Trinity?

[VCO]

don't you think Peter at Pentecost would have said...
, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of(the Father ,the Son and the HS) instead of the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


.......if he had forgotten so soon, how can we trust anything he said?

☝t<><

NOT IF BOTH ARE THE SAME THING! THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT.

GOD is the sum total of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.

JESUS is the sum total of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.


Colossians 2:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,

Colossians 1:19 (HCSB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] For God was pleased ⌊to have⌋ all His fullness dwell in Him,


Picture an equilateral triangle and ALL THREE of those sides has a title and specific function. BUT EVERY SINGLE SPIRITUAL PART WITHIN IN THAT equilateral triangle always remains THE FULLNESS OF GOD.

 

[newbirth]

You do not seem to understand what the expression "In the name of" means. This is not some kind of religious incantation that must be repeated at one's baptism in order to legitimize the baptism.

In the classical style of the first century language the phrase "εἰς τὸ ὄνομα" - "into the name of" was often used as a legal term. This expression is found among ancient legal documents that recorded the transfer of property. If one purchased a section of land or a dwelling for example, a title transfer would be drawn up to show that this property was now εἰς τὸ ὄνομα - in the name of - the new owner. When Jesus commanded his disciples to preach the gospel to every creature and baptize them εἰς τὸ ὄνομα the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit, what he is commanding them to do is to baptize them into the possession of God. Christians are the objects of a property transfer - "out of the kingdom of darkness and into his marvelous light." Baptism then is a property transfer. This same language is used in Acts 2:38 Peter commanded those present to be baptized ἐν τῷ ὀνόματι - into the name of - thus into the possession if Jesus Christ. This was for a two-fold purpose
1. For the removal of sin - Spiritual circumcision, Colossians 2:9-13.
2. To receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. He is the seal of the transfer of property, Ephesians 4:30, 1Corinthians 6:19-20. He is the seal of ownership to show that we have been bought with a price.

you have no clue of what I am speaking....but you know what I do not understand...show where any of the apostles baptised anyone or commanded anyone or teach anyone to be baptised in the name of the Father Son and Holy Spirit...I dare anyone of you trinitarians to do so.....none of them did it...so we must conclude they either all disobeyed Christ or that piece of scripture is error.....because that is a direct command...purportedly spoken directly to the apostles....but nowhere in scripture is it done by the apostles...go figure.....

 

[newbirth]

☝t<><

NOT IF BOTH ARE THE SAME THING! THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT.

GOD is the sum total of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.

JESUS is the sum total of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.


Colossians 2:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,

Colossians 1:19 (HCSB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] For God was pleased ⌊to have⌋ all His fullness dwell in Him,


Picture an equilateral triangle and ALL THREE of those sides has a title and specific function. BUT EVERY SINGLE SPIRITUAL PART WITHIN IN THAT equilateral triangle always remains THE FULLNESS OF GOD.

you explain God as a triangle...???

☝t<><

NOT IF BOTH ARE THE SAME THING! THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT.

GOD is the sum total of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.

JESUS is the sum total of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.


Colossians 2:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,

Colossians 1:19 (HCSB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] For God was pleased ⌊to have⌋ all His fullness dwell in Him,


Picture an equilateral triangle and ALL THREE of those sides has a title and specific function. BUT EVERY SINGLE SPIRITUAL PART WITHIN IN THAT equilateral triangle always remains THE FULLNESS OF GOD.

why do you insist on putting your opinions before me...scripture does not agree with your comment...
look at the fullness of God...do you see a triangle???
1 Corinthians 8:6
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
In all of the epistles the apostles pay homage to God the Father and our Lord Jesus....can a trinitarian show where they in one instance pay homage to Father Son and HS....as one entity?

 

[VCO]

you have no clue of what I am speaking....but you know what I do not understand...show where any of the apostles baptised anyone or commanded anyone or teach anyone to be baptised in the name of the Father Son and Holy Spirit...I dare anyone of you trinitarians to do so.....none of them did it...so we must conclude they either all disobeyed Christ or that piece of scripture is error.....because that is a direct command...purportedly spoken directly to the apostles....but nowhere in scripture is it done by the apostles...go figure.....

Provide us with the tape recordings of every first Century Baptism and we will. Besides, as we already explained Baptized in the name of JESUS and Baptized in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit is the exact same thing. BOTH ARE CERTAINLY CORRECT.

 

[Bowman]

you have no clue of what I am speaking....but you know what I do not understand...show where any of the apostles baptised anyone or commanded anyone or teach anyone to be baptised in the name of the Father Son and Holy Spirit...I dare anyone of you trinitarians to do so.....none of them did it...so we must conclude they either all disobeyed Christ or that piece of scripture is error.....because that is a direct command...purportedly spoken directly to the apostles....but nowhere in scripture is it done by the apostles...go figure.....

Baptizing in the NAME of The Son is the same as the Triune formula previously provided in scripture - where it mentions the same singular NAME and then lists-out each Person of The Trinity, afterward.

What part of this is escaping your intellect....?

 

[VCO]

you explain God as a triangle...???

why do you insist on putting your opinions before me...scripture does not agree with your comment...
look at the fullness of God...do you see a triangle???
1 Corinthians 8:6
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
In all of the epistles the apostles pay homage to God the Father and our Lord Jesus....can a trinitarian show where they in one instance pay homage to Father Son and HS....as one entity?

I am not presenting my opinion. EVERY SINGLE TIME, that I post anything to you or others pertaining to Scripture, I INCLUDE THE VERSES THAT VALIDATE EXACTLY WHAT I AM TRYING TO TELL YOU. And you PROMPTLY close your eyes and ignore what I have been trying to teach you.

WHY do I continue? Believe me, it is NOT my idea. The LORD keeps putting it on my heart to not give up on you. So I keep praying and keep trying; because I know it is HIS WILL. Left up to me, without the Holy Spirit, I would have given up on you a LONG time ago. But HE keeps putting it on my heart to reach you with the TRUTH:

Genesis 1:26-27 (HCSB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness. {The angels do not CREATE, but the SON and the HOLY SPIRIT do!} They will rule the fish of the sea, the birds of the sky, the livestock, all the earth, and the creatures that crawl on the earth.”
[SUP]27 [/SUP] So God created man in His own image; He created him in the image of God; He created them male and female.

 

[oldhermit]

you have no clue of what I am speaking....but you know what I do not understand...show where any of the apostles baptised anyone or commanded anyone or teach anyone to be baptised in the name of the Father Son and Holy Spirit...I dare anyone of you trinitarians to do so.....none of them did it...so we must conclude they either all disobeyed Christ or that piece of scripture is error.....because that is a direct command...purportedly spoken directly to the apostles....but nowhere in scripture is it done by the apostles...go figure.....

Your thinking is strictly dyadic. I do not know why I even waste my time fooling with you or try to show you anything.

 

[newbirth]

Provide us with the tape recordings of every first Century Baptism and we will. Besides, as we already explained Baptized in the name of JESUS and Baptized in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit is the exact same thing. BOTH ARE CERTAINLY CORRECT.

rubbish...and you know it....you want a trinity ....so you see god as a trinity

Matthew 16:13-17King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

 

[newbirth]

Your thinking is strictly dyadic. I do not know why I even waste my time fooling with you or try to show you anything.

simply refute the scripture I posted...or find what I asked for....

 

[newbirth]

I am not presenting my opinion. EVERY SINGLE TIME, that I post anything to you or others pertaining to Scripture, I INCLUDE THE VERSES THAT VALIDATE EXACTLY WHAT I AM TRYING TO TELL YOU. And you PROMPTLY close your eyes and ignore what I have been trying to teach you.

WHY do I continue? Believe me, it is NOT my idea. The LORD keeps putting it on my heart to not give up on you. So I keep praying and keep trying; because I know it is HIS WILL. Left up to me, without the Holy Spirit, I would have given up on you a LONG time ago. But HE keeps putting it on my heart to reach you with the TRUTH:

Genesis 1:26-27 (HCSB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness. {The angels do not CREATE, but the SON and the HOLY SPIRIT do!} They will rule the fish of the sea, the birds of the sky, the livestock, all the earth, and the creatures that crawl on the earth.”
[SUP]27 [/SUP] So God created man in His own image; He created him in the image of God; He created them male and female.

one God the Father of whom are all things....one Lord Jesus Christ by whom are all things.... it is your opinion do you understand what all things mean.....

tell me ..how is it Paul always forgets to mention the Spirit when writing about God the Father and Jesus Christ...
[h=1][/h] 1 Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ;

the lordkeeps putting it in your heart to hear his word but you are stubborn....clear as day the scripture is before you in every epistle but you are blind to the word because you hold fast to a doctrine of man...

 

[newbirth]

Baptizing in the NAME of The Son is the same as the Triune formula previously provided in scripture - where it mentions the same singular NAME and then lists-out each Person of The Trinity, afterward.

What part of this is escaping your intellect....?

it is possible your mind may be reprobate beyond repair...
can you see three here? There is God and the Word and the Word was God....and all things were made by the word...before anything was made ...how many do you see in the beginning...????

John 1:1-3King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

 

[Bowman]

it is possible your mind may be reprobate beyond repair...
can you see three here? There is God and the Word and the Word was God....and all things were made by the word...before anything was made ...how many do you see in the beginning...????

John 1:1-3King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

θεον ουδεις εωρακεν πωποτε μονογενης θεος ο ων εις τον κολπον του πατρος εκεινος εξηγησατο

Theon oudeis heōraken pōpote monogenēs Theos ho ōn eis ton kolpon tou Patros ekeinos exēgēsato


No one has seen God at any time; but the unique One, Himself God, who is in the bosom of the Father, that One declares Him. (John 1.18)

 

[newbirth]

θεον ουδεις εωρακεν πωποτε μονογενης θεος ο ων εις τον κολπον του πατρος εκεινος εξηγησατο

Theon oudeis heōraken pōpote monogenēs Theos ho ōn eis ton kolpon tou Patros ekeinos exēgēsato


No one has seen God at any time; but the unique One, Himself God, who is in the bosom of the Father, that One declares Him. (John 1.18)

do you see three in there...you are not addressing the truth...the only way one can formulate a trinity is by a long stretch of the imagination....God never declares himself as three...

 

[Sophia]

If Jesus Christ accepts worship (which He does, as seen clearly in Revelation) and that worship is acceptable before God and even glorifying to God (as is seen clearly in Revelation) and yet God has commanded that the worship of no one but Himself is acceptable or glorifying,
We can conclude from Scripture that Christ is God.
By Jesus referring to the Father as a distinct person other than Himself, and yet also One with Himself, we must conclude that they are both One in the same, and yet also distinct persons.
The Spirit, being the Spirit of Christ/Spirit of God, would also be God. It is not the Father, as Christ submitted to the Father and yet the Spirit submits to Christ.
Is this trinity something that can be understood by our physical minds? No. But it can be accepted by our minds through the agreement of the Spirit within us, through the reading of the Word.

 

[newbirth]

If Jesus Christ accepts worship (which He does, as seen clearly in Revelation) and that worship is acceptable before God and even glorifying to God (as is seen clearly in Revelation) and yet God has commanded that the worship of no one but Himself is acceptable or glorifying,
We can conclude from Scripture that Christ is God.
By Jesus referring to the Father as a distinct person other than Himself, and yet also One with Himself, we must conclude that they are both One in the same, and yet also distinct persons.
The Spirit, being the Spirit of Christ/Spirit of God, would also be God. It is not the Father, as Christ submitted to the Father and yet the Spirit submits to Christ.
Is this trinity something that can be understood by our physical minds? No. But it can be accepted by our minds through the agreement of the Spirit within us, through the reading of the Word.

so you are saying God is not the Father?...
1 Corinthians 8:6
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.



from this scripture can you glean a trinity....seeing that they encompass all things.....

 

[Sophia]

so you are saying God is not the Father?...
1 Corinthians 8:6
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.



from this scripture can you glean a trinity....seeing that they encompass all things.....

Do you believe that Christ is God? Do you believe the Spirit is God?

 

[newbirth]

Do you believe that Christ is God? Do you believe the Spirit is God?

you are the one who implied God is not the Father...

Originally Posted by Sophia

If Jesus Christ accepts worship (which He does, as seen clearly in Revelation) and that worship is acceptable before God and even glorifying to God (as is seen clearly in Revelation) and yet God has commanded that the worship of no one but Himself is acceptable or glorifying,
We can conclude from Scripture that Christ is God.
By Jesus referring to the Father as a distinct person other than Himself, and yet also One with Himself, we must conclude that they are both One in the same, and yet also distinct persons.
The Spirit, being the Spirit of Christ/Spirit of God, would also be God. It is not the Father, as Christ submitted to the Father and yet the Spirit submits to Christ.
Is this trinity something that can be understood by our physical minds? No. But it can be accepted by our minds through the agreement of the Spirit within us, through the reading of the Word.

and I asked you ..if you can glean from this scripture a trinity...seeing that God the Father and Jesus Christ our Lord encompass all things.....

1 Corinthians 8:6
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
you return with two questions...which I can only answer when you glean a trinity from the verse...those question only become relevant when you find a trinity in that verse...

 

[Sophia]

you are the one who implied God is not the Father...

and I asked you ..if you can glean from this scripture a trinity...seeing that God the Father and Jesus Christ our Lord encompass all things.....

1 Corinthians 8:6
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
you return with two questions...which I can only answer when you glean a trinity from the verse...those question only become relevant when you find a trinity in that verse...

Just answer the simple question. Do you believe Jesus Christ is God? Do you believe the Holy Spirit is God?
Once we have a common ground, then I can explain how the 3 agree in one. First you have to accept or reject the deity of Christ and His Spirit.

 

[oldhermit]

Just answer the simple question. Do you believe Jesus Christ is God? Do you believe the Holy Spirit is God?
Once we have a common ground, then I can explain how the 3 agree in one. First you have to accept or reject the deity of Christ and His Spirit.

It is amazing to me that he can understand how a husband and a wife are one but somehow the idea that the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit are one eludes him.

 

[Bowman]

do you see three in there...you are not addressing the truth...the only way one can formulate a trinity is by a long stretch of the imagination....God never declares himself as three...

Yahweh appeared to Abraham as three men.