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The_highwayman
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Righteousness actually means: RIGHT STANDING OR RIGHT RELATIONSHIP, not doing right.
Doing right comes from understanding position and love and has nothing at all to do with righteousness.
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Righteousness actually means: RIGHT STANDING OR RIGHT RELATIONSHIP, not doing right.
Doing right comes from understanding position and love and has nothing at all to do with righteousness.
It means right doing. It's not possible for one to have a right standing before God by wrong doing.
How can "YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS" exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees if righteousness has nothing with 'doing'?
1 Jn 3:10 "In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother."
Obviously righteousness is something done. and Jon says he that continues to not do righteousness continues to not be of God. Therefore one must DO righteousness to be of God.
Psa 106:3 "Blessed are they that keep judgment, and he that doeth righteousness at all times."
Eze 18:24 "But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die"
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The_highwayman
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Doeth means to ACQUIRE, TO MAKE, TO BE MADE.
John is stating those who do not acquire or are made righteous are not of God. Only God can give you righteousness....
The KJV archaic "doeth" means to do, something done, an act.
In 1 Jn 3:10 "doeth" is active voice, the subject does the 'action'.
John said "doeth" not "made".
Psa 119:172 "My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness."
God's commandments = God's righteousness.
Therefore one that doeth not God's commandments are not of God.
Rom 10:3 Paul said the Jews were lost for they have not "submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God". THe Jews were lost for they would not obey the commandments of God, they have not all obeyed the gospel, Rom 10:16.
When will you admit to God that you cannot do righteousness? Rom 3:12 You cannot get saved until you first admit that you are lost.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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The_highwayman
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your translating English and not the Greek
Rom 10.3 is about the Jews rejecting Jesus who became SIN for the Jews and in return the Jews would have been made the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus, but instead they chose to ignore the righteousness of God and went about to establish their own form of righteousness<<<<<<<<<<which was obeying God's Law and commands
You need to add Vs. 4-10 to VS.3 for proper context. I wonder if you omit VS. 4-10 because it completely refutes what you have been saying.
SO lets do Romans 10.3-10 shall we:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
[SUP]9 [/SUP]That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
It is evident your COC theology seeks to keep you bound and keep you under the sin-consciousnesses
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AtonedFor
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When will you admit to God that you REJECT many Scripture verses?
The least thou could doest would be to explain: what they mean, why they are false, etc.
So, get started with the following:
“… whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him.” (Acts 10:35)
“… we, having died to sins, might live for (the practicing of) righteousness” (1 Peter 2:24)
“… you know that everyone who practices righteousness is born of Him.” (1 John 2:29)
“… let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous” (1 John 3:7)
“But you, O man of God, flee these things (sins) and pursue righteousness” (1 Timothy 6:11)
Choose to be “... (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness" (Romans 6:16)
“... so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness” (Romans 6:19)
“Pursue ... holiness, without which no one will see the Lord" (Hebrews 12:14)
“All Scripture… is profitable for … instruction in (practicing) righteousness” (2 Timothy 3:16)
••• “In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest:
Whoever does NOT practice righteousness is NOT of God” (1 John 3:10)
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The_highwayman
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The word practice translated form the Greek here means to Make or Made unto, and has zero to do with the English meaning of practice which is repeated exercise in or performance of an activity or skill so as to acquire or maintain proficiency in it.
So with proper study we could state:
… let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous” (1 John 3:7)
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… let no one deceive you. He who is made righteousness is righteous” (1 John 3:7)
The NASB uses practice and the KJV uses doeth and they both mean to make, or made unto, or rendered.
God has told man to do righteousness to be saved. So if man cannot do God's righteousness then there was no sense in God telling men to do righteousness to be saved/enter the kingdom of heaven.
Rom 3:10-12 is not an indictment of every single person as can be seen from Psa 14 which Paul quoted.
your translating English and not the Greek
Rom 10.3 is about the Jews rejecting Jesus who became SIN for the Jews and in return the Jews would have been made the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus, but instead they chose to ignore the righteousness of God and went about to establish their own form of righteousness<<<<<<<<<<which was obeying God's Law and commands
You need to add Vs. 4-10 to VS.3 for proper context. I wonder if you omit VS. 4-10 because it completely refutes what you have been saying.
SO lets do Romans 10.3-10 shall we:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
[SUP]9 [/SUP]That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
It is evident your COC theology seeks to keep you bound and keep you under the sin-consciousnesses
Rom 10:1 Paul says the fleshly Jews were lost. And in verse 3 Paul tells us why they were lost for they went about to establish their OWN righteousness. They could be saved if they would submit/obey the righteousness/commandments of God.
You said yourself those Jews ignored the righteousness of God. They did ignore God's righteousness/commandments as seen by the fact they would not submit/obey the righteous commandments of God.
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I find it interesting you never talk about Jesus.....He is the way, the truth and the life and he knew no sin, but was made sin, so you could be the righteousness of God in him.
They would have been saved had they would submit and accept Jesus as their high priest, but they rejected him and continued to follow their own self righteousness.
Submitting to God and obeying his commands do not save you...
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The_highwayman
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This is going to lead you straight to the gates of hell friend. your good works are not righteous enough to get you to heaven.
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AtonedFor
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How many times must it be explained to you?
Scripture insists that believers must maintain the combo package of
the gift of grace-faith ... AND ... good works (which prove that faith is genuine).
But, good works ALONE do not prove anything (except the person is not saved).
Now, if Scripture is lying to us, I stand corrected.
P.S. IMO, the easy-belief and easy-grace verses assume that ...
the believer's great appreciation will result in his/her faith enduring forever!
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The_highwayman
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For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Your insistence that James 2 be added to the above scripture is false.
Heb 5:9 "And being made perfect, he (Christ) became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;"
Lk 6:46 "And why call ye me (Christ), Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?"
J 14:15 "If ye love me (Christ), keep my commandments."
In Rom 10:1-3 those Jews would have been saved if they would have "submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God."
"Submitted" carries the kdea of obeying.
"righteousness of God" is God's commandments, Pas 119:172 > "all Thy commandments are righteousness"
Therefore the Jews were lost for they would not obey the commandments of God. These Jews would not believe with the heart or confess with the mouth, i.e., would not obey the gospel, Rom 10:9,10,16.
So not "submitting to God and obeying His commands" is the very reason why the Jews were lost and why they remained lost.
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Thieves or covetiousness? I was thinking about that 'pastor' that lied to his people about tithing in order to bilk them. Naah! Never mine!
See my sig line below.....
1 Jn 3:10 the one that continues to NOT do righteousness is the one that continues to NOT be of God.
That means the only way to be of God is by working righteousness, Acts 10:35; Mt 5:20.
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you COC's believe in works and obedience lead to salvation and that is 100% contrary to the word, you do so at your own peril...
Rom 10:3 "For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God."
Paul spells it out very plainly those Jews were lost for they have NOT submitted unto the righteousness of God.
Paul also said in Rom 6:16 "....obedience unto righteousness..."
Those that will not submit to God's righteousness are the ones at peril.
