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Half truths, do not add up to TRUTH. Did you just a coupon cutter to cut this verse out of your Bible?
John 3:6 (HCSB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Whatever is born of the flesh is flesh, and whatever is born of the Spirit is spirit.
It his not the HUMAN MIND that is Born Again, IT IS THE HUMAN SPIRIT, which also thinks.
As I have pointed out NUMEROUS TIMES, our walk of obediance is NOT what saved us, but rather it is how geniunely having been saved is manifested in the life of the Again Believer.
Abraham was SAVED the moment he wholeheartedly first Believed. He validated that his SALVATION was real a great NUMBER of times by his faithful obedience. For example when when he willingly began to offer up Isaac as a sacrifice to GOD.
Romans 5:8-10 (HCSB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But God proves His own love for us in thatwhile we were still sinners, Christ died for us!
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Much more then, since we have now been declared righteous by His blood, we will be saved through Him from wrath.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For if, while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, ⌊then how⌋ much more, having been reconciled, will we be saved by His life!
No, the works are not part of SALVATION, but rather what genuine SALVATION WILL PRODUCE.
John 14:15 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] If you love Me [That genuine SALVATION decribed in Rom. 5:5], you will keep My commandments. [The product produced out of that genuine SALVATION sown into your heart by the Holy Spirit, will always be willing obedience.]
Half truths, do not add up to TRUTH. Did you just a coupon cutter to cut this verse out of your Bible?
John 3:6 (HCSB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Whatever is born of the flesh is flesh, and whatever is born of the Spirit is spirit.
It his not the HUMAN MIND that is Born Again, IT IS THE HUMAN SPIRIT, which also thinks.
As I have pointed out NUMEROUS TIMES, our walk of obediance is NOT what saved us, but rather it is how geniunely having been saved is manifested in the life of the Again Believer.
Abraham was SAVED the moment he wholeheartedly first Believed. He validated that his SALVATION was real a great NUMBER of times by his faithful obedience. For example when when he willingly began to offer up Isaac as a sacrifice to GOD.
Romans 5:8-10 (HCSB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But God proves His own love for us in thatwhile we were still sinners, Christ died for us!
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Much more then, since we have now been declared righteous by His blood, we will be saved through Him from wrath.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For if, while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, ⌊then how⌋ much more, having been reconciled, will we be saved by His life!
No, the works are not part of SALVATION, but rather what genuine SALVATION WILL PRODUCE.
John 14:15 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] If you love Me [That genuine SALVATION decribed in Rom. 5:5], you will keep My commandments. [The product produced out of that genuine SALVATION sown into your heart by the Holy Spirit, will always be willing obedience.]
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[FONT="]I was raised to believe in the Trinity and believed in it for many years; although I did not find it in complete harmony with bible scripture. I have made a thorough study of the scriptures, including the Greek and Hebrew interlinear translations and secular references. I have come to the conclusion that the Trinity is a false man made doctrine. [/FONT]
[FONT="]If you do research you will find that the notion of the trinity did not come about until hundreds of years after the bible was written. The first century Christians did not teach the trinity doctrine and the Hebrew scriptures also give no indication of God being part of a triune godhead. [/FONT]
[FONT="]In 325 C.E., a council of bishops in Nicea formulated a creed that declared the Son of God to be “true God” just as the Father was “true God.” [/FONT]
[FONT="]In the year 381 C.E., another council met in Constantinople and declared that the holy spirit should be worshiped and glorified just as the Father and Son were.
[/FONT]John 14:28Modern English Version (MEV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP]“You have heard Me say to you, ‘I am going away and am returning to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, ‘I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I.
1 Corinthians 11:3King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. ( Christ is not God, and God is of superior rank to Christ. This scripture was written about 55C.E. (A.D.), some 22 years after Jesus died and returned to heaven. Even in Jesus heavenly state he is still under God’s rule. )
John 5:19Modern English Version (MEV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Then Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do. For whatever He does, likewise the Son does.
Colossians 1:15American Standard Version (ASV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;
Mark 13:32Modern English Version (MEV)
[SUP]32 [/SUP]“But concerning that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
1 Corinthians 15 Living Bible
[SUP]24 [/SUP]After that the end will come when he will turn the Kingdom over to God the Father, having put down all enemies of every kind. [SUP]25 [/SUP]For Christ will be King until he has defeated all his enemies, [SUP]26 [/SUP]including the last enemy—death. This too must be defeated and ended. [SUP]27 [/SUP]For the rule and authority over all things has been given to Christ by his Father; except, of course, Christ does not rule over the Father himself, who gave him this power to rule. [SUP]28 [/SUP]When Christ has finally won the battle against all his enemies, then he, the Son of God, will put himself also under his Father’s orders, so that God who has given him the victory over everything else will be utterly supreme.
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[FONT="]If you do research you will find that the notion of the trinity did not come about until hundreds of years after the bible was written. The first century Christians did not teach the trinity doctrine and the Hebrew scriptures also give no indication of God being part of a triune godhead. [/FONT]
[FONT="]In 325 C.E., a council of bishops in Nicea formulated a creed that declared the Son of God to be “true God” just as the Father was “true God.” [/FONT]
[FONT="]In the year 381 C.E., another council met in Constantinople and declared that the holy spirit should be worshiped and glorified just as the Father and Son were.
[/FONT]John 14:28Modern English Version (MEV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP]“You have heard Me say to you, ‘I am going away and am returning to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, ‘I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I.
1 Corinthians 11:3King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. ( Christ is not God, and God is of superior rank to Christ. This scripture was written about 55C.E. (A.D.), some 22 years after Jesus died and returned to heaven. Even in Jesus heavenly state he is still under God’s rule. )
John 5:19Modern English Version (MEV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Then Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do. For whatever He does, likewise the Son does.
Colossians 1:15American Standard Version (ASV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;
Mark 13:32Modern English Version (MEV)
[SUP]32 [/SUP]“But concerning that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
1 Corinthians 15 Living Bible
[SUP]24 [/SUP]After that the end will come when he will turn the Kingdom over to God the Father, having put down all enemies of every kind. [SUP]25 [/SUP]For Christ will be King until he has defeated all his enemies, [SUP]26 [/SUP]including the last enemy—death. This too must be defeated and ended. [SUP]27 [/SUP]For the rule and authority over all things has been given to Christ by his Father; except, of course, Christ does not rule over the Father himself, who gave him this power to rule. [SUP]28 [/SUP]When Christ has finally won the battle against all his enemies, then he, the Son of God, will put himself also under his Father’s orders, so that God who has given him the victory over everything else will be utterly supreme.
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Romans 12:2
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
Try mourning over your sinfulness FIRST, and then surrendering COMPLETE control of your life to CHRIST by the power of the Holy Spirit. THEN AND ONLY THEN will the HOLY SPIRIT make the Doctrine of the Holy Trinity a totally understandable REALITY IN YOUR HEART. DEEP Spiritual Truths about GOD are only understood with the spiritual mind of a Born Again Human Spirit. NEVER was it designed to be understood with the fleshly mind, between your ears.
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I explained, ABRAHAM's Faith is not characterized by one verse, but by his whole heartedly BELIEVING GOD his whole life that was the continual characteristic of Abraham's FAITH and TRUST in GOD.
YOU are desperately trying to steer me to where you can say AH HA, IT ONLY APPLIES TO THAT SINGLE VERSE.
I DO NOT FALL FOR THOSE KIND OF INMATE CON-GAMES, OF MANIPULATING THE SCRIPTURES. I DID NOT FALL FOR THOSE TRICKS WHEN I WAS A VOLUNTEER PRISON CHAPLAIN, AND I AM CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO FALL FOR THEM HERE.
Do your own research, you need it.
Scriptures are True.
Scriptures plainly teach there is a FATHER
Scriptures plainly teach there is a Son of that Father called Jesus Christ
Scriptures plainly teach there is a Spirit of God called the Holy Ghost
Scriptures plainly teach that there is a husband
Scriptures plainly teach that there is a wife
Scriptures plainly teach that the husband AND the wife are ONE
Scriptures plainly teach that the Father AND Jesus are ONE
Scriptures plainly teach that there are Christians
Scriptures plainly teach that Christians and Jesus are ONE
Scriptures plainly teach that Christians and the Father and Jesus are ONE
So simple children can understand the Truth. If you can understand how a husband and a wife are no longer twain, but ONE flesh, then you can understand how the Father and Jesus and Holy Ghost and US Christians are ONE body.
Scriptures interprets Scriptures. Jesus plainly told us the Husband and the wife are no longer twain, but ONE flesh. This He told us to better understand the concept how He and His Father are ONE, just as we are ONE with them. leave it to the last days generation with their much learning to confound that which is so simple that children can understand it.
Husband and Wife are ONE
Father, Son, Holy Spirit, Christians are all ONE.
Who is the author of confusion? satan is. Woe to those who take something so simple to understand, and teach things which only cause confusion, they are teaching doctrines of satan and don't even know that they are doing it, all the while claiming they know the truth.
Here is Truth: If what you believe contradicts even ONE verse in Scriptures then what you believe is wrong. Change your belief to match with what Scriptures teach. DO NOT change the Scriptures to match what you believe.
i know there is a Father which no man has ever seen. i know there is Jesus Christ who taught us that He is the Son of that Father in Heaven. i know that Jesus sits on the right hand of that Father in Heaven upon that Throne, and i also know that the Holy Ghost sits to the Fathers left on that same Throne.
...........................Father
.....................____________
....................[.................... ]
......Jesus .... [ ................... ] Holy Ghost
........._________ Throne ____________
........[ ....................of ...................... ]
........[ ...................God .................... ]
.......----------------------------------------------
Then there are 24 other Thrones as well for the 12 patriarchs and the 12 Disciples.
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Scriptures plainly teach there is a FATHER
Scriptures plainly teach there is a Son of that Father called Jesus Christ
Scriptures plainly teach there is a Spirit of God called the Holy Ghost
Scriptures plainly teach that there is a husband
Scriptures plainly teach that there is a wife
Scriptures plainly teach that the husband AND the wife are ONE
Scriptures plainly teach that the Father AND Jesus are ONE
Scriptures plainly teach that there are Christians
Scriptures plainly teach that Christians and Jesus are ONE
Scriptures plainly teach that Christians and the Father and Jesus are ONE
So simple children can understand the Truth. If you can understand how a husband and a wife are no longer twain, but ONE flesh, then you can understand how the Father and Jesus and Holy Ghost and US Christians are ONE body.
Scriptures interprets Scriptures. Jesus plainly told us the Husband and the wife are no longer twain, but ONE flesh. This He told us to better understand the concept how He and His Father are ONE, just as we are ONE with them. leave it to the last days generation with their much learning to confound that which is so simple that children can understand it.
Husband and Wife are ONE
Father, Son, Holy Spirit, Christians are all ONE.
Who is the author of confusion? satan is. Woe to those who take something so simple to understand, and teach things which only cause confusion, they are teaching doctrines of satan and don't even know that they are doing it, all the while claiming they know the truth.
Here is Truth: If what you believe contradicts even ONE verse in Scriptures then what you believe is wrong. Change your belief to match with what Scriptures teach. DO NOT change the Scriptures to match what you believe.
i know there is a Father which no man has ever seen. i know there is Jesus Christ who taught us that He is the Son of that Father in Heaven. i know that Jesus sits on the right hand of that Father in Heaven upon that Throne, and i also know that the Holy Ghost sits to the Fathers left on that same Throne.
...........................Father
.....................____________
....................[.................... ]
......Jesus .... [ ................... ] Holy Ghost
........._________ Throne ____________
........[ ....................of ...................... ]
........[ ...................God .................... ]
.......----------------------------------------------
Then there are 24 other Thrones as well for the 12 patriarchs and the 12 Disciples.
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Matthew 7:20 (ISV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]So by their fruit you will know them."
Galatians 5:19-23 (ISV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Now the works of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity, promiscuity,
[SUP]20 [/SUP] idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, rivalry, jealously, outbursts of anger, quarrels, conflicts, factions,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] envy, murder, drunkenness, wild partying, and things like that. I'm telling you now, as I've told you in the past, that people who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
[SUP]23 [/SUP] gentleness, and self-control. There is no law against such things.
Matthew 25:40 (ESV)
[SUP]40 [/SUP] And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’
Matthew 25:45 (ESV)
[SUP]45 [/SUP] Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’
1 John 2:9-11 (ESV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Whoever says he is in the light and hates his brother is still in darkness.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Whoever loves his brother abides in the light, and in him there is no cause for stumbling.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.
Romans 10:11-13 (NIV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame."
[SUP]12 [/SUP] For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile--the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him,
[SUP]13 [/SUP] for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."
Proverbs 6:16-19 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] The LORD hates six things;
in fact, seven are detestable to Him:
[SUP]17 [/SUP] 1. arrogant eyes,
2. a lying tongue,
3. hands that shed innocent blood,
[SUP]18 [/SUP] 4. a heart that plots wicked schemes,
5. feet eager to run to evil,
[SUP]19 [/SUP] 6. a lying witness who gives false testimony,
7. and one who stirs up trouble among brothers.
Mark 9:42 (ISV)
[SUP]42 [/SUP] "If anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin,
it would be better for him if a large millstone were hung around his neck
and he were thrown into the sea.
Mark 9:38-40 (NKJV)
[SUP]38 [/SUP] Now John answered Him, saying, "Teacher, we saw someone who does not follow us casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow us."
[SUP]39 [/SUP] But Jesus said, "Do not forbid him, for no one who works a miracle in My name can soon afterward speak evil of Me.
[SUP]40 [/SUP] "For he who is not against us is on our side.
Anti-Catholic attitudes or Anti-Jewish attitudes towards Jewish Believers in Messiah, certainly fall into the
catagory of "one who stirs up trouble among brothers."
CATHOLICS:
NOTICE THE CROSSES.
Mark 9:40 (NKJV)
[SUP]40 [/SUP] "For he who is not against us is on our side.
CATHOLIC SILENT CRUSADE
CATHOLIC GOOD FRIDAY
CATHOLIC WAY OF THE CROSS
MESSIANIC JEWS:
... all our musical people made it to the stage to bless us and glorify God by using their gifts. During the Messianic Jewish worship ...
Mark 9:40 (NKJV)
[SUP]40 [/SUP]"For he who is not against us is on our side.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]So by their fruit you will know them."
Galatians 5:19-23 (ISV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Now the works of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity, promiscuity,
[SUP]20 [/SUP] idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, rivalry, jealously, outbursts of anger, quarrels, conflicts, factions,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] envy, murder, drunkenness, wild partying, and things like that. I'm telling you now, as I've told you in the past, that people who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
[SUP]23 [/SUP] gentleness, and self-control. There is no law against such things.
Matthew 25:40 (ESV)
[SUP]40 [/SUP] And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’
Matthew 25:45 (ESV)
[SUP]45 [/SUP] Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’
1 John 2:9-11 (ESV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Whoever says he is in the light and hates his brother is still in darkness.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Whoever loves his brother abides in the light, and in him there is no cause for stumbling.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.
Romans 10:11-13 (NIV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame."
[SUP]12 [/SUP] For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile--the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him,
[SUP]13 [/SUP] for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."
Proverbs 6:16-19 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] The LORD hates six things;
in fact, seven are detestable to Him:
[SUP]17 [/SUP] 1. arrogant eyes,
2. a lying tongue,
3. hands that shed innocent blood,
[SUP]18 [/SUP] 4. a heart that plots wicked schemes,
5. feet eager to run to evil,
[SUP]19 [/SUP] 6. a lying witness who gives false testimony,
7. and one who stirs up trouble among brothers.
Mark 9:42 (ISV)
[SUP]42 [/SUP] "If anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin,
it would be better for him if a large millstone were hung around his neck
and he were thrown into the sea.
Mark 9:38-40 (NKJV)
[SUP]38 [/SUP] Now John answered Him, saying, "Teacher, we saw someone who does not follow us casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow us."
[SUP]39 [/SUP] But Jesus said, "Do not forbid him, for no one who works a miracle in My name can soon afterward speak evil of Me.
[SUP]40 [/SUP] "For he who is not against us is on our side.
Anti-Catholic attitudes or Anti-Jewish attitudes towards Jewish Believers in Messiah, certainly fall into the
catagory of "one who stirs up trouble among brothers."
CATHOLICS:
NOTICE THE CROSSES.
Mark 9:40 (NKJV)
[SUP]40 [/SUP] "For he who is not against us is on our side.
CATHOLIC SILENT CRUSADE
CATHOLIC GOOD FRIDAY
CATHOLIC WAY OF THE CROSS
MESSIANIC JEWS:
... all our musical people made it to the stage to bless us and glorify God by using their gifts. During the Messianic Jewish worship ...
Mark 9:40 (NKJV)
[SUP]40 [/SUP]"For he who is not against us is on our side.
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and what is that supposed to mean ??? I must agree with your lie????
2 Thessalonians 2:14-17King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.
we have been thought .. Lord Jesus Christ himself,.. and God, even our Father
....do you see a trinity there...
2 Thessalonians 3:13-15King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]But ye, brethren, be not weary in well doing.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.
2 Thessalonians 2:14-17King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.
we have been thought .. Lord Jesus Christ himself,.. and God, even our Father
....do you see a trinity there...
2 Thessalonians 3:13-15King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]But ye, brethren, be not weary in well doing.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.
DiscipleDave said
First show me any Scriptures that contradicts what i have said above. What is it to me if your personal belief is contrary to what i have said above. Show me Scriptures that contradict what i have said above, that is what i am interested in. And if you seriously want to know the Scriptures for something i have said above, then instead of using a blanket statement such as "Please show us Scriptures " Are you wanting Scriptures for every singly thing i said above, or on specific things, please be more specific on what part that i said above that you want Scriptures for. Thank you and God bless.
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