Puzzled, Why Not Talk to God About the Sabbath?

[MrsRoseTreasure]

Well written post with complete evidence and verses. However, It doesn't make any sense !!!!! The question is " CAN WE BE SAVED BY THE LAW ? " Let the Bible has the Final answer below !!!!

1. (Ephesians 2:8-9)--"For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, that no one should boast."
2. (Rom. 3:20, 28)--"because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin . . . For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law."
3. (Galatians 2:16)--"nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified."

case closed !!!!

You're taking things out of context. Let me help you out.

Adding to the passage from Ephesians:
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Eph 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
Definition Reconcile:a : to restore to friendship or harmony <reconciled the factions>
b : settle, resolve <reconcile differences>


2: to make consistent or congruous <reconcile an ideal with reality>


3: to cause to submit to or accept something unpleasant <was reconciled to hardship>
In other words, the law and Salvation come together in Messiah, they are not separated.




At the end of the passage of Romans you shared:
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
es·tab·lish verb \i-ˈsta-blish\ : to cause (someone or something) to be widely known and accepted
: to put (someone or something) in a position, role, etc., that will last for a long time
: to begin or create (something that is meant to last for a long time)




Completing the statement you shared from Galatians:
Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
Gal 2:18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
Gal 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Gal 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Christ was not a sinner. What is sin? Disobedience. Disobedience to what? God's law. This passage does not mean the law is dead, only that Messiah is the only one who can save us. It's not an invitation to go sin.

The Bible is not a McDonald's menu. You can't pick the parts you like and disregard the rest. I pray you begin to receive the fullness of the word, so that your heart will not experience deception, and you can grow in wisdom and stature in the eyes of the King. Here's some words straight from the King's mouth: Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets! I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until Heaven and Earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Whoever then annuls one of the least of these Commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven' (Matt. 5:17-19).

 

[twowitnesses]

Jesus is our sabbath, our rest. We should rest in Him every day.

 

[Mitspa]

Mt 28:1 ¶ In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulcher.
Mr 16:2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
Mr 16:9 ¶ Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
Lu 24:1 ¶ Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
Joh 20:1 ¶ The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
Joh 20:19 ¶ Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Ac 20:7 ¶ And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

1Co 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.


The Lord was raised on the first day of the week...We where raised with Him and He is fulfillment of the Sabbath rest when we cease from our own works and enter into His.


Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

 

[Word_Swordsman]

Not all Sabbath keepers are SDA. That's just an ignorant thing to say.

Let's talk about your scriptures.

Hosea: He's talking about the sacking of the temple. You've applied a wrong context to this prophecy.

Ezekiel: Taken out of context. The prophet is declaring the doom of the priests who have profaned the Sabbath. You seem to be advocating profaning the Sabbath. I'm not sure why you tried to use this one except to defend your own sin.

Matthew: Messiah doesn't say the Sabbath is profaned, he says the priests have profaned the Temple and the Sabbath. You're putting words in his mouth. He is speaking against their profaning of the Sabbath, not advocating that everyone should do it.

Romans: Taking Paul's words out of contexts will only twist a believer to their own destruction. Paul is talking about judging one another, and pointing fingers and blaming over petty matters: "Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way." Since he was a Sabbath keeping Jew, he would never have advocated that new believers should profane the Sabbath. Shame on you for accusing him of sin.

I'm going to break down Colossians for you: Colossians 2:16-17 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Let no man therefore judge you in meat, (Because Yehudim were not to eat unclean foods as the pagans did) or in drink (or drink wine offered to other gods, and strong spirit), or in respect of an holyday (the Holy Feast days, which are detailed in the Torah), or of the new moon (also designated in the Torah), or of the sabbath days: (in other words, don't let others JUDGE YOU because you do these things and they don't.)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. (The Holy Feast days and Sabbaths are rehearsals for future, prophetic events. They are "shadow" pictures of what is to come. By obeying the feasts, Sabbaths, and new moons, one is prepared for the prophetic events, and will not find their lamps lacking oil.)

Your bigotry against others who have set aside their egos and humbly accepted the true teaching of the word displays your own stiff-necked arrogant and unwilling spirit. I pray the Holy Spirit work inside of you, and help you overcome the limitations of your flesh and bring you to the greater understanding your King wants you to have, so that you can walk even closer with him daily.

"Not all Sabbath keepers are SDA. That's just an ignorant thing to say."

I didn't say they were. They are the majority that do.

"Hosea: He's talking about the sacking of the temple. You've applied a wrong context to this prophecy."

I'll end your case right off. Hosea warned of the soon destruction of the House of Israel, the northern ten tribes. The people of Judah would be spared a while longer, but they too went off into Babylonian captivity. Judah lost Solomon's temple, Jerusalem, synagogues, the religion, and became slaves. See the Prophets of the Old Testament. They came warning because the laws of Moses were being trampled. Most of their messages pertained to the end of all they cherished. Cyrus released Judah from captivity, with a partial restoration of their former, but the same profaning of all that was holy continued through Jesus' day. Finally, at 70AD the replacement "Herod's Temple was sacked and destroyed, there being nothing resembling the former Judah even today. There is still no temple, no sacrifices, nothing but shadows.

Because of the national idolatry God has put all the former things on ice, including respect for all sabbaths.

Read the first two chapters of Hosea for the first time. Obtain a study guide, one of many weitten by scholars that do know what Hosea 2:11 spoke of. Notice there is no mention of the sacking of the temple there or anywhere near that verse. The "her" is Israel, and all that pertained. Israel is over with until God restores. Sabbaths are done away with until God restores Israel to her former glory in the end times to come.

You promote the Saturday Sabbath in vain. God hates it still becasue Israel divorced from all the sabbaths. The law was abolished too, until restored in restored Israel by Jesus, way down the road from now.

Now go study the prophets. Those of the law tend to dislike reading the Prophets. That is what makes trying to keep any ordinance of the law to be evil now. You defy God doing so. In simple terms it's like a parent putting a favorite book away from a child who won't read any others. The child finds the book and reads it secretly.

 

[Kerry]

Actually to keep the Sabbath is Idolatry. Hold on now and don't shout me down. I Meant most of y'all don't shout anyway unless it's a football game. Yes to keep Sabbath is to say you do not need the Cross. Going to a meting that happens to fall on the Sabath mens nothing, except the fact that you are meting in the name of God and you can do that on any day.

 

[Kerry]

Yeah I know it's meeting and not meting, I'm not a typist as you can tell

 

[Jeff_56]

that's about as close to disrespecting God as you can get, isn't it?
imagine if someone said they believe the 1st commandment is true "Thou shall have no other gods before ME."
how bold are they !? how brash!?

and you would say that honoring by faith in Jesus the One True God Who Himself gave us the commandments , is idolatrous !?

and, if that is idolatry, then how many gods are there that you are able to serve without sinning ?

 

[Kerry]

that's about as close to disrespecting God as you can get, isn't it?
imagine if someone said they believe the 1st commandment is true "Thou shall have no other gods before ME."
how bold are they !? how brash!?

and you would say that honoring by faith in Jesus the One True God Who Himself gave us the commandments , is idolatrous !?

and, if that is idolatry, then how many gods are there that you are able to serve without sinning ?

If it's not the cross, then it's Idolatry. I meant Abortion is Idolatry.

 

[Karraster]

that's about as close to disrespecting God as you can get, isn't it?
imagine if someone said they believe the 1st commandment is true "Thou shall have no other gods before ME."
how bold are they !? how brash!?

and you would say that honoring by faith in Jesus the One True God Who Himself gave us the commandments , is idolatrous !?

and, if that is idolatry, then how many gods are there that you are able to serve without sinning ?

I wish there was a "thank you so much!" button.

 

[Jeff_56]

well, God's Word says so many times to keep, honor, and observe the Sabbath; and gentiles as well as Jews all did, including visitors to the Jews, and slaves, and animals,
and
it is one of the ten words of yahweh, that he himself wrote on the stone with his own finger of fire(double check this),
and Jesus always observed the Sabbath perfectly, (not like the talmudic keepers, who instituted man's traditions over and above Yahweh's Word),


and Jesus taught all of His disciples likewise, by Word, and by THE WORD, and by example, never deviating from doing the word; never deviating from doing what ABBA SAYS to do. (i.e. not just a hearer only, but a doer of ALL that Yahweh says to do, always in line with ALL TORAH, not picking a little here/a little there to observe).

and the sons of the devil heard Jesus also;
like the disciples also heard Jesus teach;

who did what Jesus said to do ? the sons of the devil !? NO! obviously not.
the disciples did what Jesus said to do; except again of course the son of perdition who betrayed the Savior.
and, of course,
the many disciples who walked away from Jesus saying "this is too hard"; when Jesus' word was too hard for them.

and Jesus asked Peter if he too would leave, when many other disciples who had been with them walked away.

so it is today, as it is written;

most walk away from Jesus, instead of doing what He says today, because .... ... ..
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(.... those who are appointed to life, already know; or look it up. those appointed to walk away , walk away).

Revelation 4-9,Proverbs 13,Psalm 61-65 NLT - Worship in Heaven ...

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation...‎
It fell on one-third of the rivers and on the springs of water. ... [SUP]20[/SUP] But the people
who did not die in these plagues still refused to repent of their evil .....

though God is merciful and patient, until the time is up >
2 Peter 3:9 - Bible Gateway
www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/2%20Peter%203%3A9
9 The Lord is not slow to do what he has promised, as some think. .... 9 He isn't
really being slow about his promised return, even though it sometimes seems
that way. .... He does not want anyone to be destroyed, but wants everyone to
repent.

..............
did anyone say anything about abortion earlier? i missed it. yes-it is murder, and idolatry, and selfishness, and witchcraft (in the original languages).

 

[Word_Swordsman]

that's about as close to disrespecting God as you can get, isn't it?
imagine if someone said they believe the 1st commandment is true "Thou shall have no other gods before ME."
how bold are they !? how brash!?

and you would say that honoring by faith in Jesus the One True God Who Himself gave us the commandments , is idolatrous !?

and, if that is idolatry, then how many gods are there that you are able to serve without sinning ?

Do you realize the ten commandment list is a summary of the 613 of Moses?

If you are first born male and don't take a sacrifice to the temple in Jerusalem when and as required, then keeping any other law is moot. I figure you ignore the hundreds, favoring the few, all the while guilty of all and without hope if any of your trust is in any one.

Oh, yeah, I remember, there's no temple there. Well, that means God turned His back on the whole thing. It, and the priesthood, the holy days, sabbaths, all will be back at the very end. I think you are at least 1,000 years too early to push any of it. All of Judaism, the law, the ordinances, the sabbaths, are abolished. The emphasis for Christians is on Jesus Christ, not ordinances, however sweet they are. Those keeping that to the exclusion of Christ are doomed.

The sabbath was for man, not man for the sabbath. Jesus is greater than all that. Paul said there is no allowance for pressing a holy day upon anyone, or judging anyone over that.

So why do you judge others about the weekly sabbath day in rebellion against God? It was never given to the gentiles, and was taken away from the Jews.

Why do you ignore or worse, defy, this scripture?
Colossians 2:16 (KJV) [SUP]16 [/SUP] Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Maybe this will have to be put up in a new thread if ignored again. I really don't like thread duplications, but now I see why it is considered necessary.

 

[Karraster]

Colossians 2:16 (KJV) [SUP]16 [/SUP] Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:


It is so very sad how much this verse is used to discredit all of the counsel of Almighty. Please, please, do yourself a favor and understand the context and who is being addressed, in reading/understanding scripture.

 

[DiscipleDave]

i have made a vow to God 12 years ago, not to work on a Sunday, Which at that time i thought was Sunday.
i have not worked on a Sunday for over 12 years now. NOT because i am keeping the Sabbath, but because i made a vow to God, and i am going to keep it.
Jesus, nor any Apostle ever instructed us to continue to Keep the Sabbath
Those verses that people use to say we are i have addressed in my article concerning Keeping the Sabbath.

God Bless

^i^

 

[Mitspa]

Colossians 2:16 (KJV) [SUP]16 [/SUP] Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:


It is so very sad how much this verse is used to discredit all of the counsel of Almighty. Please, please, do yourself a favor and understand the context and who is being addressed, in reading/understanding scripture.

Its Gods Word...and it upholds the Cross of Jesus Christ! sad how some discredit the Lords Cross through their attempts to justify themselves through dead works of the law.

 

[DiscipleDave]

Colossians 2:16 (KJV) [SUP]16 [/SUP] Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:


It is so very sad how much this verse is used to discredit all of the counsel of Almighty. Please, please, do yourself a favor and understand the context and who is being addressed, in reading/understanding scripture.

The problem with this verse, is people use this verse false to teach that you MUST keep the Sabbath. And the verse does not say that at all. Now if someone chooses to keep the Sabbath, then let them do so, that is what the verse is teaching.
But for one to say a person must keep the Sabbath, that is wrong. likewise a person who says you can't keep the Sabbath, is also wrong. If someone wants to keep the Sabbath, let them be, to the Lord they keep the Sabbath, if someone does not want to keep the Sabbath, to the Lord they do not keep the Sabbath.

^i^

 

[Karraster]

i have made a vow to God 12 years ago, not to work on a Sunday, Which at that time i thought was Sunday.
i have not worked on a Sunday for over 12 years now. NOT because i am keeping the Sabbath, but because i made a vow to God, and i am going to keep it.
Jesus, nor any Apostle ever instructed us to continue to Keep the Sabbath
Those verses that people use to say we are i have addressed in my article concerning Keeping the Sabbath.

God Bless

^i^

show me one verse where the Almighty sanctified and blessed Sunday, then told us to keep Sunday set apart? Show me where He said Sunday was a sign, an everlasting covenant. I won't be holding my breath, there is not one.

 

[DiscipleDave]

i have made a vow to God 12 years ago, not to work on a Sunday, Which at that time i thought was Sunday.
i have not worked on a Sunday for over 12 years now. NOT because i am keeping the Sabbath, but because i made a vow to God, and i am going to keep it.
Jesus, nor any Apostle ever instructed us to continue to Keep the Sabbath
Those verses that people use to say we are i have addressed in my article concerning Keeping the Sabbath.

God Bless

^i^

show me one verse where the Almighty sanctified and blessed Sunday, then told us to keep Sunday set apart? Show me where He said Sunday was a sign, an everlasting covenant. I won't be holding my breath, there is not one.

Friend, i think you are confused. i have never said otherwise.
You ask "show me one verse where the Almighty sanctified and blessed Sunday," Can't, because it doesn't. Have i said otherwise?
You ask "then told us to keep Sunday set apart?" Can't, because it doesn't. Have i said otherwise?
You ask "Show me where He said Sunday was a sign, an everlasting covenant." Can't, because it doesn't. But i have not said otherwise.

^i^

 

[directline2iam]

Lev 25:4...Is not Sunday a part of the week, a part of a month, a part of a year? Therefore acording to scripture, Sunday is sanctified and blessed as a holy convocation.

 

[Karraster]

Friend, i think you are confused. i have never said otherwise.
You ask "show me one verse where the Almighty sanctified and blessed Sunday," Can't, because it doesn't. Have i said otherwise?
You ask "then told us to keep Sunday set apart?" Can't, because it doesn't. Have i said otherwise?
You ask "Show me where He said Sunday was a sign, an everlasting covenant." Can't, because it doesn't. But i have not said otherwise.

^i^

Thanks for being honest it is your personal preference, and not that Almighty told you to do it.

 

[Mitspa]

show me one verse where the Almighty sanctified and blessed Sunday, then told us to keep Sunday set apart? Show me where He said Sunday was a sign, an everlasting covenant. I won't be holding my breath, there is not one.

Here is a clue...His Son was raised on the first day of the week...and set us free from the law of Moses.