Chapter 6, 24 (c), p. 42

This is proof that sometime after the 4th century the gospels were being edited.

When the Roman Catholic Church was "keeper" of the NT Scriptures the Monks were monkeying with the text.

 

[EbalT5]

Scripture...?

No.

Just more meritless assertions on your part...

Here is some Scripture showing the nature of God.

I am YHWH, your GOD, ....
You shall have no other gods besides Me
Exodus 20:2,3
To you it was shown that you might know
that YHWH, He is GOD, there is no other besides Him
Deut 4:35
Know therefore today, and take it to your heart,
that YHWH, He is GOD in heaven above,
and on the earth below; there is no other.
Deut 4:39
See now that I, I am HE,
and there is no god besides Me
It is I who put to death, and give life
I have wounded , and it is I who heal
and there is no one who can deliver from My hand
Deut 32:39
There is no one holy like YHWH
Indeed there is no one besides Thee
Nor is there any rock like our GOD
1sam2:2
so that all the peoples of the earth may know
that YHWH is GOD,there is no one else
1 kings 8:60
and now, O YHWH our GOD,I pray,
deliver us from his hand that all the kingdoms
of the earth may know that Thou alone,
O YHWH are GOD
2kings 19:19
To whom then will you liken Me
that I should be his equal?
says the Holy One
Isaiah 40:25
I am YHWH, that is my name
I will not give my glory to another
Nor my praise to idols
Isaiah 42:8
You are My witnesses declares YHWH
and my servant whom I have chosen
In order that you may know and believe Me
And understand that I am He
Before Me there was no GOD formed
And there will be none after Me
I, even I,am YHWH,
And there is no savior besides me
Isaiah 43:10,11
Thus says YHWH the KING of Israel
and his redeemer YHWH of hosts
I am the first and I am the last
and there is no GOD besides Me
Isaiah 44:6
I am YHWH and there is no other
Besides me there is no GOD
I will arm you though you have not known Me
that men may know from the rising to the setting
of the sun
that there is no one besides Me
I am YHWH and there is no other
Isaiah 45:5,6
Declare and set forth your case
Indeed let them consult together
Who has announced this from of old?
Who has long since declared it?
Is it not I, YHWH?
and there is no other GOD besides Me
A rightous GOD and a savior
There is none except Me
Turn to ME, and be saved
all the ends of the earth
For I am GOD and there is no other
Isaiah 45:21,22
To whom would you liken Me
and make Me equal and compare Me
That we should be alike?
Isaiah 46:5
Yet I have been YHWH your GOD
since the land of Egypt
and you were not to know any GOD except Me
For there is no savior besides Me
Hosea 14:4
Do we not all have one father?
Has not one GOD created us?
Why do we deal treacherously each against his brother
so as to profane the covenant of our fathers?
Malachi 2:10
DO NOT PUT YOUR TRUST IN PRINCES,
NOR IN THE SON OF MAN,
IN WHOM THERE IS NO SALVATION
Psalm 146:3
Please read these scriptures in context in your Bible
If this be truth, there can not be any other GOD
SAVIOR, CREATOR, or ROCK but YHWH
THE ONE and ONLY ONE ALONE, there is
NO OTHER besides HIM

 

[EbalT5]

Since when were Jews known for correctly interpreting their scriptures?!

The few that did, converted to Christianity.

God trusted the Jews with his Scriptures.
Romans 3:1-2
Then what advantage has the Jew? Or what is the benefit of circumcision? [SUP]2 [/SUP]Great in every respect. First of all, that they were entrusted with the oracles of God.

If God trusts the Jews with the Scriptures, who are you to complain?

 

[EbalT5]

Wherever you copied and pasted that post from - they should have told Peter that ....

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Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Excellent point! The baptisms in the Bible are performed in the name of Jesus.
There are no baptisms performed in the name of the Father Son and Holy Ghost.

 

[EbalT5]

2Co 6:18 And I will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.


Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

These are saying the same thing - but by Whom?

From Hebrews 1:5.....
I WILL BE A FATHER TO HIM
AND HE SHALL BE A SON TO ME"?

Notice the future tense?
If Jesus was the Son of God from the "beginning" then it should have read.............
I AM A FATHER TO HIM
AND HE IS A SON TO ME"?

But this is a quotation from the Hebrew Scriptures [2Samuel 7:14] which you will find enlightening.

""I will be a father to him and he will be a son to Me; when he commits iniquity, I will correct him with the rod of men and the strokes of the sons of men, ""

""when he commits iniquity,"""??? It says "'when"" not ""if""he commits iniquity.

Is this Son of God, a God or is he a man? God doesn't commit iniquity but a man does.

 

[EbalT5]

Re: Flimsy research...

Originally Posted by EbalT5

I can understand why Jesus messed up on the timing of his coming. He didn’t know.
Matthew 24:36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.
Jesus just didn’t know the timeline. Good evidence that he is not God because God knows everything.

Fact is....there are extant manuscripts which omit 'nor the Son'....but you failed to even mention....why?

Pathetic....

I agree that it is pathetic that Trinitarians edited Scripture to suit their agenda.
Fortunately we have another witness that says Jesus did not know the timeline. Only the True God knows.
Mark 12:32
But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.

 

[EbalT5]

Scripture states that the flesh of Jesus died.

God cannot die.

What part of Jesus died on the cross?

The God part didn't die because God is immortal.
1Timothy 1:17
Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Jesus' soul didn't die because humans have immortal souls according to traditional Christianity.

Part of Jesus was in paradise with the thief on the adjacent cross so this part wasn't dead in the tomb.
Luke 23:43
And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.

His Spirit wasn't dead because it went and preached to spirits in prison. [I didn't know that God ran a prison]
1Peter 3:18-19
18For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;
19in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison,

So what died?
Jesus was so busy after the cross, entertaining the thief in paradise, preaching in prison, that it hardly seems like he was dead at all.


What did Jesus sacrifice?

 

[Kerry]

What part of Jesus died on the cross?

The God part didn't die because God is immortal.
1Timothy 1:17
Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Jesus' soul didn't die because humans have immortal souls according to traditional Christianity.

Part of Jesus was in paradise with the thief on the adjacent cross so this part wasn't dead in the tomb.
Luke 23:43
And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.

His Spirit wasn't dead because it went and preached to spirits in prison. [I didn't know that God ran a prison]
1Peter 3:18-19
18For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;
19in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison,

So what died?
Jesus was so busy after the cross, entertaining the thief in paradise, preaching in prison, that it hardly seems like he was dead at all.


What did Jesus sacrifice?

He was as much a man as He was God. He felt every whip and felt the thorns mashed into His skull. The beat Him so bad that He could not carry the cross and a man was appointed to help Him. Jesus the man sais in the garden let this cup pass from me but the God of Jesus said let your wil be done. Church was awesome today

 

[Bowman]

Re: Watch and learn, sis...

Did you miss my post on this verse?
There are about 7 baptisms in the NT and each time they are baptized in the name of Jesus and not baptised with the Trinitatian formula which is spurious.
Eusebius 4th Century Church Historian Proves Matthew 28:19 is Spurious.
The 4th Century Church Historian wrote a famous book called ""THE PROOF OF THE GOSPEL"'

In 7 places Eusebius quotes Matthew 28:19 and NEVER includes the Trinitarian formula The Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

(1) Book III, Chapter 7, 136 (a-d), p. 157

(2) Book III, Chapter 6, 132 (a), p. 152

(3) Book III, Chapter 7, 138 (c), p. 159

(4) Book IX, Chapter 11, 445 (c), p. 175

(5) Book I, Chapter 3, 6 (a), p. 20

(6) Book I, Chapter 5, 9 (a), p. 24

(7) Book I, Chapter 6, 24 (c), p. 42

This is proof that sometime after the 4th century the gospels were being edited.

When the Roman Catholic Church was "keeper" of the NT Scriptures the Monks were monkeying with the text.

Fact is, the Triune baptism formula stands un-refuted.

Its not as if you can bring forth any rules of Greek grammar which would thwart what I already posited....nor do you even make any attempt.

Further, Each Person of the Trinity has the same name, as established even back in the OT - thus, it is not a requirement to list out Father, Son & Spirit each time.