Why do some Christians think the Catholic Church is evil/wrong/herasy?

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wolfwint

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I am Roman Catholic and I would like to hear your thoughts :)
Dear GodsGirl368, I believe there are believers in rcc. About the rcc teaching we should messuare, as well as other churches teach, too alone to the word of god. In the past churchfunders like Martin Luther ore Menno Siemens, which were origin catholic, find out that rcc doctrine was different to what the bible says. This was the reason for them to left rcc. In case of martin Luther he was forced to left rcc and they planned to kill him. Because the rcc doctrine speaks in important issues against what the bible says I see in her that what you mentioned in your question. Hope to hurt you not personly.
 

birdie

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I have met a lot of nice Catholics, and there are some helpful charities associated with the various Catholic groups. A lot of the Catholic infrastructure is integral to everyday life in many communities here and abroad. Catholics even leave the door of some 'church' buildings open all day long in some places I have visited, for people to come inside and pray and so forth. I play basketball in a gym that the Catholic 'church' has with some friends because the 'church' is generous with its facilities. However, what seems like half or a third of the doctrine of the Catholic 'church' is pretty chilling to me. To begin with, the idea that Mary never sinned in her life (immaculate conception) is bizarre. Only Jesus is the sinless lamb of God who could therefore atone for our sins. To pray to Mary is bizarre to me. I could only pray to God. The Lord's prayer begins 'Our Father' for a reason. For that matter, to pray to the saints, any of them, is bizarre to me. I am happy that true believers (saints) exist but I would not pray to them, only with them. The Catholic idea that a 'priest' is in charge of declaring a few select people as Saints is bizarre to me. To me it seems that only God knows and is in charge of declaring who is a true believer, a saint. Another thing that is hard to take and a bit chilling is the Rosary thing. Why ask Mary to pray for our sins? It is God who forgives sins and to who we must confess. Mary is with the Lord as are all true believers after the physical death, but the Spirit of God now gives us access to God, not to those who have gone on to be with the Lord. It is a bit too much like a seance to me. I think if Mary were around today, she would ask people why they are praying to her and not to God. That's certainly what I would do if someone started praying to me. They did that to the apostle Paul, thinking that he was a god, and he rent his clothes and endeavored to tell them he was just a man like the rest of them. Another thing that I don't care for much, is all the ritual, but I understand all communities have rituals that tie them together. It's just that it doesn't do much for me spiritually. I would rather see someone set free from sin or difficulty than a bunch of conformity, personally. The extra books of the Catholic Bible might be wrong too. If they are adding to the word of God, it would be very wrong. The whole dress up in costumes thing for the elite Catholic leadership just feels wrong to me. I don't think the apostle Paul would be doing that, most likely. I do think that there are many Catholic "lay persons" (I dislike that term) who are committed to living a life of sacrifice and love on behalf of Jesus and God as they know him. This is commendable in a number of cases, although it can often include Mary as part of the belief system again, and that feels weird again. Catholicism often blends with native or pagan religions in many areas of the world and is a strange mixture of things that disturb me. I met a guy in Mexico who gives cigars to the spirit of a dead family member who is like this. I understand that a Colombian drug lord is considered a saint by persons in part of Colombia where he was generous with his ill-got finances. I'm happy that he helped people with some of his finances but...There is a lot that could be said about the Catholic tradition. Everyone on the planet has come from some background or tradition. I hope persons from Catholic or any background come to know the Lord as their personal savior in love and truth and can be a light in the world. I would never tell someone to follow Catholicism. But then most denominations have problems and I would not tell them to follow those groups either.
 

john832

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The RCC teaches that they have the authority to overrule scripture, that tradition and church teaching carries more weight than the Bible...

"If you recognize Scripture for what it is, you’ll see it wasn’t intended to be an instructional tool for converts. In fact, not one book of the Bible was written for non-believers. The Old Testament books were written for Jews, the New Testament books for people who already were Christians.

"The Bible is not a catechism or a full-scale theological treatise. Just look at the 27 books of the New Testament. You won’t find one that spells out the elements of the faith the way catechisms do or even the way the ancient creeds did. Those 27 books were written for the most part (excepting, for example, the Gospels and the general epistles such as James and, 1 and 2 Peter) as provisional documents addressed to particular audiences for particular purposes.

"Most of the epistles," you continue, "were written to local churches that were experiencing moral and/or doctrinal problems. Paul and most of the other New Testament writers sent letters to these local churches (e.g., 1 and 2 Corinthians and Galatians) in order to rectify these problems. There was no attempt on the part of the writers to impart a vast body of basic doctrinal instruction to non-believers nor even to simply summarize everything for the believers who received the letters."

The above quotes from...

"What's Your Authority?" | Catholic Answers
 
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kennethcadwell

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Your bible must be different from mine.
Salvation requires obedience, but being saved only requires accepting Christ. Repentance is an instantaneous event.
Baptism is not a requirement for getting saved.
Asking for forgiveness for future sins is making a statement that you intend to sin again. People that intend to sin aren't saved. They haven't jettisoned the carnal nature.

If you do not repent of yours sins are you saved ? NO ( Luke 13:3 )

If you are not baptized do you receive that remission of your sins ? No ( Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38 )

If you do not forgive others of their sins, you will not be forgiven of yours = no salvation. ( Matthew 6:15, Mark 11:26, Colossians 3:13, Ephesians 4:32 )

If you do not continue to confess Him, He will deny you = no salvation ( Matthew 10:33, 2 Timothy 2:12 )


If you refuse to help those in need, you will not have salvation. ( Matthew 25:45-46 )


If you are saved you have salvation, there is no way of separating the two. The problem is that people don't want to look at the saved part as a need of continuation. You have to continue to believe and endure to the end to be saved.
( Matthew 10:22, Matthew 24:13, Mark 13:13, Romans 11:22, 1 Timothy 4:16, Hebrews 3:14, Hebrews 10:36, Hebrews 12:1-3, 2 Peter 2:20-22, James 1:12 )

 
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jkalyna

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I am Roman Catholic and I would like to hear your thoughts :)
I cannot say that I am better or any church is better than any other. Jesus is acknowledge here, and pronounced being concived by a virgin, crucified, and risen, believing in HOly communion, all the other stuff, is secondary. Jesus said, those that be for me, are not against me, are we talking about a Isis group, or a church that just isn't perfect just as all the rest of them, I could find fault in every single denomination. If I do I am then considered a judge, and a critic, and a condemer. One of the secrets of the wisdom of the Lord is this. Love others, this is the new commandment Jesus gave. If you don't agree with the Catholic teachings, then don't hate those who are humans, people look on the heart of man, but God looks on the heart, you don't know that they might privatly not agree with many things also. The catholic churchs some of them are charismatic, and not much different in worship than the penticostals, why this division over trivial things, it's called seeing the bones, and not the flesh, which is the word of our Lord, if it is preached then it is life unto many souls, and those who believe on the Lord and savior, will inherit eternal life. I don't have a bad thing to say about any church that acknowledges the Lord Jesus Christ as savior of the world. Jesus said, you bless God, and curse man who God created in is own image. There are inconsistencies with every church built on this earth, why? because the true real church is not built with hands, Jesus said, this, he is the temple, that was said, would be raised in 3 days, when we enter a temple to pray, it is within us, for Christ is there, and he said, "know ye not that your body is the temple of the HOly Spirit, which dwells within you, " Christ w said, do not forsake the gathering of one another." He is the real church. Every other might try to be but they are imperfectons. *Like blemishes, that need a slave, or medicine. All our rightousness as a a filty rag. We all fall short of his glory.*
 
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"Anyways, most here are not Catholic because the site is called "Christian Chat" and not "Catholic Chat."

Catholicism
is a branch of Christianity.
as the owners of this site, and all the admins,

and all the reformers, with all the christians in jesus know,

rcc catholicism has never been truly christian -- it is heresy through and through.
 
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The main problem with the Roman Catholic Church is Mary. The Roman Catholic Church has put Mary above God. The Roman Catholic Church teaches that God did not have the power to keep Jesus Christ without sin in the womb of Mary if she had been a sinner. They teach Mary had to be without sin to keep Jesus Christ without sin.

If you follow this logic then by what the Roman Catholic Church teaches Mary's mother had to be without sin also. The Roman Catholic Church teaches that Mary's mother did not have to be without sin.

Therefore what the Roman Catholic Church is teaching it was by the power of Mary herself that keep Jesus Christ without sin.

The Roman Catholic Church is putting Mary above God because only Mary could keep Jesus Christ without sin and God could not.

The Roman Catholic Church has Mary as their God who is greater then God Himself.

This is why today the Roman Catholic Church is not a Christian Church and is to be avoided by all.
 

Angela53510

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Recently, I read that Catholics do not have assurance of salvation, till well after they die. That is because the sanctification process in this life, to make them ready to be justified in the next. Hence the need for purgatory, masses for the dead, and suffering (works) to be saved.

A cradle to beyond the grave system of bondage.

Instead, the Bible is clear we are justified FIRST!

"Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ." Romans 5:1

This is the very verse that set Martin Luther free from the bondage of the Catholic Church.

God justifies us, we repent and then we follow him, through the power of the Holy Spirit within us.

"And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." Acts 2:38
 
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I was born and raised in the Roman Catholic Church. I remember going to Roman Catholic classes every Saturday for years on end. The main subject in these classes was Mary and how we are to follow her and the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church. We never read from the Bible, nor did they ever quote from the Scriptures.

Later in life when I entered College I found Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. I left the Roman Catholic Church and joined a True Christian Church. I was amazed when i saw everyone carrying a Bible with them. Never in the Roman Catholic Church did anyone walk around with a Bible. We were not really stopped from carrying a Bible but it was frowned upon if you had a Bible with you.

This was in the 1940's that I was in the Roman Catholic Church.
 
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I was in the Catholic church for 5 years between 2004 to 2009 and went through the RCIA classes that they said I had to take to become a member. That from the start seemed fishy to me, and then during the classes I was taught more history of the church than actual scriptural teachings as the priest spent very little time on scriptures.
That was secondly a worry to me as I was wanting to know and have a closer relationship with God, and thought that was the purpose of the classes. Which I found was not the case.
From their during this process I started to get into full death study of the bible for myself, and while doing this I noticed things they were doing that reminded me of what the Pharisees did back in the Lords earthly ministry days that the Lord called them hypocrites for doing. Adding and taking away from the bible, which is prohibited by God.

Going by titles that says to not be called father, for the bible makes it clear we only have one Spiritual Father and that is Him. When I questioned them why they go by the title of father, the only response i got back from many priest and members was this was not to be taken literally. That raised a black flag to me, saying the Lord's words were not to be taken literally.
The other thing I was told at that time was that I was not truly forgiven of my sins unless I go to confessional to one of their priest. I said wait the bible says I can go directly to God in prayer, and ask Him personally for that forgiveness in the name of Jesus Christ and they will be forgiven. I was told that the belief that we can each have our own personal relationship with God was a dangerous teaching.

There are even more that raised my eyes to the apostate teaching that was not from the bible, so I left and went back to a baptist church in which was the denomination I grew up in. That church fell apart because the baptist commission came in and wanted to start pushing the old Southern Baptist traditions back in the church that was contradictory to the bible as well. One Example: women had to be in dresses, and men had to be in suit and tie.

I then looked around and decided to be nondenominational because I could not find one denominational church that was 100% bible based, and not tainted by mans traditions, customs, and personal philosophies. I wanted at first in my studies to become a prophecy teacher, but the Holy Spirit had other plans for me and kept pulling me away from that to studying, learning, and teaching the warnings of Paul to believers.
People think that only the Catholic church is the only apostate church, however there is a little apostate teaching in every denomination. Not in every church of those denominations, but there are some.

I would suggest to find a church no matter what denomination, and whatever they say always check it with the Holy Scriptures of God. If theymatch then follow the teaching, if they are contrary do not follow and question it.
First off the answers to the questions you asked are not church teaching,so that raises a flag for me. I doubt you went through RCIA. I am a RCIA sponsor and there is scripture at every class. True we also teach the history of the church because we are the only church with 2,000 yrs of history. As for your observations then assumptions, i think it would have been easier to find out why we do what we do, from a Catholic source ,,instead of just make something up to fit your. biased view.
 
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I was born and raised in the Roman Catholic Church. I remember going to Roman Catholic classes every Saturday for years on end. The main subject in these classes was Mary and how we are to follow her and the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church. We never read from the Bible, nor did they ever quote from the Scriptures.

Later in life when I entered College I found Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. I left the Roman Catholic Church and joined a True Christian Church. I was amazed when i saw everyone carrying a Bible with them. Never in the Roman Catholic Church did anyone walk around with a Bible. We were not really stopped from carrying a Bible but it was frowned upon if you had a Bible with you.

This was in the 1940's that I was in the Roman Catholic Church.
Your complete 1st paragraph is deception. To say we don't mention the bible or read it is a lie! Did you ever go to Mass? There are four readings from the bible and a sermon based on those readings! You are a fraud!
 
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Were you in the Roman Catholic Church in the 1940's mwc68? Back then it was a no no for us to have and read from the Bible. It was forbidden.
 
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Were you in the Roman Catholic Church in the 1940's mwc68? Back then it was a no no for us to have and read from the Bible. It was forbidden.
No sir, i wasn't but my grandparents were and I checked with my grandma, and she said that's not true! They had the family bible which she still has and my father will one day have. You are deliberately spreading lies about the Church!
 
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No sir, i wasn't but my grandparents were and I checked with my grandma, and she said that's not true! They had the family bible which she still has and my father will one day have. You are deliberately spreading lies about the Church!
The Church encourages us to read the scriptures and like I said before, we have 4 readings from the scriptures at Sunday Mass and 3 readings from the scriptures at daily Mass. The Mass is virtually unchanged in liturgical order for hundreds and hundreds of years. You, sir are a liar!
 
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Dang I never even thought about that. I wonder, do some people still never read the bible but only go based on the preacher/priest? I've done that myself too.
most people visiting and posting this forum don't read.
of those, few understand, since it requires the gift from Father in heaven to understand, and they admit they don't have the gift to understand.
most adamantly, consistantly, by word and by their lives refuse to believe what the bible says is true. - they don't realize all on earth are doomed who aren't redeemed in yahshua, and they refuse to abide in yahshua or to let yahshua guide their lives.

No sir, i wasn't but my grandparents were and I checked with my grandma, and she said that's not true! They had the family bible which she still has and my father will one day have. You are deliberately spreading lies about the Church!
any lies about the rcc heresy would be good for the rcc - since it is so totally depraved, absolutely corrupt and anti-christ, and just plain wrong.

i.e. there is nothing "good" in truth that can be said about the rcc.

in the few places on earth where the rcc finally allowed people to have a bible in their own language, they still frown and put pressure on anyone to go along with the pope (since normal people can't read and understand the bible or anything the rcc publishes) or risk anything up to and including death when the rcc authorities can get away with it(and usually they can).
 
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most people visiting and posting this forum don't read.
of those, few understand, since it requires the gift from Father in heaven to understand, and they admit they don't have the gift to understand.
most adamantly, consistantly, by word and by their lives refuse to believe what the bible says is true. - they don't realize all on earth are doomed who aren't redeemed in yahshua, and they refuse to abide in yahshua or to let yahshua guide their lives.



any lies about the rcc heresy would be good for the rcc - since it is so totally depraved, absolutely corrupt and anti-christ, and just plain wrong.

i.e. there is nothing "good" in truth that can be said about the rcc.

in the few places on earth where the rcc finally allowed people to have a bible in their own language, they still frown and put pressure on anyone to go along with the pope (since normal people can't read and understand the bible or anything the rcc publishes) or risk anything up to and including death when the rcc authorities can get away with it(and usually they can).
Jeff, that is absolute cow manure and you are guilty of the sin of lying.
 
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You people come on these threads and then just lie about the church! What kind of Christian does that? Last time I checked, lying is one of the top ten