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I am not talking about those that would not come to Christ.
Various Eternal Securists on this forum have claimed that the Christian can fall away from fellowship with God, but not fall from eternal life.
So if the Christian falls from fellowship/communion with God then he falls into fellowship/communion with Satan/darkness/unrighteousness. One cannot fellowship/commune with God/light/righteousness and Satan/darkness/unrighteousness at the same time, it's one or the other.
So how can the Christian that falls from fellowship with God into fellowship/communion with Satan still be saved?
If it were possible one could quit fellowshipping God and still be saved, then why could not those disciples OF CHRIST in Jn 6:66 still be saved even though they quit fellowshipping Christ?
Various Eternal Securists on this forum have claimed that the Christian can fall away from fellowship with God, but not fall from eternal life.
So if the Christian falls from fellowship/communion with God then he falls into fellowship/communion with Satan/darkness/unrighteousness. One cannot fellowship/commune with God/light/righteousness and Satan/darkness/unrighteousness at the same time, it's one or the other.
So how can the Christian that falls from fellowship with God into fellowship/communion with Satan still be saved?
If it were possible one could quit fellowshipping God and still be saved, then why could not those disciples OF CHRIST in Jn 6:66 still be saved even though they quit fellowshipping Christ?
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because God said they have eternal life
because God said he would never leave them (no matter where they go)
because God said no one (which would also include ourselves) can snatch us from his hands.
because God said no one can ever be good enough to earn salvation. so the man who is in his fathers house is no more deserving of being saved than the prodigal son who left (and the son was never said to stop being a son)
because God said he would never leave them (no matter where they go)
because God said no one (which would also include ourselves) can snatch us from his hands.
because God said no one can ever be good enough to earn salvation. so the man who is in his fathers house is no more deserving of being saved than the prodigal son who left (and the son was never said to stop being a son)
No.
Through Christ!!!
Rom 3:22 "Even the (1)righteousness of God which is (2)by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon (3)all them that believe: for there is no difference:"
1) righteousness of God
2) faith of Christ
3) all them that believe.
"All them that believe" (3) would include me.
The "righteousness of God" (1) is holy, sinlessly perfect.
So how can my imperfect, stinking belief have anything to do with God's holy, sinless, flawless righteousness?
By the (2) faith of Christ. Christ's faith was perfect, He sinlessly, perfectly, flawlessly did what His Father told Him to do therefore Christ's perfect faith is the basis for me being righteous before God.
Gal 3:27 "For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ."
When I was water baptized I put on Christ with that phrase (put on) carrying the idea of putting on clothing, putting on a coat. When I put on Christ then I was in Christ and covered by His perfect righteousness and God sees me thru Christ's perfect righteousness.
If I become unfaithful and fall from Christ then I am no longer in Christ, no longer covered by Chris'ts perfect righteousness and am no longer seen as righteous by God being out of Christ.
Were they saved in John 6:66? How many got saved after Christ resurrected?
Fictional scenarios are of no value in this matter. Only thing that matters is what you have done with Christ. The abiding presence of the Holy Spirit guides into the truth of Gods word. You continue to endeavor to sneak around the fact that you really do not believe the Holy Spirit ministers in the heart of the believer.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Fictional scenarios are of no value in this matter. Only thing that matters is what you have done with Christ. The abiding presence of the Holy Spirit guides into the truth of Gods word. You continue to endeavor to sneak around the fact that you really do not believe the Holy Spirit ministers in the heart of the believer.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
God has NEVER said He would give eternal life to those that fellowship/commune with Satan/darkness/unrighteousness.
God does not leave the Christian, NEVER but it's the Christian that leaves Christ and God does not follow that Christian into his sin.
Those that are faithful to Christ in their hearing and following are the one's god in turn are faithful in not allowing to be snatched out of His hand.
No one here, that I have seen, has argued they can be good enough to earn salvation, so that is a false straw man.
The prodigal left and was separated from the father leaving himself spiritually dead. But came to himself returning to the father was was alive again. He was spiritually alive when he was with his father, became spiritually dead when he left his father, and was spiritually alive AGAIN when he returned to the father.
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1. A christian can not leave God, He is omniscient, He promised 1. never to leave NOR FORSAKE US. 2. He would leave the 99 sheep. and go get the lost sheep.
You give yourself to much credit, you are not more powerful from God that you can leave his presence.
2. The prodigal never stopped being the son, He was still the son. thats is all that matters.
he did not become spiritually dead, He was STILL the fathers son. He lost fellowship. and his life went to hell. (which caused him to come back, like it does us all) but he never stopped being the son.
You give yourself to much credit, you are not more powerful from God that you can leave his presence.
2. The prodigal never stopped being the son, He was still the son. thats is all that matters.
he did not become spiritually dead, He was STILL the fathers son. He lost fellowship. and his life went to hell. (which caused him to come back, like it does us all) but he never stopped being the son.
Jn 6:66 "From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him."
The pronoun "his" modifies 'disciples" so they were Christ's disciples, not fake, pretend disciples but actually, in reality were Christ's disciples, with "his" showing possession. If they were not then John lied when he called them "his" disciples.
My question was if it were possible one could quit fellowshipping God and still be saved, then why could not those disciples OF CHRIST in Jn 6:66 still be saved even though they quit fellowshipping Christ?
The pronoun "his" modifies 'disciples" so they were Christ's disciples, not fake, pretend disciples but actually, in reality were Christ's disciples, with "his" showing possession. If they were not then John lied when he called them "his" disciples.
My question was if it were possible one could quit fellowshipping God and still be saved, then why could not those disciples OF CHRIST in Jn 6:66 still be saved even though they quit fellowshipping Christ?
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We are not talking about mans rules. God does not divorce us, God still considers them remairried, even if they get a paper which says they are divorced, If either of them sleep with someone else, they commit adultry, because God still considers them married.
also. God is not the husband, he is not going to divorce us,
also. God is not the husband, he is not going to divorce us,