THE GREAT DEBATE...LAW AND GRACE

[Hizikyah]

Wow you seem so "spiritual" .... lol

1Jo 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

SO im a murderer because I point out the fact you constantly distract from anything that does not suit your purpose?

You the person who says people are fallen, children of satan, talmudists even when they expose and speak against the talmud, etc etc etc....

Leviticus 19:17, "You shall not hate your neighbor in your heart. Rebuke your brother frankly, so you will not share in his guilt."

Proverbs 27:5-6, "Open rebuke is better than concealed love. Faithful are the wounds from a friend, but the kisses from an enemy are deceitful."

If there is anything I know I know this; The Spirit of YHWH does NOT support lies.

You may believe in the "Jesus" from those paintings all dainty and such, but I dont, I believe in the One who flipped the moneychangers table over.


Revelation 19:13-15:, "And He was wrapped in a tallit dipped in blood, and the Name of Him is called: Yahshua--The Salvation of Yahweh. And the armies in heaven clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him upon white horses, And out of His mouth goes a sharp, two-edged sword, that with it He should strike the nations; and He will rule over them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty Yahweh."

 

[Mitspa]

Heb 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandments going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.


Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Heb 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandments going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.


Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Yes because man alone can not keep the Commandments, but with the Holy Spirit of God in our lives we can keep and follow them. Please do not take away and deny all things are possible through Christ......Holy Spirit.


Philippians 4:13

I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

 

[haz]

Are these people justified by Law? Is there a way to obey the Law without trying to being justified by it?
Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah..."

Revelation 12:17, "Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus..."

and as you, Kenneth, newbirth and john832 admit that you do NOT keep the commandments, thus we see that you guys are workers of iniquity.

 

[Hizikyah]

and as you, Kenneth, newbirth and john832 admit that you do NOT keep the commandments, thus we see that you guys are workers of iniquity.

Is Haz short for Hazmat? You let those toxic accusations fly freely. Workers of iniquity? Those guys uphold the standard of righteousness and confession of sin to the Father....

1 John 1:8, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us,"

 

[Mitspa]

and as you, Kenneth, newbirth and john832 admit that you do NOT keep the commandments, thus we see that you guys are workers of iniquity.

Yep ..also known as lawless ..

 

[haz]

1 John 1&2;
5This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. 8If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

1My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. 2He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world. 3And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments. 4Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, 5but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him: 6whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked.

7Beloved, I am writing you no new commandment, but an old commandment that you had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word that you have heard. 8At the same time, it is a new commandment that I am writing to you, which is true in him and in you, because the darkness is passing away and the true light is already shining. 9Whoever says he is in the light and hates his brother is still in darkness. 10Whoever loves his brother abides in the light, and in him there is no cause for stumbling. 11But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.

Unless...

Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Christ's commandments are found in 1John 3:23.
1: believe on Jesus
2: love one another

legalists, however, focus on the 10 commandments (which they do not keep anyway) which is part of the law of sin and death (written and engraved in stones) that was done away, 2Cor 3:7-11.

Legalists preach that our righteousness is determined by whether we keep the law that was done away (2Cor 3:7-11, Rom 8:2, Rom 10:4, Gal 3:25, Gal 5:18, 1Tim 1:9).

And like the hypocritical Pharisees Jesus spoke against, these modern day Legalists likewise fail to keep the law.

 

[Mitspa]

Yes because man alone can not keep the Commandments, but with the Holy Spirit of God in our lives we can keep and follow them. Please do not take away and deny all things are possible through Christ......Holy Spirit.


Philippians 4:13

I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

Well we can keep the Commandment of Christ to love.. through the Spirit and not the letter.

Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

 

[Hizikyah]

John 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

Matt 22:36-40, "Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

 

[kennethcadwell]

Well we can keep the Commandment of Christ to love.. through the Spirit and not the letter.

Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

So are you still trying to deny that Paul upheld the 10 Commandments, and taught that believers would do the same ???


Plus like I said to stick with it is impossible to follow those 10 Commandments with the Holy Spirit in us, is to deny the power of the Holy Spirit. If you say it can't be done, then you put a limit on Him.

 

[Mitspa]

So are you still trying to deny that Paul upheld the 10 Commandments, and taught that believers would do the same ???


Plus like I said to stick with it is impossible to follow those 10 Commandments with the Holy Spirit in us, is to deny the power of the Holy Spirit. If you say it can't be done, then you put a limit on Him.

He upheld the law for its purpose...can you not read?

Ro 3:19 ¶ Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.


Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

 

[Hizikyah]

So are you still trying to deny that Paul upheld the 10 Commandments, and taught that believers would do the same ???


Plus like I said to stick with it is impossible to follow those 10 Commandments with the Holy Spirit in us, is to deny the power of the Holy Spirit. If you say it can't be done, then you put a limit on Him.

Battle cry of the modern church:

Philippians 4:13[SUP], "[/SUP]I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." (except obey what He says)


Battle cry of the body of Messiah:

Philippians 4:13[SUP], "[/SUP]I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." (especially obey what He says)

 

[haz]

Is Haz short for Hazmat? You let those toxic accusations fly freely. Workers of iniquity? Those guys uphold the standard of righteousness and confession of sin to the Father....

1 John 1:8, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us,"

If you feel you need to try to score points ridiculing another's blog name, that only makes you look desperate or immature. I suggest you just focus on points made through scripture.

Also, you guys preach a see-saw ighteousness where you're in and out of righteousness depending on whether you've kept your sin ledger perfectly balanced with confessions. Such doctrine is error.

BTW, you wrongly use 1John 1:8 as your excuse for your failure to keep the law.1John 1:8 refers to non-believers (hypocrites/Legalists like Paul was prior to conversion, thinking they were sinless under the law Phil 3:6).

Read 1John 1 from the beginning and note its evangelical context. It declares eternal life (John 3:16) so that the lost that it addresses may also have fellowship...

 

[haz]

Battle cry of the modern church:

Philippians 4:13[SUP], "[/SUP]I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." (except obey what He says)

Battle cry of the body of Messiah:

Philippians 4:13[SUP], "[/SUP]I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." (especially obey what He says)

if this is your battle cry then why do you fail to keep the 10 commandments that you preach we are to keep?

 

[ELECT]

Well we can keep the Commandment of Christ to love.. through the Spirit and not the letter.

Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

What are the laws that God is writing on the minds and hearts of His people ?

 

[Mitspa]

if this is your battle cry then why do you fail to keep the 10 commandments that you preach we are to keep?

Oh its just for others to keep...they have a special pass where they don't have really keep the law...just try to lay its yoke upon others.

 

[ELECT]

if this is your battle cry then why do you fail to keep the 10 commandments that you preach we are to keep?

then you dont understand grace
What is a statute and precept ? Are they same or different ?

 

[ELECT]

Oh its just for others to keep...they have a special pass where they don't have really keep the law...just try to lay its yoke upon others.

Why do you keep the 1st commandment with promise ?

 

[kennethcadwell]

He upheld the law for its purpose...can you not read?

Ro 3:19 ¶ Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.


Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

That is where you are wrong, for the chart I gave showed everywhere he used the 10 Commandments.
And each time it was used as things believers were to still uphold and live in their lives.

[h=1]Ephesians 6:1-2[/h]6 Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. 2 “Honor your father and mother,” which is the first commandment with promise:

Colossians 3:8
But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
( 3rd Commandment )


Here are just a couple of what Paul said to believers showing we are to still uphold the commandments, and then here is a showing that Paul upheld the rest of what the Lord said;

Colossians 3:13
Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.

 

[Mitspa]

What are the laws that God is writing on the minds and hearts of His people ?

Try to put this together...its not hard...God is love...all the law is fulfilled in one word...Christ said this is My commandment , that you love one another as I have loved you....Paul said nothing profits but faith working by love...James called it the Royal law... The Holy Spirit sheds the love of God abroad in our hearts.... what do you think God is writing on the hearts of believers? Its not hard to figure out!