Once a person is sealed by the Holy Spirit, can this seal be broken?

[Brainfreeze]

2 Timothy 2:18
Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

once wise became fools

This is the next verse...

19Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, YAHWEH knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

 

[ChristIsGod]

1Peter 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away His people which he foreknew.

Rom 8:29 For whom He did foreknow

Those that He foreknew would love Him of their own freewill and be faithful unto death -

Overcomed -

2Pe 2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
2Pet 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
2Pet 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

or Overcomers -

1John 2:12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for His Name's sake.
1John 2:13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known Him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.
1John 2:14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known Him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the Word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.


Just to say, I voted.

 

[ELECT]

Yahshua is talking about a confused heart here... He doesn't know where he's going or coming from... No plan, no intent... Just wondering, fighting himself

While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light.

 

[ELECT]

1Peter 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away His people which he foreknew.

Rom 8:29 For whom He did foreknow

Those that He foreknew would love Him of their own freewill and be faithful unto death -

Overcomed -

2Pe 2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
2Pet 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
2Pet 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

or Overcomers -

1John 2:12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for His Name's sake.
1John 2:13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known Him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.
1John 2:14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known Him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the Word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.


Just to say, I voted.

Were these people onced sealed ?

2Pet 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

 

[ChristIsGod]

How come we can't see the poll results?

 

[Brainfreeze]

How come we can't see the poll results?

It's at the top of my screen, after voting... 7-6... Two undecided

 

[ChristIsGod]

Thank you for your reply, Brother Brainfreeze.

What I mean is - on the Christmas Poll you could pop the # and see who voted what.

I just checked that one again and I still can, but not on this poll. Is there a "closed poll" option or something like that? I've never done a poll.

Anyway -- my answer was in my post - that I voted "no".

 

[ChristIsGod]

Oh, Brother Elect - God isn't wasteful. Why would He waste Seals - they don't come cheap - ya know ... if He foreknows.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

I'm sorry, but you simply don't know what you're talking about and such could eventually prove to be deadly for you (in that you're foolishly embracing the lie of "once saved, always saved" to your own possible peril) if you don't adjust your beliefs in accordance to what the scriptures actually teach. For starters, MANY PEOPLE in the Old Testament had the Holy Spirit IN THEM. Here are some examples of the same:

"And Pharaoh said unto his servants, Can we find such a one as this is, a man in whom the Spirit of God is?" (Genesis 41:38)

Yes, Joseph had the Spirit of God IN HIM.

"Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?" (Isaiah 63:11)

Yes, Moses had the Holy Spirit WITHIN HIM.

"And the spirit entered into me when he spake unto me, and set me upon my feet, that I heard him that spake unto me." (Ezekiel 2:2)

Yes, Ezekiel had the Spirit of God IN HIM (see also Ezekiel 3:24)

"But at the last Daniel came in before me, whose name was Belteshazzar, according to the name of my god, and in whom is the spirit of the holy gods: and before him I told the dream, saying, O Belteshazzar, master of the magicians, because I know that the spirit of the holy gods is in thee, and no secret troubleth thee, tell me the visions of my dream that I have seen, and the interpretation thereof." (Daniel 4:8-9)

Yes, Daniel had the Holy Spirit IN HIM.

Etc., etc., etc.

Numbers 11:17, 25,26 And I will come down and talk with thee there: and I will take of the spirit which is upon thee, and will put it upon them; and they shall bear the burden of the people with thee that thou bear it not thyself alone. And the LORD came down in a cloud, and spake unto him and took of the spirit that was upon him, and gave it unto the seventy elders: and it came to pass that when the spirit rested upon them, they prophesied and did not cease. But there remained two of the men in the camp, the name of the one was Eldad and the name of the other Medad: and the spirit rested upon them and they were of them that were written, but went not out uinto the tabernacle and they prophesied in the camp.

Numbers 24:2 And Balaam lifted up his eyes, and he saw Israel abiding in his tents according to their tribes; and the spirit of God came upon him.

Judges 3:10 And the Spirit of the LORD came upon him, and he judged Israel and went out to war: and the LORD delivered Chusan-rish-a-thaim king of Mesopotamia into his hand and his hand prevailed against Chushan-rish-a-thaim.
(Caleb's younger brother)
[Judges 6:34 Gideon; Judges 11:29 Jephthah; Judges 14:6, 14:19, 15:14 Samson; 1 Sam. 10:6,10 11:6; 1 Sam. 16:13 David; 1 Sam. 19:20 Saul's men v23 Saul; 2 Kings 2:9; 2 Chronicles 24:20; Isaiah 11:2; etc. etc. etc.)

BTW - I haven't used the term OSAS - I only know that God promised me eternal life if I believe on his Son Jesus Christ. God does not go back on his promises. I know also that John 7:38,39 is not a lie - "the Holy Spirit had not yet been given because Jesus was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified".

IOW, what I just provided is by no means an exhaustive list. In fact, ALL OF THE OLD TESTAMENT PROPHETS, had "the Spirit of Christ IN THEM":

"Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow." (I Peter 1:10-11)

How could the OT prophets know about "Christ in you" since it was a mystery which was kept secret since the world began? They inquired and searched diligently - Searching out what manner of time - had to have been the NT prophets . .

Furthermore, here is what Jesus had to say about "the foolish virgins":

"Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh." (Matthew 25:1-13)

For starters, "the foolish virgins" were just that: virgins. IOW, Jesus didn't designate them as "whores", "harlots", "adulteresses" or anything else impure, but instead as "virgins" which, by implication, has to do with chastity and purity.

IOW, we have no reason to believe that they were anything but the types of "chaste virgins" that Paul spoke of elsewhere:

II Corinthians chapter 11

[1] Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.
[2] For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
[3] But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
[4] For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

As Paul feared that these "chaste virgins" might be led astray, so, too, was Christ speaking of "virgins" who foolishly fell away.

Secondly, "the foolish virgins" all "took their lamps" with them or all started on their journey to meet the Bridegroom with "the light" of the gospel or with "the light" of Christ.

Thirdly, "the foolish virgins" not only "took their lamps", but they were initially being fueled by "oil", which, as I trust we all know, is a type of the Holy Spirit or a type of God's anointing. Oh, they did eventually run out of "oil", seeing how they hadn't brought a surplus of the same with them, but they did all start out with oil burning lamps, nonetheless. As such, to even suggest that these "foolish virgins" NEVER had the Holy Spirit is to deceive or delude one's self.

Fourthly, "the foolish virgins" all responded to the "cry" to "go out and meet the Bridgegroom" Who is Christ. Is this how the unsaved or is this how those who allegedly NEVER had the Holy Spirit would respond? Again, let's not kid ourselves.

Fifthly, "the foolish virgins" sought to obtain "oil" from "the wise virgins". Again, having run out of their original supply of "oil" or having lost the Holy Spirit's presence in their own lives, these "foolish virgins" once again sought the same.

Sixthly, "the foolish virgins" actually went out to purchase such "oil" AGAIN, didn't they? Yes, they most certainly did.

Lastly, "the foolish virgins" ultimately HAD THE DOOR SHUT TO THEM or they were ultimately LOST.

Yes, friends, Jesus' parable in relation to "the foolish virgins" had everything to do with "enduring to the end to be saved"...just as many of His other parables dealt with exactly the same thing and just as the rest of the Bible teaches the same.

Parables teach by story telling but should not be leaned upon as doctrine. This parable is related to the context of the second coming of Christ. A secondary application can be made to the body of Christ much in the same fashion -- we also are to be prepared for the coming of the Lord. Applicable to the body of Christ - only those baptized into Christ and regenerated by the Spirit of God will be eligible for inclusion.

There are only TWO things in life that are CERTAIN - birth and death. We were all born of the flesh and this body of flesh will die [if the Lord tarries]. God used and had reason to use the word "born", "begotten" and "born again" when talking about the body of Christ - birth is permanent.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

There is sin in ignorance

To sin may be ignorant - but we know to walk by the Spirit and we know what it means to walk by the Spirit - therefore no sin is done in ignorance.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

THE CONTEXT is one of "drawing back UNTO PERDITION" (Hebrews 10:39).[/COLOR][/FONT]

BUT WE ARE NOT OF THEM who draw back unto perdition - but of them who believe to the saving of the soul.

v38 says that God will have no pleasure in them that draw back.

 

[ELECT]

Nope - the holy Spirit was not given until Jesus ascended.

John 7:38,39 He that believeth on me as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Before Acts 2 - no one was "born" of the Spirit. [except John the Baptist; "from his mother's womb"] God placed his Spirit upon certain believers in the Old Testament and upon the apostles in the Gospels.

this is just ridiculous seriously it is a parable yet you will say that the wise had the Holy Spirit

my friend the foollish once had the Holy Spirit and lost it read the chapter it deal with Christ when he comes

 

[ELECT]

To sin may be ignorant - but we know to walk by the Spirit and we know what it means to walk by the Spirit - therefore no sin is done in ignorance.

someone can sin and dont know they have sin

 

[ELECT]

Numbers 11:17, 25,26 And I will come down and talk with thee there: and I will take of the spirit which is upon thee, and will put it upon them; and they shall bear the burden of the people with thee that thou bear it not thyself alone. And the LORD came down in a cloud, and spake unto him and took of the spirit that was upon him, and gave it unto the seventy elders: and it came to pass that when the spirit rested upon them, they prophesied and did not cease. But there remained two of the men in the camp, the name of the one was Eldad and the name of the other Medad: and the spirit rested upon them and they were of them that were written, but went not out uinto the tabernacle and they prophesied in the camp.

Numbers 24:2 And Balaam lifted up his eyes, and he saw Israel abiding in his tents according to their tribes; and the spirit of God came upon him.

Judges 3:10 And the Spirit of the LORD came upon him, and he judged Israel and went out to war: and the LORD delivered Chusan-rish-a-thaim king of Mesopotamia into his hand and his hand prevailed against Chushan-rish-a-thaim.
(Caleb's younger brother)
[Judges 6:34 Gideon; Judges 11:29 Jephthah; Judges 14:6, 14:19, 15:14 Samson; 1 Sam. 10:6,10 11:6; 1 Sam. 16:13 David; 1 Sam. 19:20 Saul's men v23 Saul; 2 Kings 2:9; 2 Chronicles 24:20; Isaiah 11:2; etc. etc. etc.)

BTW - I haven't used the term OSAS - I only know that God promised me eternal life if I believe on his Son Jesus Christ. God does not go back on his promises. I know also that John 7:38,39 is not a lie - "the Holy Spirit had not yet been given because Jesus was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified".

How could the OT prophets know about "Christ in you" since it was a mystery which was kept secret since the world began? They inquired and searched diligently - Searching out what manner of time - had to have been the NT prophets . .

Parables teach by story telling but should not be leaned upon as doctrine. This parable is related to the context of the second coming of Christ. A secondary application can be made to the body of Christ much in the same fashion -- we also are to be prepared for the coming of the Lord. Applicable to the body of Christ - only those baptized into Christ and regenerated by the Spirit of God will be eligible for inclusion.

There are only TWO things in life that are CERTAIN - birth and death. We were all born of the flesh and this body of flesh will die [if the Lord tarries]. God used and had reason to use the word "born", "begotten" and "born again" when talking about the body of Christ - birth is permanent.

The foolish were part ofthe body of Christ learn the parable of the tare and wheat

 

[ELECT]

BUT WE ARE NOT OF THEM who draw back unto perdition - but of them who believe to the saving of the soul.

v38 says that God will have no pleasure in them that draw back.

these are the foolish virgins like lots wife she was called out as wise but looked back and became foolish ?

 

[peacefulbeliever]

this is just ridiculous seriously it is a parable yet you will say that the wise had the Holy Spirit

my friend the foollish once had the Holy Spirit and lost it read the chapter it deal with Christ when he comes

The "foolish" weren't prepared to begin with . . . .

 

[peacefulbeliever]

this is just ridiculous seriously it is a parable yet you will say that the wise had the Holy Spirit

my friend the foollish once had the Holy Spirit and lost it read the chapter it deal with Christ when he comes

ELECT - Does it not say in John 7:38,39 that the Holy Spirit was not yet given because Jesus was not yet glorified?

ELECT - Was the day of Pentecost the birth of the church, the body of Christ with the outpouring of the Holy Spirit? Acts 2

Now you can say that what I post is ridiculous but it is the word of God and we either believe it or we don't. These two things stated here - simple and pure in what they say.

 

[ELECT]

The "foolish" weren't prepared to begin with . . . .

seemes like you are otherwise

they were virgins thus they accepted Christ and got the Holy Spirit the hid there talents and became foolish there lamps went out re read the passage all were waiting or prepared some were wisely prepared

 

[ELECT]

ELECT - Does it not say in John 7:38,39 that the Holy Spirit was not yet given because Jesus was not yet glorified?

ELECT - Was the day of Pentecost the birth of the church, the body of Christ with the outpouring of the Holy Spirit? Acts 2

Now you can say that what I post is ridiculous but it is the word of God and we either believe it or we don't. These two things stated here - simple and pure in what they say.

What does this mean ?
John 20:22-23King James Version (KJV)

22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

 

[ELECT]

ELECT - Does it not say in John 7:38,39 that the Holy Spirit was not yet given because Jesus was not yet glorified?

ELECT - Was the day of Pentecost the birth of the church, the body of Christ with the outpouring of the Holy Spirit? Acts 2

Now you can say that what I post is ridiculous but it is the word of God and we either believe it or we don't. These two things stated here - simple and pure in what they say.

When was Jesus glorified ?