Catholic Heresy (for the record)

[Jeff_56]

(edit added after seeing the previous post) almost all such prayers are idolatrous. within the rcc, they all are, of necessity.
they are contrary to Scripture in all that they do. that's why they fit the definition
the disciples of Jesus call them "heretical", as defined by Scripture being opposed to God and Jesus and Scripture.


We are all to do the will of the Father. Me, you, Kenneth, ALL who called to be His.

To do the Father's Will, we have to trust Him and do as He says. Jesus says "come to Me, and I will show you how. I know you don't know how." (because He knows what is in men) Most men on earth do not listen to Jesus, especially those who are popular or religious.

Matthew 12:47-50Revised Standard Version (RSV)
[SUP]48 [/SUP]But he replied to the man who told him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” [SUP]49 [/SUP]And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers! [SUP]50 [/SUP]For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother, and sister, and mother.”

Did Mary not do the will of the Father?

 

[GaryA]

2. Mary promises to pray for us before Jesus.

How do you [ absolutely ] know that Mary has [ actually ] promised "to pray for us before Jesus"...???

 

[ThomistColin]

How do you [ absolutely ] know that Mary has [ actually ] promised "to pray for us before Jesus"...???

Because all of the saints pray for us before Christ. Or did John see wrongly when he was given a vision of Heaven?

 

[Jackson123]

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In this pray Mary is Holy mother of God.

God exist before Mary, Mary is only temporary mother of God on earth. She is God Creation and no longer mother of God anymore.

I believe this pray is to praise Queen of Heaven, the goddess of Rome religion.

If recite rosary for the purpose of unceasing pray, the question is unceasing pray to who?

Did the bible teach us to unceasing pray to god and Mary, or God alone?


Litany pray


Lord have mercy.
Christ have mercy.
Lord have mercy.
Christ hear us.
Christ graciously hear us.God, the Father of heaven,
have mercy on us.God the Son, Redeemer of the world,
God the Holy Spirit,
Holy Trinity, one God,Holy Mary,
pray for us.
Holy Mother of God,
Holy Virgin of virgins,
Mother of Christ,
Mother of the Church,
Mother of divine grace,
Mother most pure,
Mother most chaste,
Mother inviolate,
Mother undefiled,
Mother most amiable,
Mother admirable,
Mother of good counsel,
Mother of our Creator,
Mother of our Saviour,
Mother of mercy,
Virgin most prudent,
Virgin most venerable,
Virgin most renowned,
Virgin most powerful,
Virgin most merciful,
Virgin most faithful,
Mirror of justice,
Seat of wisdom,
Cause of our joy,
Spiritual vessel,
Vessel of honour,
Singular vessel of devotion,
Mystical rose,
Tower of David,
Tower of ivory,
House of gold,
Ark of the covenant,
Gate of heaven,
Morning star,
Health of the sick,
Refuge of sinners,
Comfort of the afflicted,
Help of Christians,
Queen of Angels,
Queen of Patriarchs,
Queen of Prophets,
Queen of Apostles,
Queen of Martyrs,
Queen of Confessors,
Queen of Virgins,
Queen of all Saints,
Queen conceived without original sin,
Queen assumed into heaven,
Queen of the most holy Rosary,
Queen of families,
Queen of peace.Lamb of God, who takest away the sins of the world,
spare us, O Lord.Lamb of God, who takest away the sins of the world,
graciously hear us, O Lord.Lamb of God, who takest away the sins of the world,
have mercy on us.Pray for us, O holy Mother of God.
That we may be made worthy of the promises of Christ.Let us pray.
Grant, we beseech thee,
O Lord God,
that we, your servants,
may enjoy perpetual health of mind and body;
and by the intercession of the Blessed Mary, ever Virgin,
may be delivered from present sorrow,
and obtain eternal joy.
Through Christ our Lord.
Amen.​

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Memorare of St. Bernard​

Remember, O most gracious Virgin Mary, that never was it known that anyone who fled to thy protection, implored thy help, or sought thine intercession was left unaided.

Inspired by this confidence, I fly unto thee, O Virgin of virgins, my mother; to thee do I come, before thee I stand, sinful and sorrowful. O Mother of the Word Incarnate, despise not my petitions, but in thy mercy hear and answer me.​

For the intentions of the Holy Father, one may recite at the end of the Rosary one "Our Father", one "Hail Mary", and one "Glory Be".​

 

[blue_ladybug]

Jesus Christ is our ONE AND ONLY intercessor!! Him and him alone. Mary has no part whatsover in interceding for us in heaven.

 

[Jeff_56]

this show clearly that you know nothing of Scripture, and those you have lost your soul to unless you repent in truth are worse off than you, unless they repent in truth and come out of her that is wicked beyond belief with her sins piled as high as heaven!
in the Scripture, the place of the dead in the grave, is well spoken of as sleeping, the dead DO NOTHING.
the dead cannot praise the Lord. the dead DO NOT PRAY. the dead have NO THOUGHT. they are not floating in heaven, nor abiding mystically or otherwise anyplace.
not just the catholics, but many 'churches' have fallen for the greek pagan ideas of false limbo somewhere - it is NOT IN SCRIPTURE ...

John's VISION was A VISION. given by GOD WHO OPPOSES the catholic church heresy entirely, without mercy ... as there is no redemption for the roman catholic abominations and the roman catholic idolatries. it will be utterly dealt with in the proper day. God is patient, but His delay, His waiting to destroy their blasphemous SIN is not because He is winking at their sin, no. He has judged their SIN and they have no righteousness in them; they will be utterly destroyed, not one will be spared who remains in the abomination of roman lies and deceptions.

Because all of the saints pray for us before Christ. Or did John see wrongly when he was given a vision of Heaven?

 

[Jeff_56]

we absolutely know that not mary, not paul, not peter are up there somewhere praying. none of those who are dead are praising God, nor singing, nor praying, nor watching us as if from some ethereal place of abode -- no, that was all adopted from greek or other pagan religions and is no where found in Scripture. (traditions have been so long in so many churches that it may be hard to overcome; but Scripture does not change. the traditions will fall away and be exposed in the right time and place as God has ordained.)

we have one intercessor, the Master Jesus Christ, Savior and King of Kings, advocate for those who abide in Him.
stick with
what Torah(Scripture) says in all the places it is written about the dead.

How do you [ absolutely ] know that Mary has [ actually ] promised "to pray for us before Jesus"...???

 

[notuptome]

Therefore, Christ being God has the power to give that authority to His servant. To deny that is to deny God infinite power...or to deny that Jesus is God. Which heresy do you want to teach?

Christ alone is able to forgive sin. Christ died on the cross, it was His blood that was shed to atone for sin. No man has the authority to forgive sin. Man is a sinner and could never administer so great an authority. Peter received the keys to the kingdom. Peter received the word of God which is able to make men wise unto salvation.

Jesus told Peter to feed the sheep not forgive them of their sins. Feed the sheep the word of God. Disciple them in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

Christians witness and testify of the saving grace of God but Christians do not save people. The great commission is to teach the world of Christ not to go about forgiving sins. Forgive trespasses against self but not sin and trespass against God.

Man has demonstrated many times that he is too capricious to be trusted with such authority. He will sell forgiveness of sins for filthy lucre. One of the obvious things that Martin Luther found so disgusting.

Catholic teaching on this matter is wholly inconsistent with the character of God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[kennethcadwell]

Christ alone is able to forgive sin. Christ died on the cross, it was His blood that was shed to atone for sin. No man has the authority to forgive sin. Man is a sinner and could never administer so great an authority. Peter received the keys to the kingdom. Peter received the word of God which is able to make men wise unto salvation.

Jesus told Peter to feed the sheep not forgive them of their sins. Feed the sheep the word of God. Disciple them in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

Christians witness and testify of the saving grace of God but Christians do not save people. The great commission is to teach the world of Christ not to go about forgiving sins. Forgive trespasses against self but not sin and trespass against God.

Man has demonstrated many times that he is too capricious to be trusted with such authority. He will sell forgiveness of sins for filthy lucre. One of the obvious things that Martin Luther found so disgusting.

Catholic teaching on this matter is wholly inconsistent with the character of God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

So when the Lord Jesus told them to forgive others and you will be forgiven, but if you don't forgive you will not be forgiven. He was lying to them ? I don't think so, as trespasses was used for the word sin in the KJ and NKJ versions.

[h=1]Matthew 6:14-15
14 “For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses[/h]
John 20:23
Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.


Now this is were it does get confusing because some take this verse from John 20 as if we do not forgive another, they will still be held accountable for that sin. However this is not the context here, as the bible can not contradict itself. When the Lord says they will be retained, He is speaking of they will be retained on to the one who did not forgive. Because of their lack of love toward the other. He will not forgive you, if you do not forgive others.
Lord Jesus does do the actual cleansing of our sins, but we are called to give forgiveness toward others through the same love, compassion, and mercy shown to us.

 

[notuptome]

So when the Lord Jesus told them to forgive others and you will be forgiven, but if you don't forgive you will not be forgiven. He was lying to them ? I don't think so, as trespasses was used for the word sin in the KJ and NKJ versions.

Matthew 6:14-15
14 “For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses


John 20:23
Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.


Now this is were it does get confusing because some take this verse from John 20 as if we do not forgive another, they will still be held accountable for that sin. However this is not the context here, as the bible can not contradict itself. When the Lord says they will be retained, He is speaking of they will be retained on to the one who did not forgive. Because of their lack of love toward the other. He will not forgive you, if you do not forgive others.
Lord Jesus does do the actual cleansing of our sins, but we are called to give forgiveness toward others through the same love, compassion, and mercy shown to us.

The only thing you have correct is that you are confused and do not know what you are talking about.

Matthew is part of the Olivet discourse and Jesus is teaching kingdom principal. Only born again Christians are kingdom subjects. Only born again Christians understand how to forgive as Christ has forgiven them. This is part of the new nature created in the Christian by Christ through the Holy Spirit. The nature to forgive.

John 20 is where Romanism departs from the intent of the scriptures regarding men forgiving sin. Christians teach Gods word and Christians live Gods word. Those who respond to the teaching of Gods word become saved and have their sins forgiven those who reject the teaching of Gods word perish in their sins. The only authority given to men is to declare Gods word to the entire world. God moves through His word and His Holy Spirit to being souls to salvation.

If you sin you are accountable to God not me. Fear not those who can destroy the body and can do no else. Fear God Who can destroy the body and the soul in eternal fire and condemnation.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[kennethcadwell]

The only thing you have correct is that you are confused and do not know what you are talking about.

Matthew is part of the Olivet discourse and Jesus is teaching kingdom principal. Only born again Christians are kingdom subjects. Only born again Christians understand how to forgive as Christ has forgiven them. This is part of the new nature created in the Christian by Christ through the Holy Spirit. The nature to forgive.

John 20 is where Romanism departs from the intent of the scriptures regarding men forgiving sin. Christians teach Gods word and Christians live Gods word. Those who respond to the teaching of Gods word become saved and have their sins forgiven those who reject the teaching of Gods word perish in their sins. The only authority given to men is to declare Gods word to the entire world. God moves through His word and His Holy Spirit to being souls to salvation.

If you sin you are accountable to God not me. Fear not those who can destroy the body and can do no else. Fear God Who can destroy the body and the soul in eternal fire and condemnation.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

I do understand as He was teaching how we are to show unwavering and unbiased love for all.
We as His sheep are not to hold anything against another individual, and when they do wrong we are to help them to bring them back to repentance of that wrong doing. True believers do not stand before God at the great white judgment throne at the second resurrection. We stand before Christ and the mercy seat, after the first resurrection where we are judged by Him for our obedience to Him. The more obedient will get rewards for such, and the less obedient will not as our works will be tested as of by fire and if any remains we get a reward/s.
If you hold anything against another person, rather it be hatred, anger, jealousy, and/or any other bias thing against them. The Lord says you need to work it out and eliminate that from your heart, or you will be held accountable for all that you hold against others. Do works and produce fruit worthy of repentance, means your actions have to reflect a true repentance and walking in love by the Spirit.

 

[notuptome]

I do understand as He was teaching how we are to show unwavering and unbiased love for all.
We as His sheep are not to hold anything against another individual, and when they do wrong we are to help them to bring them back to repentance of that wrong doing. True believers do not stand before God at the great white judgment throne at the second resurrection. We stand before Christ and the mercy seat, after the first resurrection where we are judged by Him for our obedience to Him. The more obedient will get rewards for such, and the less obedient will not as our works will be tested as of by fire and if any remains we get a reward/s.
If you hold anything against another person, rather it be hatred, anger, jealousy, and/or any other bias thing against them. The Lord says you need to work it out and eliminate that from your heart, or you will be held accountable for all that you hold against others. Do works and produce fruit worthy of repentance, means your actions have to reflect a true repentance and walking in love by the Spirit.

The believers works are put through the fire is true. The believer is not judged but is passed from judgment. You cannot do what you aspire to do. Man will always be biased and man will always waiver until he is perfected in his resurrected body.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[kennethcadwell]

The believers works are put through the fire is true. The believer is not judged but is passed from judgment. You cannot do what you aspire to do. Man will always be biased and man will always waiver until he is perfected in his resurrected body.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

You can speak for yourself on that, and not for others because I have been lead by the Holy Spirit and He has made me content with what little I have. I am comfortable in my life, and hold no ill will toward others. And I no longer wish to have what others have. What I do pray to God about is that if it be His will to give me certain things how I will turn and honor Him with what He gives by helping others.
I leave it up to Him to decide if I should have or not have things. I don't care what others have, but I do care about what they do with what they are given. Because the bible says we are called to help our fellow brothers and sisters with their faults. So if they are misusing what they are given, there is nothing wrong with helping them to show how they should be properly use what is given.

 

[notuptome]

You can speak for yourself on that, and not for others because I have been lead by the Holy Spirit and He has made me content with what little I have. I am comfortable in my life, and hold no ill will toward others. And I no longer wish to have what others have. What I do pray to God about is that if it be His will to give me certain things how I will turn and honor Him with what He gives by helping others.
I leave it up to Him to decide if I should have or not have things. I don't care what others have, but I do care about what they do with what they are given. Because the bible says we are called to help our fellow brothers and sisters with their faults. So if they are misusing what they are given, there is nothing wrong with helping them to show how they should be properly use what is given.

Thanks for proving my point. You are so proud of how humble you see yourself.

As long as you are in your body of flesh you are subject to its passions and weaknesses. We can never be completely sanctified until we are no longer in our body of flesh. Paul struggled with this very same issue.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[kennethcadwell]

Thanks for proving my point. You are so proud of how humble you see yourself.

As long as you are in your body of flesh you are subject to its passions and weaknesses. We can never be completely sanctified until we are no longer in our body of flesh. Paul struggled with this very same issue.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

What I said is not pride.
If you think it is pride to be content with one has, and to show love and no ill will toward others then you have the wrong definition of pride. For there is a difference in giving personal testimonies and boasting about what one has done.
And as you can see I never take credit for it myself, as I always say the Holy Spirit guides and helps me to be where I am at. He gets all the glory and praise for my life, and I wouldn't have it any other way.

 

[Zifnab21]

Jesus Christ is our ONE AND ONLY intercessor!! Him and him alone. Mary has no part whatsover in interceding for us in heaven.

Your statemnet in unbiblical. Psalm 103 and 148, Revelation 5:8 and 8:3-4 and what Jesus says in Matt. 18:10.

 

[Mitspa]

Thanks for proving my point. You are so proud of how humble you see yourself.

As long as you are in your body of flesh you are subject to its passions and weaknesses. We can never be completely sanctified until we are no longer in our body of flesh. Paul struggled with this very same issue.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Yes I always enjoy when someone wants others to know how humble they are...they often tell many people! Basically they brag about their humility ... lol

 

[kennethcadwell]

Your statemnet in unbiblical. Psalm 103 and 148, Revelation 5:8 and 8:3-4 and what Jesus says in Matt. 18:10.

None of those verses says the saints, especially Mary intercedes or is a mediator for us.
The Psalms you gave is a giving of thanks, and Matthew says that the angels see what we do to one another. The saints/Mary are not angels, and in Revelation it says prayers of the saints. That could be their prayers, prayers of those still alive, or both. This still does not say we have to pray directly to them, as we can pray directly to God in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ who is our one and only mediator. If we can pray directly to Him, why do we need to pray to another.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Yes I always enjoy when someone wants others to know how humble they are...they often tell many people! Basically they brag about their humility ... lol

You as well must not understand the difference of giving a testimony which the bible encourages us to do with each other, and one who brags.

 

[ThomistColin]

None of those verses says the saints, especially Mary intercedes or is a mediator for us.
The Psalms you gave is a giving of thanks, and Matthew says that the angels see what we do to one another. The saints/Mary are not angels, and in Revelation it says prayers of the saints. That could be their prayers, prayers of those still alive, or both. This still does not say we have to pray directly to them, as we can pray directly to God in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ who is our one and only mediator. If we can pray directly to Him, why do we need to pray to another.

Indeed, because the Holy Spirit told us to pray to and for one another.

Pray, "to ask with reverence" is the origin of the word. To ask for another's prayers is to pray to them. Also, if another prays on your behalf, they have interceded for you. Also, remember that your faith can save another's life, Jesus forgave the sins of the paralytic because of the faith of his friends.