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And as you fail to keep the law yourself that we can conclude that you do not love. The doctrine you follow condemns you.
What you have missed about love is the very love that God showed us. He forgave us, 7x70. And just as He forgave us we likewise show the same love/grace to others. Considering the imperfections in the physical, we need this love and forgiveness.
The legalists however preach judgement/condemnation under the law. They are like that servant who was forgiven his debt by the king, but then that servant would not likewise forgive the debt of a fellow servant.
What you have missed about love is the very love that God showed us. He forgave us, 7x70. And just as He forgave us we likewise show the same love/grace to others. Considering the imperfections in the physical, we need this love and forgiveness.
The legalists however preach judgement/condemnation under the law. They are like that servant who was forgiven his debt by the king, but then that servant would not likewise forgive the debt of a fellow servant.
Where did I call Christians illegalists?
Seems you want to falsely apply that to me as guilt by (false) association....
I think you pretty much ended this discussion earlier and compounded that when you said nothing you can do will be charged to you as sin. Your doctrine is iniquity.
M Y S T E R Y O F I N I Q U I T Y
Please this is fruitless.
Seems you want to falsely apply that to me as guilt by (false) association....
I think you pretty much ended this discussion earlier and compounded that when you said nothing you can do will be charged to you as sin. Your doctrine is iniquity.
M Y S T E R Y O F I N I Q U I T Y
Please this is fruitless.
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I continually ask myself, 'what would Christ have me do? or
is my behavior pleasing to my Father'? - for now, I only care
about what He thinks.
in order to come up with an answer, I must have a point of
reference that is God based or else I am lost and at sea, without
a life-jacket and will soon sink below the waves of despair.
all of the years that I lived outside the confines of the Master's Laws,
I was lawless and a floundering fool who was constantly excusing my
ignorant choices and learned living style, survival at its worst.
when my Father in Heaven threw me His Holy Lifeline and showed me
what I must do in order to please Him - to find peace, true worship
followed and continues to guide and uphold and nurture and nourish me
into each new day that I am allowed to serve and learn and love.
for one who has lived 'out-side and inside' of the Holy, Spiritual, Laws,
I must confess, His way is the only way to live and survive.
is my behavior pleasing to my Father'? - for now, I only care
about what He thinks.
in order to come up with an answer, I must have a point of
reference that is God based or else I am lost and at sea, without
a life-jacket and will soon sink below the waves of despair.
all of the years that I lived outside the confines of the Master's Laws,
I was lawless and a floundering fool who was constantly excusing my
ignorant choices and learned living style, survival at its worst.
when my Father in Heaven threw me His Holy Lifeline and showed me
what I must do in order to please Him - to find peace, true worship
followed and continues to guide and uphold and nurture and nourish me
into each new day that I am allowed to serve and learn and love.
for one who has lived 'out-side and inside' of the Holy, Spiritual, Laws,
I must confess, His way is the only way to live and survive.
When one throws out the Law, by whose authority do they throw it out? Christ DID NOT. He said that the Law stands forever. Do people somehow think that if they dismiss the Law, they are no longer guilty? This is in effect, denying grace. Grace being the unearned, undeserved forgiveness for transgressing the Law.
I suggest you just keep to scripture rather than throw out such red herrings
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Luk 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Romans 10:4 says no such thing. Here is what it says...
Rom 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
The word for "end" here is...
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τέλος
telos
tel'-os
From a primary word τέλλω tellō (to set out for a definite point or goal); properly the point aimed at as a limit, that is, (by implication) the conclusion of an act or state (termination [literally, figuratively or indefinitely], result [immediate, ultimate or prophetic], purpose); specifically an impost or levy (as paid): - + continual, custom, end (-ing), finally, uttermost. Compare G5411.
It means outcome or point aimed at. This word, G5056 τέλος, is used other places in the N.T., let's look at them...
1Pe 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
Yep, G5056 τέλος is the word used here for end. So, is your faith obliterated? Done away with? Brought to an end? or is it brought to an outcome of salvation?
Jas 5:11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.
Same word, G5056 τέλος, for end here. Is this the obliteration of the Lord? The doing away with Him? The use of the word is determined by context. Let's see how a few other translations render it...
New International Version:
Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.
International Standard Version:
For the Messiah is the culmination of the Law as far as righteousness is concerned for everyone who believes
Aramaic Bible in Plain English:
For The Messiah is the consummation of The Written Law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
The sense of it is the end result, not the obliteration.
Why do you say it is condemnation to obey? The implication is that we justified by disobeying the Law. Care to show me a scripture for that? Here is one to chew on...
Rom 2:13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;
I wish I had a nickel for every time someone has misused Rom 10:4
Rom 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
The word for "end" here is...
G5056
τέλος
telos
tel'-os
From a primary word τέλλω tellō (to set out for a definite point or goal); properly the point aimed at as a limit, that is, (by implication) the conclusion of an act or state (termination [literally, figuratively or indefinitely], result [immediate, ultimate or prophetic], purpose); specifically an impost or levy (as paid): - + continual, custom, end (-ing), finally, uttermost. Compare G5411.
It means outcome or point aimed at. This word, G5056 τέλος, is used other places in the N.T., let's look at them...
1Pe 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
Yep, G5056 τέλος is the word used here for end. So, is your faith obliterated? Done away with? Brought to an end? or is it brought to an outcome of salvation?
Jas 5:11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.
Same word, G5056 τέλος, for end here. Is this the obliteration of the Lord? The doing away with Him? The use of the word is determined by context. Let's see how a few other translations render it...
New International Version:
Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.
International Standard Version:
For the Messiah is the culmination of the Law as far as righteousness is concerned for everyone who believes
Aramaic Bible in Plain English:
For The Messiah is the consummation of The Written Law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
The sense of it is the end result, not the obliteration.
Why do you say it is condemnation to obey? The implication is that we justified by disobeying the Law. Care to show me a scripture for that? Here is one to chew on...
Rom 2:13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;
I wish I had a nickel for every time someone has misused Rom 10:4
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No I am using spiritual discernment, and how the Holy Spirit guides me.
And He guides me just like Paul was guiding Timothy to keep himself away from giving into sin again. Paul tells him more then once to keep himself pure. He can not become impure again if like you say future sins can not be imputed on us any more. That teaching totally contradicts what Paul was saying to Timothy.
For Paul tells Timothy he can become impure again do to sin.
You say we can not become impure do to sin !!!
Apostle Paul says a believer can become impure again do to sin !!!
I think I will go by what Paul said over what you say, for we know He was lead by the Holy Spirit and still gave those warnings about sin to believers. The only way to have the Lord's precious blood to cover your future sins is by confessing them to Him to receive that remission/forgiveness for them. The bible makes that clear, and in 2 Timothy Paul makes it very clear that if you believe you don't have to confess your future sins then you have been caught in the devil's trap. And he tells Timothy to teach others these warnings so that hopefully God will open their eyes to the truth.
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Ro 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.