Playing the Victim Card

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hoss2576

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Have you ever encountered people who seem to find their identity as being the victim?

Not to sound funny, but I have a sister who seems to relish the role of victim. I might share with her that I had a sprained ankle, and she would profess that she thought her leg was broken. If I got a dent in my jeep, then her car was totaled. It is as if I share bad news, she has to have something worse happen. She doesn't want my bad news to take away from her victim-ness. When she talks, she basically only talks about the bad events that are happening. It goes beyond being a pessimist. It is a combination of the pessimism wrapped up with blaming every problem on others. These people can list every bad event that has happened to them.

How do you relate to these type of people? Do you find yourself pulled toward trying to get them to change the way they see their lives? Do you try to minimize exposure to these people in order not to get dragged into the emotionally draining dispair they seem to emit?
 
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I work with a guy who plays the victim card a lot. They're not very sympathetic to others at all...
 
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MissCris

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It drives me completely bonkers when people act like victims all the time. I think everyone is capable of being negative and blaming others sometimes, but the people out there who live their entire lives this way....

How exhausting must that be? Honestly? To be constantly finding excuses for why things aren't their fault, or being forever depressed because nothing good EVER happens to them, or being alone all the time because they firmly believe everyone is out to get them somehow...I can't imagine living that way.

I've been around a lot of people like this, in the past. I used to try and help somehow, try to share some of my (excessive, at times) optimism, or at the very least just be there for them and listen to their stories...but it drained me. It started to make me really angry, too, that these people could see that there was a problem, they knew something was really messed up in their lives, but they never tried to change it. It was easier to sit and complain and blame the problem on everything from bad luck to being picked on by God to having a bad home life, than to try and fix things or better their lives.

To answer your questions-
I can't relate to the victim mentality. I've tried. I've even gone through times in my life where I felt like a victim or blamed things on circumstance or whatever else. But I can't understand when people are chronic victims. I've learned it's best for me to stay away from them, since I finally realized that they aren't looking for help. I have nothing to offer them (aside from prayer), and I can't afford to be dragged into their despair with them.

I feel like my answer is really cold...I don't really know how to warm it up though :/
 

PopClick

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But if everything is someone else's fault, then they don't have to do any work! Because there's nothing they can do to fix anything! ;)

There was a girl I talked to for a while, and this thread reminds me of her. She was a cutter, and had a horrible home life. She didn't get much (if any) love from her parents. She would tell me about all of the bad things that were happening in her life, and when I would ask her if anything, anything good had happened that day, she would say "No. Nothing good ever happens." "Really", I would say, "you didn't walk past any flowers today, or hear a nice song, or look at the stars, or put on your favorite hoodie, or..." Finally I started asking her things like "What's your favorite fruit", and then thanking God for watermelon or whatever she said. Or her favorite season, which was Autumn. What do you like about Autumn? The leaves? Then let's take a minute and thank God for the leaves, please. Because you're killing me with all this negativity.

I wrote a cc blog post a few days ago about our perspectives. I know how easy it is to slip into "stinking thinking". But it makes EVERYTHING worse. It doesn't help us, it just makes our lives miserable. Why would we want that? Is sympathy a good trade for misery? I thinketh not.
 
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Siberian_Khatru

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Isn't this akin to a martyr complex? Many of us relate to weakness in some way. I may not relate to the ad nauseam of it, but I try to find and express empathy whenever I can muster it. The trouble is to not be empathetic to a fault, i.e, don't reinforce or encourage the behavior.
 
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I can tell by the tone of this thread already that many types of people are going to be lumped into a category then trashed.
 

hoss2576

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I can tell by the tone of this thread already that many types of people are going to be lumped into a category then trashed.
This tone should be right up your alley unless you have a different take on it.
 

Roh_Chris

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I am a person who oftentimes found solace in being the "tragic hero". I know this is quite different from the "victim", but it shares the same basis - the affinity for negativity.

I only have one cure for this and it is not an instant one, that too. It requires a lot of training spiritually and psychologically. It will take time and effort, plus many a friendly shove along the way. I try to minimize my exposure to such negative people because I can easily be brought down. It will only take me half an hour with a negative person to end up feeling low.
 
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MissCris

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I can tell by the tone of this thread already that many types of people are going to be lumped into a category then trashed.
Thereby victimizing victims? :confused:
 
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JustAnotherUser

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I'll admit it - I may be one of those people. Or, at least was, because the way I was not too long ago may have been (at least partially) the reason why some friendships broke off. Trying to tone it down a bit but sometimes it fails. If I were to see such person as me I'd probably want to slap them myself... And I'm not just saying this due to the sympathetic bit, but it can be one reason.

I will say that some may crave for the sympathy, others may not realize that they're doing it and it would still give off that they're fishing for some. You can't really know which side they may be on, unfortunately. If you find some sort of outlet to vent and let the built up frustrations and depression out, you can tend to take such thing for granted until that outlet loses its energy, sort of speak.

Overall, it's not healthy to maintain such connection on both ends. Just like it's not healthy to stem such connections through issues that are beyond an ordinary person's control with no training to help those who are depressed. As for those who do such solely for attention... Well, I probably won't say anything other than that they'll also reap what they sow.
 
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Unless someone can justify playing the victim card!lol

We live in a world where if you can justify it, it'll be okay to do it. Bitterness and justification are cruel partners of choas.
 

seoulsearch

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This is such a good question (thank you for bringing it up, Hoss)! I don't want to rehash some of the terrific observations others have made here, but I did want to share a few thoughts.

To be fair, I don't know what it would be like to go through some of the things other people go through. I've known some people who have gone through daily abuse and/or a crippling disability or disease that literally affects every minute of their life. I'm thinking of many people I've known in the past, including co-workers, and in particular, a prison inmate I used to correspond with. This person grew up between two households with four parents--two of whom were very aggressive and abusive, and two of whom were very passive and never stood up to the abusive parents. No matter which household he went to, he was subjected to horrible things, and his life fell into a terrible downward spiral that has given him a Life Without Parole sentence.

I am certainly NOT saying all people who go through something will become criminals!!! But what I AM saying is, how do we as Christians properly react to people who are caught in a vicious cycle of blaming everyone else, their situations, and even the devil himself for their own bad decisions? I struggle with this because one of the reasons inmates interest me is because... I feel I can relate to them. I was spared so much in own life but if I had gone through what they were dealing with (what MANY people deal with themselves on a daily basis), I know I would have become a much different person (possible with my own prison sentence as well.)

I think we have a good example of how God deals with "playing the victim" right off the bat. When Adam and Eve finally came forward after sinning, they couldn't even bring themselves to admit they had eaten the forbidden fruit. Rather, it was someone else's fault: "The woman you put here... she gave me the fruit, and I ate it..." "The serpent deceived me... and I ate."

How does God deal with each situation? He allowed each participant to explain their side of the story. And then He turned to everyone involved individually and said, "What is this YOU have done?"

I think we have a very accurate picture here of how God Himself deals with "The Victim Card." First, He allows the person to speak for themselves and give their own account of what happened. Next, He asks all who are involved what their side of the story is.

And then, He hands out correction and punishment accordingly. Of course, it may not be our place in the given situation to correct or punish. BUT, we have a clear example of how these situations are to be handled: listen to what the person has to say (within reason--Adam and Eve had no room to continuously repeat their stories), but keep in mind, God listens, understands, and I'm sure even sympathizes, but His ultimate question will be: "What is it YOU have done?"

In other words, He holds the person responsible for their actions.

I once read of a Christian psychologist who specializes in work with sexual abuse victims. He was especially frustrated with a particular case because no matter how much they prayed and did all they knew to do, his patient was not being healed. After much prayer and seeking God, this doctor had a revelation, and a very uneasy confrontation with his patient.

He told his patient, "I believe God has told me why you're not being healed. He's saying that when things started, the neighbor who abused you was at fault. However, eventually, you started going over to their house BY CHOICE, knowing full well what would happen, but deciding to go there anyway, and until you repent of this, our sessions won't make any further progress."

I am certainly NOT saying at all that victims of abuse are somehow to blame. There certainly are cases in which the victim is not at fault for anything.

However, my point is, God does not accept blame. Rather, He asks us all to bring whatever we've been through or are going through to Him to deal with, even if it takes a long time to sort through, and then go on to make better choices about our own actions.
 
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I think we have all done this

I used to like to feel awful about myself so that someone would tell me "your not that bad, your really a good guy" That's what self-deprecation does - it's really reverse pride.

I am stammered at professing Christians who play this card, and refuse to see the freedom in Jesus Christ. Always talking with a big "sigh" oh life, it's so awful, like Eeyore - I was this guy in a way, but I have seen people take this even further, and there are people on CC who have had worse experiences and they are in a much better place!




If I found victory in Christ over Bipolar Manic - over depression - then there is hope to those who seek it - the problem is people love their sinful ways, and want to stay in it, when Jesus came to give life
 
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MissCris

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To be fair, I don't know what it would be like to go through some of the things other people go through. I've known some people who have gone through daily abuse and/or a crippling disability or disease that literally affects every minute of their life.
There are people out there who truly are victims, or were at some point. Things happen to people that are in no way, shape, or form their own fault (abuse victims, rape victims, people who are diagnosed with a disease or disorder, etc.) People who experience these things should NOT accept blame for them- however, there comes a point where they have to accept responsibility for how they act, how they treat others, how they look at the world. Sometimes we hear about/see such an inspiring story about someone who has been through hell, and the common theme in these stories is that while yes, life threw them a curve ball, and while yes, it totally turned their world upside down, and yes, they felt angry about it (maybe even for a really long time), they decided at some point not to be a victim.

There was a girl I grew up going to church with, she was only a few months older than me, and several years ago, she was diagnosed with cancer (I think it was a tumor in her brain, though I can't remember exactly now). I wasn't close with her, and I only read her story in the newspaper and heard bits of it from others who knew her better, but it was a tragic thing that she chose to make into something beautiful; she refused to turn her back on God, she refused to become bitter and angry, and she lived as normal a life as possible.

She died within months of being diagnosed. She knew she was going to die. And instead of allowing herself to be a victim, which would have been completely understandable, she accepted that something horrible had happened (and would happen), and she lived the rest of her days in an inspiring way.



I don't mean to "pick on" anybody in my posts here- I absolutely feel sympathy for some of the things people have been through that got them where they are now; it's the choices they make to remain stuck on what's happened to them and to let that dictate how they act and feel that gets me, that I can't understand.
 

Jimbone

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I have a brother that lives his life by doing this perpetually, forever. His is the example this whole world needs to look at and emulate. It reminds me of a line in "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade", in the beginning where young Indi was running out of a cave as he was being chased and his whole boy shout troop was gone, then he says "everybody's lost but me". It is so very sad to me that he lives his life this way, and I have no idea what to do or how to approach it. I do know what you mean though, it can get real bad.
 
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Sirk

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I think of it as a pain cycle. People like this are typically stuck.... first believing a lie that they tell themselves and then employing a coping skill to function. Usually it starts with a feeling of inadequacy of some sort, and then it manifests as a behavior like control, passive aggressiveness, invalidation, critical, manipulative....etc.
 
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So how do you deal with someone like this is the question? First of all you have to ask yourself if it is worth it and if you are strong enough to not get drained by them. Then it would be a combination of being assertive with them in a loving way with how you experience them as well as validating them as a fellow human being.
 

Fenner

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I do deal with someone like this. I've learned to ignore it for the most part. It's always her doing all the work, always her taking the burden of things. I know that's not true because I've been at some of these things that she's always "working so hard", she isn't the only one. I take everything she says with a grain of salt. Unfortunately someday she might be telling the truth and no one will believe her. She's the gal that cried wolf to many times.