Can a Christian lose their salvation? Unsure.

[SeaBass]

This is quite the change for you. Although it seems a bit deceptive since you qualify the Holy Spirits presence as in the word. You cannot fool God as He alone sees into your heart.

The bible disagrees with you in that only the Spiritual man can discern Spiritual things.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

The spiritual man of 1 Cor 2 is the one miraculously endowed by God to receive revelatory "words" from the Holy Spirit and wrote those words down so others can read and understand those 'words"


1 Cor 2:11 "For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God."

You do not know what another man is thinking unless that man reveals what he is thinking to you. Likewise you do not know what God is thinking unless God reveals what He is thinking to you.

1 Cor 2:12 "Now we (inspired apostles) have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God."

So inspired men, writers of the bible miraculously received the spirit of God.

1 Cor 2:13 "Which things also we (inspired writers/apostles) speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual."

So God revealed to man what He is thinking by these inspired writers ["spiritual men"] of the bible who received God's spirit so they could miraculously receive "words" from the Holy Spirit and write those words down for the rest of us who have not been miraculously inspired.

So there are no spiritual men today who have received the spirit of God in order to receive words from the Holy Spirit, we already have the complete, perfected word of God.


Col 3:16 "Let the word of Christ dwell in you..."

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Christ foreknew "some" of you do not have a present tense belief.

Jn 8:30 say many of them "believed" on Him yet v45 says "ye believe me not". A contradiction?

It is possible one can believe but not maintain a correct and present tense belief.

Nope, it is not a contradiction.

Because they are not talking about the same people.

You keep ignoring everything Jesus said in John 6 that would be given to those who did believe.

as long as you continue to ignore the words of Jesus and do not even admit he said them, then your words are useless. and your not a reliable source for truth.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

By works a man is justified, James 2:24

save yourselves, Acts 2:40
save thyself, 1 Tim 4:16
cleanse ourselves, 2 cor 7:1
if a man therefore purge himself, 2 Tim 2:21
ye have purified your souls, 1 Pet 1:22

God will not save those who do not fulfill their role in being saved.

Salvation is not by works. lest anyone should boast. stop trying to save YOURSELF. YOU CAN'T

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You say "he was lost" which is not possible if eternal security were true..not possible for him to ever be dead if eternal security is true.

Num 14:12 God has and will disinherit His sons.

he never stopped being the son

Stop trying to trust yourself and your power. and making God a human. which is what you are doing.

 

[SeaBass]

Nope, it is not a contradiction.

Because they are not talking about the same people.

You keep ignoring everything Jesus said in John 6 that would be given to those who did believe.

as long as you continue to ignore the words of Jesus and do not even admit he said them, then your words are useless. and your not a reliable source for truth.

Jesus is talking to the same people in Jn 8:30 as He is in verse 45.....Jews, verse 31.

 

[SeaBass]

Salvation is not by works. lest anyone should boast. stop trying to save YOURSELF. YOU CAN'T

James 2:24 justified by works. Works here refer to obedient works and not works of merit that one can boast about.


save yourselves, Acts 2:40
save thyself, 1 Tim 4:16
cleanse ourselves, 2 cor 7:1
if a man therefore purge himself, 2 Tim 2:21
ye have purified your souls, 1 Pet 1:22

If God purifies the soul then why does Peter say YOU have purified your souls?

 

[SeaBass]

he never stopped being the son

Stop trying to trust yourself and your power. and making God a human. which is what you are doing.

Yes, he never stopped being the physical son of the father, but he still became lost, dead....as you admitted yourself in an earlier post.

Where did I say I trust myself and my power? Nowhere, so another false straw man.

Col 2:12 "Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead."

When I obediently, passively submitted to water baptism my faith was in the work/operation of God in God removing my sins. God told me, promised me He would remove my sins in water baptism so I believed Him, yet others choose not to have faith in God that God will remove their sins in water baptism.

 

[1joseph]

Yes, the Spirit through His words indwells in me daily, Col 3:16.

But I do not have to be a Christian to see that the bible teaches that salvation is conditional.

Setting OSAS aside. I have been following your posts and this is what I conclude:

• You accepted your water baptism as your salvation
• You have knowledge of what the God's Word (the Bible) says

You can not be saved through water baptism nor the knowledge of God's Word.

By accepting water baptism as your salvation you are trying, within yourself, to live for God by holding yourself to God's standards, which is impossible.

One is saved by being convicted in their sins, asking Jesus Christ to come into their heart and be the Lord and Savior of their life, repenting of their sins and following him.

"Father, if it be Thy Will, open SeaBass' eyes to Your Truth. In Jesus' name I humbly pray. Amen."

 

[MsLimpet]

Setting OSAS aside. I have been following your posts and this is what I conclude:

• You accepted your water baptism as your salvation
• You have knowledge of what the God's Word (the Bible) says

You can not be saved through water baptism northe knowledge of God's Word.

By accepting water baptism as your salvation you are trying, within yourself, to live for God by holding yourself to God's standards, which is impossible.

One is saved by being convicted in their sins, asking Jesus Christ to come into their heart and be the Lord and Savior of their life, repenting of their sins and following him.

"Father, if it be Thy Will, open SeaBass' eyes to Your Truth. In Jesus' name I humbly pray. Amen."

What does your bible say about water baptism????

 

[kennethcadwell]

Setting OSAS aside. I have been following your posts and this is what I conclude:

• You accepted your water baptism as your salvation
• You have knowledge of what the God's Word (the Bible) says

You can not be saved through water baptism northe knowledge of God's Word.

By accepting water baptism as your salvation you are trying, within yourself, to live for God by holding yourself to God's standards, which is impossible.

One is saved by being convicted in their sins, asking Jesus Christ to come into their heart and be the Lord and Savior of their life, repenting of their sins and following him.

"Father, if it be Thy Will, open SeaBass' eyes to Your Truth. In Jesus' name I humbly pray. Amen."

Part of that following Him is done through baptism, as that is how one is born again.
Once you have repented and been baptized do you receive the remission of your sins from the Lord.

 

[crossnote]

I am not talking about those that would not come to Christ.

Various Eternal Securists on this forum have claimed that the Christian can fall away from fellowship with God, but not fall from eternal life.

So if the Christian falls from fellowship/communion with God then he falls into fellowship/communion with Satan/darkness/unrighteousness. One cannot fellowship/commune with God/light/righteousness and Satan/darkness/unrighteousness at the same time, it's one or the other.

So how can the Christian that falls from fellowship with God into fellowship/communion with Satan still be saved?

If it were possible one could quit fellowshipping God and still be saved, then why could not those disciples OF CHRIST in Jn 6:66 still be saved even though they quit fellowshipping Christ?

This would be like asking how can one be born again, then unborn, then re-reborn, then un re-reborn, then re-re-reborn ad inifinitum ad nauseum.
Just because a Christian may fall away for a time does not mean he becomes unborn and needs to be re-reborn. It means he needs to turn back to Jesus as a child turns back to his father.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Jesus is talking to the same people in Jn 8:30 as He is in verse 45.....Jews, verse 31.

Dude, do you ever read anything?

Jesus said in John 6 they did not believe even as they walked with him (as his disciples)

that is all anyone needs to know.

 

[1joseph]

What does your bible say about water baptism????

The same as yours.

 

[notuptome]

The spiritual man of 1 Cor 2 is the one miraculously endowed by God to receive revelatory "words" from the Holy Spirit and wrote those words down so others can read and understand those 'words"


1 Cor 2:11 "For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God."

You do not know what another man is thinking unless that man reveals what he is thinking to you. Likewise you do not know what God is thinking unless God reveals what He is thinking to you.

1 Cor 2:12 "Now we (inspired apostles) have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God."

So inspired men, writers of the bible miraculously received the spirit of God.

1 Cor 2:13 "Which things also we (inspired writers/apostles) speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual."

So God revealed to man what He is thinking by these inspired writers ["spiritual men"] of the bible who received God's spirit so they could miraculously receive "words" from the Holy Spirit and write those words down for the rest of us who have not been miraculously inspired.

So there are no spiritual men today who have received the spirit of God in order to receive words from the Holy Spirit, we already have the complete, perfected word of God.


Col 3:16 "Let the word of Christ dwell in you..."

So you are still lost in your self righteousness.

All who are saved have received the earnest of the Holy Spirit of promise. Eph 1:12-14

John 14-15 Jesus promises us the Comforter who is the Holy Spirit. Apart from Him how shall we know the with understanding the Word of God?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[eternally-gratefull]

James 2:24 justified by works. Works here refer to obedient works and not works of merit that one can boast about.


save yourselves, Acts 2:40
save thyself, 1 Tim 4:16
cleanse ourselves, 2 cor 7:1
if a man therefore purge himself, 2 Tim 2:21
ye have purified your souls, 1 Pet 1:22

If God purifies the soul then why does Peter say YOU have purified your souls?

Um Nope.

James said if anyone SAYS they have faith but HAS ZERO WORKS. he is not saved.

He is not contradicting paul.

 

[notuptome]

What does your bible say about water baptism????

Acts 8 if thou believest thou mayest. Philip to the eunuch.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes, he never stopped being the physical son of the father, but he still became lost, dead....as you admitted yourself in an earlier post.

Then he never lost his salvation, because he still had his fathers blood in him. Losing blessings is not the same as losing salvation. as I proved with the passage which said his rewards would be burned. yet he himself would still be saved (yet another passage you refuse to acknowledge.

 

[notuptome]

Part of that following Him is done through baptism, as that is how one is born again.
Once you have repented and been baptized do you receive the remission of your sins from the Lord.

That can only come from the Holy Spirit not by water baptism.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[phil112]

I would like some Bible verses and some answers to this question, thanks.

DiscipleDave has a good understanding. In lieu of being repetitive, I'll simply refer you to his link.

 

[MsLimpet]

Acts 8 if thou believest thou mayest. Philip to the eunuch.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

And they went down—They alighted from the chariot into the water. While Philip was instructing him, and he professed his faith in Christ, he probably plunged himself under the water, as this was the plan which appears to have been generally followed among the Jews in their baptisms; but the person who had received has confession of faith was he to whom the baptism was attributed, as it was administered by his authority.