Why do some Christians think the Catholic Church is evil/wrong/herasy?

[notuptome]

Catholics worship God, Protestants here worship the Bible. Oh, they say they don't worship the bible... but they do. They say things like: God wrote the bible. When that is no where near accurate and has never been the understanding until very recently.

At least half of the Bible is purely Jewish and written in that tradition. There are many authors of the various books, some are even referred to as Prophets.

So, that is at the heart of the issue. Protestants worships the bible, like as if the various authors don't exist and God alone sat down with a pen. Whereas the Catholic Church worships God, and acknowledges the teachings of the 'fathers', who are both the prophets of biblical books, and Various Catholic Church theologians.

Martin Luther never intended the Bible to be worshiped, but there it is today.

And when I say the bible is worshiped, it's hardly ever read.

Just as Jesus is now worshiped as simply a sacrifice to forgive sins, his aspect as 'Rabbi' is ignored by most Protestant Christians because his ethics contradict the financial goals of Rupert Murdoch/Fox News/Republicans and oil companies.

That's the summary of current events.

So yeah, Catholics are evil. Whatever distracts people.

Yes God wrote the bible. Yes much of the bible is written by and to Gods chosen people Israel. Changes nothing. Jesus was of Jewish descent according to the flesh.

You cannot know God apart from His word the bible. You cannot know Gods word the bible apart from the Holy Spirit. All things point to the glory of God. All things beautify God.

Lonely world you live in.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[ArtsieSteph]

Sola scriptura. That's where the rubber hits the road for me. You can't have a sensible discussion about salvation, or ecclesiology, or the Eucharist, if you can't agree where your authority lies.

Many Catholics will say they value Scripture highly, and that it is in some sense their 'ultimate' authority, but then contradict themselves when they try to make arguments about the authority of the church to 'teach' and how the church was and is necessary to validate Scripture (on the basis of the 'teaching authority'). In no sense can these two things both be held to be true.

Dang I never even thought about that. I wonder, do some people still never read the bible but only go based on the preacher/priest? I've done that myself too.

 

[JonahLynx]

Catholics worship God, Protestants here worship the Bible. Oh, they say they don't worship the bible... but they do. They say things like: God wrote the bible.

Protestants do not worship the Bible, but it is held as an authority because of its Source:

All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work. (2 Tim. 3:16-17)

Whereas the Catholic Church worships God, and acknowledges the teachings of the 'fathers'

Scripture overrides the teachings of religious leaders. If one disagrees with another, Scripture takes priority.

Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. (Acts 17:11)

Protestantism encourages testing doctrines with God's word, whereas Catholicism depends on believing that a priest is telling you the truth.

 

[Grandpa]

There was a church just like the RCC in Jesus time. It was the Jewish synagogue and its leaders were the pharisees and sadducees. The people who went to that church thought that their leaders were the most holy people in the world. And in order to be holy and come to God, you had to do what the leaders of the church did and taught.

But the Lord Jesus came and showed that system was in error. The people who went to a certain church and thought they were righteous because of what their church taught and the works they did were far from true righteousness.

In order to find out what this true righteousness is you have to read the bible and come to the Lord Jesus knowing nothing, as a child. You can't allow the pharisees and sadducees to 'interpret' this word of the bible for you. This word that is contained in the bible must be understood by you personally. Otherwise you will fall for whatever the pharisees and sadducees tell you...

 

[jeff_peacemkr]

the Jews were specifically chosen by God. they obeyed Him sometimes, and disobeyed sometimes.
the disciples of Jesus were specifically chosen by God. they obeyed Him if they stayed with Jesus. the ones who left Jesus did not obey Him.
the rcc never followed Jesus. the rcc murdered the disciples of Jesus. the rcc murdered the Jews. they didn't care nor want to know what Jesus wanted.
the Jews are being restored.
the disciples of Jesus, still specifically chosen by God, and kept by Jesus , in Jesus, by His Word, by grace through faith, a gift of God.
the Jews and the disciples are still being murdered and their souls elsewise destroyed by the rcc whenever possible.

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those who are in Jesus, have LIFE. no matter where they started or where they are. most groups on earth kick us out.(not just rcc).
those who have not the Son, have not LIFE, no matter anything else. (pray they may repent, as God takes no pleasure even in the death of the wicked.).
the world loves its own. it is very popular. and fatal. arm and arm down the wide road to destruction.
the way to life, in the Son, Jesus, is narrow (painful, awkward, through suffering) and few find it.

 

[Jason0047]

Jason I am not part of that church any more because of the fallacies they teach.

I realize that, my friend.

What I was showing is they still teach the base principles of belief in Him, and to repent, be baptized, and confession.
But they also teach all those added on falsehoods. The thing is that I can also take every single denomination and point out falsehoods/fallacies they teach as well in their churches.

I disagree. Their false beliefs and practices are not minor but major enough so as to make it unrecognizable to real Christianity. One cannot practice idolatry and serve Jesus anymore than one can pracitice witchcraft and serve Jesus. Actually, they do practice witchcraft. They contact the dead which is popular in the occult or the craft.

No the Catholic church is not the one who got me to believing that it existed before Constantine. All you have to do is take and do a true history background on the church yourself. The site you gave does not give a total true history background. I do not believe the church started back with Peter and Paul, for that is false teaching of history.
I showed how Catholic was used in the early 2nd century which is between 101-200 AD, which is over 70 years later after the Lord's crucifixion. The church came into existence at this time, and then when Constantine became a Christian from seeing a burning cross in the air he joined the Catholic church, not start it. He deemed that because of all the strife and division at that time they needed one main accepted religion and church, and he made the Catholic church that one accepted church in the 4th Century. Catholic was already in affect since the 2nd century, so he didn't start it.

Well, you may be right and you may be wrong. We just don't really know who is telling the truth when it comes to man made History. I choose to hold to the proposed version of History as accounted at the article I provided as a more likely possibility because it makes the most sense. However, we both could be wrong on the RCC's origins. But my ultimate authority is not History --- But it is the Bible. That is something you can trust and know to be true.

The only way you can know man made History to be true is if you had a time machine.

 

[kennethcadwell]

I realize that, my friend.



I disagree. Their false beliefs and practices are not minor but major enough so as to make it unrecognizable to real Christianity. One cannot practice idolatry and serve Jesus anymore than one can pracitice witchcraft and serve Jesus. Actually, they do practice witchcraft. They contact the dead which is popular in the occult or the craft.



Well, you may be right and you may be wrong. We just don't really know who is telling the truth when it comes to man made History. I choose to hold to the proposed version of History as accounted at the article I provided as a more likely possibility because it makes the most sense. However, we both could be wrong on the RCC's origins. But my ultimate authority is not History --- But it is the Bible. That is something you can trust and know to be true.

The only way you can know man made History to be true is if you had a time machine.

Well you can disagree all you want, for I was in the church and they did still teach faith in Him, repentance, baptism, and confession. From there they go into their false teachings which is why I left.

 

[Jason0047]

There was a church just like the RCC in Jesus time. It was the Jewish synagogue and its leaders were the pharisees and sadducees. The people who went to that church thought that their leaders were the most holy people in the world. And in order to be holy and come to God, you had to do what the leaders of the church did and taught.

But the Lord Jesus came and showed that system was in error. The people who went to a certain church and thought they were righteous because of what their church taught and the works they did were far from true righteousness.

In order to find out what this true righteousness is you have to read the bible and come to the Lord Jesus knowing nothing, as a child. You can't allow the pharisees and sadducees to 'interpret' this word of the bible for you. This word that is contained in the bible must be understood by you personally. Otherwise you will fall for whatever the pharisees and sadducees tell you...

The RCC is a mixed blend of Christianity with paganism. That is not the Jewish synagogue. They did not accept their Messiah Jesus Christ. That is why I believe the RCC did not come into existence until Constantine. Christians were being persecuted and the Roman Empire was crumbling. Constantine united the Christian religion with the Roman's version of religion to bring them together. He did this supposedly as a part of seeing a vision of a cross like symbol in the sky.

 

[Jason0047]

Well you can disagree all you want, for I was in the church and they did still teach faith in Him, repentance, baptism, and confession. From there they go into their false teachings which is why I left.

No, it's not that I disagree with them. The Bible disagrees with them. That is why they are anti-Sola Scriptura. In fact, they do not teach the truth about Jesus, repentance, and or baptism. Everything they teach is twisted around. When you repent of your sins and accept Jesus Christ you are saved in that moment. You do not need to be a part of some church organization like the RCC to be saved. In the RCC: Baptism is done as an infant and not as a believer. In the RCC: Confession is promoted as doing so towards a man and not Jesus Christ (Who is our only mediator between God and man). They don't believe a person can have an assurance of their salvation at any moment (Despite Scripture saying otherwise 1 John 5:13). They twist things around in Christianity so it is no longer recognizable. They preach another Christ. The Scriptures say we are to bear with them that preaches another Christ. The Scriptures do not say we are to accept them who preach another Christ. The RCC is a false Christianity. It is not true Christianity because you cannot bow down to idols, pray to the dead, and still worship Jesus. It doesn't work like that.

 

[phil112]

Catholics worship God, Protestants here worship the Bible. Oh, they say they don't worship the bible... but they do. They say things like: God wrote the bible. When that is no where near accurate and has never been the understanding until very recently.

At least half of the Bible is purely Jewish and written in that tradition. There are many authors of the various books, some are even referred to as Prophets.

So, that is at the heart of the issue. Protestants worships the bible, like as if the various authors don't exist and God alone sat down with a pen. Whereas the Catholic Church worships God, and acknowledges the teachings of the 'fathers', who are both the prophets of biblical books, and Various Catholic Church theologians.

Martin Luther never intended the Bible to be worshiped, but there it is today.

And when I say the bible is worshiped, it's hardly ever read.

Just as Jesus is now worshiped as simply a sacrifice to forgive sins, his aspect as 'Rabbi' is ignored by most Protestant Christians because his ethics contradict the financial goals of Rupert Murdoch/Fox News/Republicans and oil companies.

That's the summary of current events.

So yeah, Catholics are evil. Whatever distracts people.

I don't know where "here" is to you, perhaps Britain? catholics call just about anyone, that isn't muslim, protestant in the states. I have never heard anyone say God wrote the bible, however, to say that is no where near accurate as you do isn't actually true either. He told His spirit to inspire holy men to write it, and it IS His word, so there is some truth to Him being the author, altho perhaps in a second had sense.
Protestants here not only don't "worship the bible as if the various authors don't exist", but emphasize each author and try to understand the scripture in light of that writer's experiences.
The KJV that we read here in the states is not a "jewish" book, and it certainly is not written in any "tradition". As a matter of fact, it specifically tells us to reject tradition and favor His word over it.

Not trying to nit pick, but your post just spelled out some odd things.

 

[Kerry]

To the OP, because they place emphasis on works and relics and pray to so called saints. Mary can't help you , only Jesus can do that. He is the only one that was found worthy in all of heaven to open the book. We for God by placing our faith in the work of the cross. God will accept nothing else, no matter how good we are, He will not accept it.

 

[kennethcadwell]

No, it's not that I disagree with them. The Bible disagrees with them. That is why they are anti-Sola Scriptura. In fact, they do not teach the truth about Jesus, repentance, and or baptism. Everything they teach is twisted around. When you repent of your sins and accept Jesus Christ you are saved in that moment. You do not need to be a part of some church organization like the RCC to be saved. In the RCC: Baptism is done as an infant and not as a believer. In the RCC: Confession is promoted as doing so towards a man and not Jesus Christ (Who is our only mediator between God and man). They don't believe a person can have an assurance of their salvation at any moment (Despite Scripture saying otherwise 1 John 5:13). They twist things around in Christianity so it is no longer recognizable. They preach another Christ. The Scriptures say we are to bear with them that preaches another Christ. The Scriptures do not say we are to accept them who preach another Christ. The RCC is a false Christianity. It is not true Christianity because you cannot bow down to idols, pray to the dead, and still worship Jesus. It doesn't work like that.

The Catholic church or at least the one I went to, nor does the bible teach that you are saved the minute you accept Jesus.
Belief alone does not save, for if you believe but do not repent, get baptized, and confess future sins, and forgive others you will not be saved. For you will not receive remission of sins if you are not baptized and don't repent of your sins, and if you do not keep your confession in Him and do not forgive others you will not be forgiven.
I do not believe you have to be part of a denominational building, but you do have to belong to the Church. That is the true Church made up of the body of all believers in Him.

They have you have to belong to the Church right, but the part they are not right is that does not mean the catholic denomination. Confessing your sins to a priest is not wrong either, as we are told to confess our sins to each other in the bible. Once again though the error is saying you have to go through the priest in that confession for forgiveness, when we can go directly to God in prayer.
And I said that I don't agree with their baptism methods, but baptizing your baby is your choice and not a demand to be done. Which I don't agree with baptizing babies because they still have to profess later in life Jesus is their Lord for that baptism to mean anything. Plus they use sprinkling instead of immersion in water, which I don't agree. Yet that is how the OT saints were baptized by Moses, with the mixture of the blood of caves with water and then they were sprinkled.

Were do you get they don't teach assurance of their faith, they teach that one does have assurance as long as they remain faithful to Him. And continue to work for salvation, but this is where they twist it that I don't agree. Because they take and do it in a fashion that one has to earn salvation.

 

[Jason0047]

The Catholic church or at least the one I went to, nor does the bible teach that you are saved the minute you accept Jesus.

Read my post again. I didn't say they believed that. I was saying that is what Biblical Christianity teaches. A person can be saved right here and right now. They do not need to jump thru a bunch of hoops to be saved. A changed life, holiness and fruitful works will result in one having truly been saved.

Belief alone does not save, for if you believe but do not repent, get baptized, and confess future sins, and forgive others you will not be saved. For you will not receive remission of sins if you are not baptized and don't repent of your sins, and if you do not keep your confession in Him and do not forgive others you will not be forgiven.

Yes, you have to repent. That is true. But baptism is not for salvation. It is a public declaration and it is symbolic of our acceptance of the gospel. Peter made that point very clear.

As for confession of future sins: There is no teaching in the Bible that we are to confess crimes that we have not committed yet. God does not want us to sin at all. Unless you are talking about the RCC or something.

I do not believe you have to be part of a denominational building, but you do have to belong to the Church. That is the true Church made up of the body of all believers in Him.

That is just one more reason why they are false. They claim no salvation outside their church.

They have you have to belong to the Church right, but the part they are not right is that does not mean the catholic denomination. Confessing your sins to a priest is not wrong either, as we are told to confess our sins to each other in the bible. Once again though the error is saying you have to go through the priest in that confession for forgiveness, when we can go directly to God in prayer.

No. When Catholics confess their sins to a priest they are hoping for them to talk to God so that they can be forgiven. Like they are crippled or something and can't pray to Jesus directly themselves. They need some kind of false holy man to do it for them. It's a joke. In the Bible, when you confess your faults to one another it is not for your brethren to act as a mediator for them to say that you are forgiven. 1 John 1:9 says if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from ALL unrighteousness. 1 John 5:17 says all unrighteousness is sin. What in the world do you need a priest for to confess to if Jesus Christ does all that? In other words, the RCC's version of confession and Biblical confession are not the same thing.

[And I said that I don't agree with their baptism methods, but baptizing your baby is your choice and not a demand to be done. Which I don't agree with baptizing babies because they still have to profess later in life Jesus is their Lord for that baptism to mean anything. Plus they use sprinkling instead of immersion in water, which I don't agree. Yet that is how the OT saints were baptized by Moses, with the mixture of the blood of caves with water and then they were sprinkled.

It's like you are making excuses for their unbiblical practices. Stop it, my friend. They practice pure evil and not Christianity. They do not worship the same Christ. Their Christ allows for idolatry and praying to the dead. Jesus would never allow that.

Were do you get they don't teach assurance of their faith, they teach that one does have assurance as long as they remain faithful to Him. And continue to work for salvation, but this is where they twist it that I don't agree. Because they take and do it in a fashion that one has to earn salvation.

I have heard many Catholics say to me that they don't have assurance of salvation. They believe they will be saved. They don't believe they are currently saved. They believe it is a future event. I have quoted 1 John 5:13 to them before and they disagreed with me. Now, are there other Catholics who might disagree on that point? I am sure. But that just goes to show you how corrupt they are in their understanding of Scripture, though. Having a true assurance of salvation comes from having the Spirit.

 

[Nick01]

Dang I never even thought about that. I wonder, do some people still never read the bible but only go based on the preacher/priest? I've done that myself too.

Certainly, there are Catholics who are very Bible literate. I have had many stimulating with RCC's who have clearly taken the time to read the Scriptures, and try to grapple with it themselves. This is a far way away from even a century or so ago, when the Latin Mass was still favoured, and the first port of call was always a priest before reading ones own Bible.

It's a mistake to assume Catholics don't go to the Bible, and instead go to priests/the Magisterium. The position is more nuanced than that. Catholics may well read the Bible, but their exegesis and the scope of teaching is formed not by the apostolic teaching in Scripture, but by the teaching of Rome. So, even those Catholics who read the Bible deeply are still limited in their understanding by the teaching of the church, because for them, the authority of the Bible is intertwined with the the authority of the church.

The historical protestant position is critically different - the authority of the Bible stems from the text being the words of prophets and apostles appointed by and spoken through by the Spirit, and is thus independent of the authority of the church, which itself only exists through that same source, but one step removed. So, one can appeal to the teaching of the church all one likes (and sometimes, that's actually a really good thing to do!) but at the end of the day, the Scriptures contain all and only that which is to be considered doctrine.

Also worth pointing out - evangelicals and Protestants in general are really super good at believing rubbish their pastors teach them, as well. I've met evangelicals who are just as bad, if not worse, in this regard than many Catholics I have met. Discussions of sola scriptura and what it actually means is a perfect instance where, if we're going to pick out specks, we should keep a weather eye on our own planks.

 

[Angela53510]

I have a friend who is Catholic. She plays lip service to the Bible, reads it too. Knows lots about Protestant theology, and reads people like Oswald Chambers and Charles Stanley.

But on FB, she is the Mary worshipper, the idolater, and says only the RCC saves. I finally had to unfollow her posts, they were full of so many lies about how everyone was going to hell, except Catholics. Sorry, the Bible says, that those who are going to hell are the ones who reject Christ. Believing the Catholic Church and its rituals (sacraments) are what save is rejecting Christ.

The Catholic Church is a giant hierarchy of people following a giant lie. And believing that the RCC is the only true way, when Jesus is the "way the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father but by him!" (John 14:6) That is a long way from the Bible and Jesus Christ, that the Catholic church has strayed.

 

[passinthru]

Godsgirl...If you are not totally sure that Jesus alone is your savior then ask his into your heart right now. " Jesus I believe you dies fro my sins and I ask you to come into my heart this very minute". Please tell us that you have done this. Then I would suggest that you simply open the Bible to the Book of John and ask the Holy Spirit to lead you into all truth and read it from beginning to end. That is a start. Many can get swayed by many devices...butwe all let the Word of God be true. God is not the arthor of confusion. He loves you right where you are. Seek and you will find.

 

[Utah]

Catholics worship God, Protestants here worship the Bible.

I didn't need to read any further than the red highlights to know that you're seriously misinformed.

 

[phil112]

.................nor does the bible teach that you are saved the minute you accept Jesus.
Belief alone does not save, for if you believe but do not repent, get baptized, and confess future sins, and forgive others you will not be saved........................................... .

Your bible must be different from mine.

Acts 16:29-31
Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas, And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Salvation requires obedience, but being saved only requires accepting Christ. Repentance is an instantaneous event.
Baptism is not a requirement for getting saved.
Asking for forgiveness for future sins is making a statement that you intend to sin again. People that intend to sin aren't saved. They haven't jettisoned the carnal nature.

 

[breno785au]

I have a friend who is Catholic. She plays lip service to the Bible, reads it too. Knows lots about Protestant theology, and reads people like Oswald Chambers and Charles Stanley.

But on FB, she is the Mary worshipper, the idolater, and says only the RCC saves. I finally had to unfollow her posts, they were full of so many lies about how everyone was going to hell, except Catholics. Sorry, the Bible says, that those who are going to hell are the ones who reject Christ. Believing the Catholic Church and its rituals (sacraments) are what save is rejecting Christ.

The Catholic Church is a giant hierarchy of people following a giant lie. And believing that the RCC is the only true way, when Jesus is the "way the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father but by him!" (John 14:6) That is a long way from the Bible and Jesus Christ, that the Catholic church has strayed.

Sadly I have family like this, some read the bible everyday they tell me..but they're fruit tells a different story, at least my uncle confessed that 'God has put a fire inside me' years ago, which confounded everyone's opinion of me joining another religion or cult. Goes to show, reading the bible can mean nothing. How does it go? Be a doer of the word, not a hearer only.

 

[Jason0047]

Sadly I have family like this, some read the bible everyday they tell me..but they're fruit tells a different story, at least my uncle confessed that 'God has put a fire inside me' years ago, which confounded everyone's opinion of me joining another religion or cult. Goes to show, reading the bible can mean nothing. How does it go? Be a doer of the word, not a hearer only.

Hmmm.... I think in a Catholic's case who reads the Bible has more to do with accepting the real Jesus as their Savior as He described within God's Word. So it is more about true repentance and a true acceptance of Christ that will lead a person to live holy and fruitful for their Lord. They need the real Jesus; And not the counterfeit Jesus that has been fed to them by the RCC. They need to come out of the RCC and just believe the Bible and Jesus alone. They need Jesus alone as their Mediator and Savior. For he that has the Son has life and he that does not have the Son does not have life (1 John 5:12).