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No ones judging, and we can try to be perfect but no one is, and our righteousness is as filthy rags, but those that deny the flesh are doing what God called us to do, to be " born again " into His righteousness, He lives in the Spirit, that's where we should be living, always loving, always serving, and helping others get to this truth and love of God, that they may be born again and live in the Holy Ghost as well, against such there is no law...
Grace being the free, unearned, undeserved forgiveness for sin is not a free pass to continue doing whatever we wish. What it really boils down to is that some assume that grace redefines what sin is. The definition of sin has been, is and ever will be...
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
To me the big issue is people that preach that the blood of Messiah makes one "free" from the Instructions of the Father, for this is the exact non-sense in the garden, "you don;t have to obey abd you can still have life" It is not true, faith leads to acceptance of the blood of the true Passover Lamb, which changes people to love the Instructions of Yah, not find reasoning to ignore them, now I don;t judge any person, but rather the system that has created the lies that makes people believe this....
Ezekiyl 36:26-28, "A new heart; mind, will I also give you, and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will take away the heart of stone out of your flesh, and will give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments, and do them. And you will dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and you will be My people, and I will be your Father."
Yeremyah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."
"Law" is word #H8451 - torah - torah: direction, instruction, law Original Word: תּוֹרָה Part of Speech: Noun Feminine Transliteration: torah
Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them."'
For what is the true definition of love?
Mattithyah 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."
"iniquity" is:#0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
Deuteronomy 6:5, "And you must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might."
Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."
1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."
Now im sure we can go ask 1,000,000,000 people "what is love" and get a different answer every time, but I say if we ask Yahweh "what is love" a 1,000,000,000 times, we will get the same answer every time....
Ezekiyl 36:26-28, "A new heart; mind, will I also give you, and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will take away the heart of stone out of your flesh, and will give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments, and do them. And you will dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and you will be My people, and I will be your Father."
Yeremyah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."
"Law" is word #H8451 - torah - torah: direction, instruction, law Original Word: תּוֹרָה Part of Speech: Noun Feminine Transliteration: torah
Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them."'
For what is the true definition of love?
Mattithyah 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."
"iniquity" is:#0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
Deuteronomy 6:5, "And you must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might."
Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."
1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."
Now im sure we can go ask 1,000,000,000 people "what is love" and get a different answer every time, but I say if we ask Yahweh "what is love" a 1,000,000,000 times, we will get the same answer every time....
I believe in keeping Instructions. I have just found that there has only been One Person in the History of the whole world who has been able to do it.
I have found, and have read in the bible, that the key to keeping His Instructions is to have faith in the Only One who has ever been able to keep them, the Lord Jesus Christ. The gospel says if we try to keep these "instructions" ourselves we have fallen from His Grace and are fallen under the curse of our own work at the law, attempting to re-build what was destroyed.
The side that says that His "instructions" are the way to life disregard our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and His Work. I suppose there will be severe judgement for those who do that.
Galatians 5:3-5
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
I guess you better hope that Paul is a false Apostle according to your "gospel".
Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
If the "instructions" aren't for righteousness then what are they for? Or is this another lie from Paul? Or is it too hard to understand... lol ?
I have found, and have read in the bible, that the key to keeping His Instructions is to have faith in the Only One who has ever been able to keep them, the Lord Jesus Christ. The gospel says if we try to keep these "instructions" ourselves we have fallen from His Grace and are fallen under the curse of our own work at the law, attempting to re-build what was destroyed.
The side that says that His "instructions" are the way to life disregard our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and His Work. I suppose there will be severe judgement for those who do that.
Galatians 5:3-5
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
I guess you better hope that Paul is a false Apostle according to your "gospel".
Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
If the "instructions" aren't for righteousness then what are they for? Or is this another lie from Paul? Or is it too hard to understand... lol ?
Proverbs 10:17, "He who keeps instruction is in the way of life, but he who refuses reproof goes astray."
Mattithyah 19:17, "But He said to him: Why do you question Me about righteousness? There is only One Who is the standard of perfection, and that is Yahweh; so if you would enter into life, keep the Laws of Yahweh."
Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."
iniquity is:#0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
Proverbs 12:1, "Whoever loves instruction loves knowledge, but he who hates correction is brutish"
Psalm 1:2, "But his delight is in the Law of Yahweh, and in His Law he meditates day and night."
Mattithyah 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."
iniquity is:#0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
Mattithyah 19:17, "But He said to him: Why do you question Me about righteousness? There is only One Who is the standard of perfection, and that is Yahweh; so if you would enter into life, keep the Laws of Yahweh."
Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."
iniquity is:#0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
Proverbs 12:1, "Whoever loves instruction loves knowledge, but he who hates correction is brutish"
Psalm 1:2, "But his delight is in the Law of Yahweh, and in His Law he meditates day and night."
Mattithyah 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."
iniquity is:#0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
What are they for? A life guide. So because I am not perfect "i break the bands asunder" ? (Psalm 2)
1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us."
A GUIDE TO HIS LOVE:
Deuteronomy 6:5, "And you must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might."
Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."
1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."
Mattithyah 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."
"iniquity" is:#0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
2 peter 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."
1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us."
A GUIDE TO HIS LOVE:
Deuteronomy 6:5, "And you must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might."
Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."
1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."
Mattithyah 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."
"iniquity" is:#0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
2 peter 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."
Really really amazing passages, so very deep!
Psalm 2, "Why do the heathen rage, and the people plot vanity? The kings of the earth rise up, and the rulers take counsel against Yahweh and His Anointed, saying; Let us break their bands asunder; Let us cast their yoke of bondage from us. He Who sits in the heavens will laugh them to scorn; Yahweh will treat them with derision and contempt! He shall speak to them in wrath! He shall terrify them in His great displeasure, saying: I set My King on Mount Zion, My holy hill. I will proclaim the decree Yahweh declared; Yahweh said to me: You are My Son, this day I have begotten You. Ask of Me, and I will give You the nations for Your inheritance. The ends of the earth will be for Your possession. With a rod of iron You will break the nations; You will dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel! Be wise, therefore, all you rulers; be instructed, you judges of the earth. All of you serve Yahweh with reverence; you shall rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest He be angry, and you perish from the way, when His wrath is kindled only a little. Blessed are they who will then put all their trust in mighty Yahweh; then they will stand as His Own Son."
Isayah 45:5, "I am Yahweh, and there is no other apart from Me. There is no God. I will strengthen you with this knowledge, though you did not recognize that it was Me-- So that they may know from the rising of the sun to the place of its setting that there is none besides Me. I am Yahweh, and there is no other! I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create destruction; I, Yahweh, do all these things. Drop down, you heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness. Let the earth be released; let salvation spring up, and let righteousness grow together; I, Yahweh, have created it. Woe to him who strives with his Maker! Let the potsherds strive with the potsherds of the earth. Will the clay say to him who forms it; What are you making? Or will your handiwork say; He has no hands? Woe to him who says to his father; What are you begetting? Or to his mother; What have you brought forth? This is what Yahweh, the Holy One of Israyl, the One who formed him, says: Ask Me about the things that are coming. Ask Me about My sons, or the work of My hands, which I have given command. I have made the earth, and created man upon it. I, even My hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host I have commanded."
Yeremyah 18:1-12, "This is the word which came to Yeremyah from Yahweh, saying: Arise and go down to the potter's house, and there I will cause you to hear My word. Then I went down to the potter's house, and I saw him working at the wheel. But the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the potter's hand; so he made it again into another vessel, shaping it as it seemed best to the potter to make. Then the word of Yahweh came to me, saying: O house of Israyl, can I not do with you as this potter? says Yahweh: Behold, like the clay in the potter's hand, so are you in My hand, O house of Israyl. At one time I will suddenly announce concerning a nation or kingdom, that it is to be utterly pulled down and destroyed; But if that nation, against whom I have warned, repents of its evil, then I will relent of the affliction I had planned to do to them. And at another time I will suddenly announce concerning a nation or kingdom, that it is to be built up and planted; But if it does evil in My sight and does not obey Me, then I will relent of the righteousness with which I said I would benefit it. Now therefore, speak to the men of Yahdah and to the inhabitants of Yerusalem, saying; This is what Yahweh says: Behold, I am preparing adversity against you, and devising a plan against you. Turn back now every one from his evil way, and reform; make your ways and your doings righteous! But they said; There is no hope for that! So we will walk according to our own devices, and we will all do the imagination of our evil hearts"
Psalm 2, "Why do the heathen rage, and the people plot vanity? The kings of the earth rise up, and the rulers take counsel against Yahweh and His Anointed, saying; Let us break their bands asunder; Let us cast their yoke of bondage from us. He Who sits in the heavens will laugh them to scorn; Yahweh will treat them with derision and contempt! He shall speak to them in wrath! He shall terrify them in His great displeasure, saying: I set My King on Mount Zion, My holy hill. I will proclaim the decree Yahweh declared; Yahweh said to me: You are My Son, this day I have begotten You. Ask of Me, and I will give You the nations for Your inheritance. The ends of the earth will be for Your possession. With a rod of iron You will break the nations; You will dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel! Be wise, therefore, all you rulers; be instructed, you judges of the earth. All of you serve Yahweh with reverence; you shall rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest He be angry, and you perish from the way, when His wrath is kindled only a little. Blessed are they who will then put all their trust in mighty Yahweh; then they will stand as His Own Son."
Isayah 45:5, "I am Yahweh, and there is no other apart from Me. There is no God. I will strengthen you with this knowledge, though you did not recognize that it was Me-- So that they may know from the rising of the sun to the place of its setting that there is none besides Me. I am Yahweh, and there is no other! I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create destruction; I, Yahweh, do all these things. Drop down, you heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness. Let the earth be released; let salvation spring up, and let righteousness grow together; I, Yahweh, have created it. Woe to him who strives with his Maker! Let the potsherds strive with the potsherds of the earth. Will the clay say to him who forms it; What are you making? Or will your handiwork say; He has no hands? Woe to him who says to his father; What are you begetting? Or to his mother; What have you brought forth? This is what Yahweh, the Holy One of Israyl, the One who formed him, says: Ask Me about the things that are coming. Ask Me about My sons, or the work of My hands, which I have given command. I have made the earth, and created man upon it. I, even My hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host I have commanded."
Yeremyah 18:1-12, "This is the word which came to Yeremyah from Yahweh, saying: Arise and go down to the potter's house, and there I will cause you to hear My word. Then I went down to the potter's house, and I saw him working at the wheel. But the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the potter's hand; so he made it again into another vessel, shaping it as it seemed best to the potter to make. Then the word of Yahweh came to me, saying: O house of Israyl, can I not do with you as this potter? says Yahweh: Behold, like the clay in the potter's hand, so are you in My hand, O house of Israyl. At one time I will suddenly announce concerning a nation or kingdom, that it is to be utterly pulled down and destroyed; But if that nation, against whom I have warned, repents of its evil, then I will relent of the affliction I had planned to do to them. And at another time I will suddenly announce concerning a nation or kingdom, that it is to be built up and planted; But if it does evil in My sight and does not obey Me, then I will relent of the righteousness with which I said I would benefit it. Now therefore, speak to the men of Yahdah and to the inhabitants of Yerusalem, saying; This is what Yahweh says: Behold, I am preparing adversity against you, and devising a plan against you. Turn back now every one from his evil way, and reform; make your ways and your doings righteous! But they said; There is no hope for that! So we will walk according to our own devices, and we will all do the imagination of our evil hearts"
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Therefore I do not?
See post #286
And what has been destroyed?
No one has EVER said that. What I and others have said is that grace is the free, unearned, undeserved forgiveness for breaking the Law. With that said, when transgression of the Law is the reason Christ died, should one disregard the Law and use grace like a pass to live in the same routine they lived in? Or should they repent and obey?
Hmmm, let's look at what you said. We should not work at keeping the Law. What is the opposite? Not keeping the Law?
So a real Christian is one who
1) has any number of Gods and doesn't put the true God above them all?
2) has idols and uses worship aids to bow down to?
3) does not hold the name of God in such reverence that he fears to take it lightly or misuse it.
4) works any day he feels like it, no one has the right to tell him to keep a particular day holy.
5) calls it corban and disregards his parents.
6) kills anyone who gets in his way.
7) sleeps around.
8) steals what he can to get ahead.
9) says whatever is expedient for the moment, truth or not.
10) desires what others have to the point of being consumed by it.
Now if you really believe that you should not work at obeying the Ten Commandments, then by all means practice the Lawless commandments above.
See post #286
And what has been destroyed?
No one has EVER said that. What I and others have said is that grace is the free, unearned, undeserved forgiveness for breaking the Law. With that said, when transgression of the Law is the reason Christ died, should one disregard the Law and use grace like a pass to live in the same routine they lived in? Or should they repent and obey?
Hmmm, let's look at what you said. We should not work at keeping the Law. What is the opposite? Not keeping the Law?
So a real Christian is one who
1) has any number of Gods and doesn't put the true God above them all?
2) has idols and uses worship aids to bow down to?
3) does not hold the name of God in such reverence that he fears to take it lightly or misuse it.
4) works any day he feels like it, no one has the right to tell him to keep a particular day holy.
5) calls it corban and disregards his parents.
6) kills anyone who gets in his way.
7) sleeps around.
8) steals what he can to get ahead.
9) says whatever is expedient for the moment, truth or not.
10) desires what others have to the point of being consumed by it.
Now if you really believe that you should not work at obeying the Ten Commandments, then by all means practice the Lawless commandments above.
Forgot this one;
Isayah 29:13-16, "Therefore Yahweh said: Because these people draw near to Me with their mouths and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their hearts far from Me, and their reverence to Me is taught by the precept of men; Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvelous work among this people; a marvelous work and a wonder; for the wisdom of their wise men will perish, and the understanding of their prudent men; discerning, will be hid. Woe to those who seek deep to hide their counsel; plans, from Yahweh, whose works are in the dark, and who say; Who sees us? Who knows us? Truly your turning things upside down will be esteemed as the potter's clay; for will the work say of him who made it; He did not make me? Will the thing that is formed say of him who formed it; He has no understanding?"
Isayah 29:13-16, "Therefore Yahweh said: Because these people draw near to Me with their mouths and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their hearts far from Me, and their reverence to Me is taught by the precept of men; Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvelous work among this people; a marvelous work and a wonder; for the wisdom of their wise men will perish, and the understanding of their prudent men; discerning, will be hid. Woe to those who seek deep to hide their counsel; plans, from Yahweh, whose works are in the dark, and who say; Who sees us? Who knows us? Truly your turning things upside down will be esteemed as the potter's clay; for will the work say of him who made it; He did not make me? Will the thing that is formed say of him who formed it; He has no understanding?"
Thanks for your kind response and words about my site =o). Yeah, there's a lot of material there - it can kind of be overwhelming because when Law-keeping sects cross the paths of Christians there is a lot of sorting out to do. The goal is for JGIG to be a resource - again, to always point to Christ, His Work, and who we are in Him.
Grace and peace to you,
-JGIG
Grace and peace to you,
-JGIG
The blood of Messiah cleanses us of all unrighteousness:
1 John 1:6-10, "If we say that we have fellowship with Him, but walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. But if we walk in the alight, as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Yahshua Messiah His Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us."
however are you willing to know:
Yaaqob 2:26, "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so the faith without works is dead also."
and the only works that are acceptable are:
Mattithyah 7:21-23, "Not everyone who says to Me; Teacher! Teacher! will enter into the Kingdom of Yahweh, but only he who does the will of My Father Who is in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day; Teacher! Teacher! Have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and in Your Name performed many wonderful works? But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."
Might be, no, is of crucial importance to know EXACTLY what INIQUITY is, as I would not recommend that any practice it...
Mattithyah 7:24-27, "Therefore, everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat against that house; but it did not fall, for it was founded upon the rock. But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, but does not do them, is like a foolish man who built his house upon the sand; And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat against that house; and it fell, and great was the fall of it."
1 John 1:6-10, "If we say that we have fellowship with Him, but walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. But if we walk in the alight, as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Yahshua Messiah His Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us."
however are you willing to know:
Yaaqob 2:26, "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so the faith without works is dead also."
and the only works that are acceptable are:
Mattithyah 7:21-23, "Not everyone who says to Me; Teacher! Teacher! will enter into the Kingdom of Yahweh, but only he who does the will of My Father Who is in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day; Teacher! Teacher! Have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and in Your Name performed many wonderful works? But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."
Might be, no, is of crucial importance to know EXACTLY what INIQUITY is, as I would not recommend that any practice it...
Mattithyah 7:24-27, "Therefore, everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat against that house; but it did not fall, for it was founded upon the rock. But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, but does not do them, is like a foolish man who built his house upon the sand; And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat against that house; and it fell, and great was the fall of it."
He (Christ) says:
Mattithyah 7:21-23, "Not everyone who says to Me; Teacher! Teacher! will enter into the Kingdom of Yahweh, but only he who does the will of My Father Who is in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day; Teacher! Teacher! Have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and in Your Name performed many wonderful works? But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."
Mattithyah 7:21-23, "Not everyone who says to Me; Teacher! Teacher! will enter into the Kingdom of Yahweh, but only he who does the will of My Father Who is in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day; Teacher! Teacher! Have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and in Your Name performed many wonderful works? But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."
Hiz, I believe grandpa is right, we rest in Gods will, not of our own " flesh " ... The law is not done away with though, just as you say, because people need a teacher, the teacher is the Words of God, so the law stands for those in the flesh that haven't yet received the Holy Spirit, it's not our will anymore, it's thy kingdom come " thy will be done " on earth as it is in heaven... Those who " practice " iniquity are not doing the will of God, they are those who serve sin and never were sealed with the Holy Spirit.
Of course he is right, im not disagreeing Im just showing the next step, IMO.
For Messiah said:
Matt 11:27-30, "All things have been delivered to Me by My Father. And no one fully knows the Son except the Father, neither does anyone fully know the Father, except the Son and those whom Yahweh wills the Son to reveal. Come to Me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light"
But there is no way to "experience His rest without hearing and obeying what He says." I lnow humans have been traind to automatically link "obedience" with "flesh" LOL True obedience only comes from the Spirit...
IMO His rest is freedom form the ways of the world, you and I BOTH know the stress and pain the world and it's ways cause, yet when we listen to Him the majority if not all of that stress and pain of the world has no bearing any longer.
So what Im trying to say is His words lead to His rest, how could we "come to Him" without following His path? Just Leaving it at, "His rest" that could mean anything, you know, Im not implying this on any, rather giving an example, "today I rested in His rest, watched a football game, ate some potato chips, the rest was so great I just wiped the chip grease on my shirt." Ok lol that is an extreme, but none the less minor or major example, my point remains the same.
These are the following verses after what I just posted:
Mattithyah 7:24-27, "Therefore, everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat against that house; but it did not fall, for it was founded upon the rock. But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, but does not do them, is like a foolish man who built his house upon the sand; And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat against that house; and it fell, and great was the fall of it."
So, not being haughty, just being open, I do not see how there was any error in saying, His rest, His words....
For Messiah said:
Matt 11:27-30, "All things have been delivered to Me by My Father. And no one fully knows the Son except the Father, neither does anyone fully know the Father, except the Son and those whom Yahweh wills the Son to reveal. Come to Me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light"
But there is no way to "experience His rest without hearing and obeying what He says." I lnow humans have been traind to automatically link "obedience" with "flesh" LOL True obedience only comes from the Spirit...
IMO His rest is freedom form the ways of the world, you and I BOTH know the stress and pain the world and it's ways cause, yet when we listen to Him the majority if not all of that stress and pain of the world has no bearing any longer.
So what Im trying to say is His words lead to His rest, how could we "come to Him" without following His path? Just Leaving it at, "His rest" that could mean anything, you know, Im not implying this on any, rather giving an example, "today I rested in His rest, watched a football game, ate some potato chips, the rest was so great I just wiped the chip grease on my shirt." Ok lol that is an extreme, but none the less minor or major example, my point remains the same.
These are the following verses after what I just posted:
Mattithyah 7:24-27, "Therefore, everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat against that house; but it did not fall, for it was founded upon the rock. But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, but does not do them, is like a foolish man who built his house upon the sand; And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat against that house; and it fell, and great was the fall of it."
So, not being haughty, just being open, I do not see how there was any error in saying, His rest, His words....