HIZIKYAH'S TOPIC: DID PAUL SIN [DESPITE BEING T DESIGNATED HUMAN EXAMPLE IN THE NT]?
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Yaaqob 2:26, "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so the faith without works is dead also."
Mattithyah 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."
"iniquity" is:#0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might (Deut 6:5). This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself (Lev 19:18). On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
Romans 13:9-10, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."
Deuteronomy 6:5, "And you must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might."
Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."
1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."
Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Mattithyah 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."
"iniquity" is:#0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might (Deut 6:5). This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself (Lev 19:18). On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
Romans 13:9-10, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."
Deuteronomy 6:5, "And you must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might."
Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."
1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."
Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Ok, lemme see, you contend that the testimony of Jesus are the words spoken by the Son in the last days. John says this...
Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
Your explanation is hooey, I gotta go with John on this one.
Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
Your explanation is hooey, I gotta go with John on this one.
What about? "and"
"who keep the *commandments of God and hold to the *testimony"
Did I miss read that verse.... did it say:
...Or did it say:
Because you seem to have COMPLETELY ignored half of what is written.... Written in the New Testament Scripture.... the final written Message given to mankind, a great warning.... The Revelation of Yahshua Messiah....
"who keep the *commandments of God and hold to the *testimony"
Did I miss read that verse.... did it say:
...Or did it say:
Because you seem to have COMPLETELY ignored half of what is written.... Written in the New Testament Scripture.... the final written Message given to mankind, a great warning.... The Revelation of Yahshua Messiah....
C
And I'm labeled a "Legalist" since being a member here - and oh yes, also Catholic and Mormon as well. LoL. Now I'm laughing --- because you've topped even those assumptions that they've gotten just by our posts.
Do you live with me? Or do you have some sort of "inner peace meter" that's attached to your monitor?
If you want to keep bumping this thread for the world to see and see your friend's view of the Apostle Paul, I don't see what good you're doing for him.
But as far as you gauging or judging other's 'Peace-Level' -- I'm sorry but that's amazing because there's virtually no way for you to know a person without meeting them and talking with them 'live' or at least by phone in the real world. But the real world doesn't seem to matter to some anymore.
Do you live with me? Or do you have some sort of "inner peace meter" that's attached to your monitor?
If you want to keep bumping this thread for the world to see and see your friend's view of the Apostle Paul, I don't see what good you're doing for him.
But as far as you gauging or judging other's 'Peace-Level' -- I'm sorry but that's amazing because there's virtually no way for you to know a person without meeting them and talking with them 'live' or at least by phone in the real world. But the real world doesn't seem to matter to some anymore.
Re: HIZIKYAH'S TOPIC: DID PAUL SIN [DESPITE BEING T DESIGNATED HUMAN EXAMPLE IN THE
John (Yahchanan) 14:6, "Yahshua proclaimed to him: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father, except through Me."
John 7:16-17 "Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching--whether it comes from Yahweh, or whether I am speaking of My own authority."
John 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."
John (Yahchanan) 14:6, "Yahshua proclaimed to him: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father, except through Me."
John 7:16-17 "Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching--whether it comes from Yahweh, or whether I am speaking of My own authority."
John 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."
Why do you constantly pick about "Hebrew" all I do is use HIS REAL name, is it that you have an issue with?
Where did I speak Hebrew?
This is Hebrew: יהוה
This is English: Yahweh
Do you say AMEN? For that is a Hebrew word (aww-mane) transliterated into english, just like YHWH/Yahweh/Yahuwah is...
Isayah 42:8, "I am Yahweh, that is MY NAME; and My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."
Micahyah (Micah) 4:5, "For all people walk each in the name of his god (430 - elohim), but we will walk in the Name of Yahweh (3068 - Yhvh) our Father forever and ever."
Yeremyah 23:26-27, "How long will this be in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies? Yes, they are prophets of the deceit of their own minds plan and scheme, to cause My people to forget My Name through their dreams, which they tell every man to his neighbor, just as their fathers have forgotten My Name for Baal."
Where did I speak Hebrew?
This is Hebrew: יהוה
This is English: Yahweh
Do you say AMEN? For that is a Hebrew word (aww-mane) transliterated into english, just like YHWH/Yahweh/Yahuwah is...
Isayah 42:8, "I am Yahweh, that is MY NAME; and My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."
Micahyah (Micah) 4:5, "For all people walk each in the name of his god (430 - elohim), but we will walk in the Name of Yahweh (3068 - Yhvh) our Father forever and ever."
Yeremyah 23:26-27, "How long will this be in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies? Yes, they are prophets of the deceit of their own minds plan and scheme, to cause My people to forget My Name through their dreams, which they tell every man to his neighbor, just as their fathers have forgotten My Name for Baal."
K
Re: HIZIKYAH'S TOPIC: DID PAUL SIN [DESPITE BEING T DESIGNATED HUMAN EXAMPLE IN THE
Hey I didn't mean to break a membrane i was just asking why. Is there something wrong with Jesus, Lord, or God? why what does it do for you, I'm just curious and do not condemn nor look down you. What does it do for you if anything?
Hey I didn't mean to break a membrane i was just asking why. Is there something wrong with Jesus, Lord, or God? why what does it do for you, I'm just curious and do not condemn nor look down you. What does it do for you if anything?
K
I'm glad you're laughing at least.
just seemed to me you were getting upset, and I mean no harm, but why do we have to walk on eggshells around each other? Why can't we discuss without theatrics? Maybe it doesn't seem like theatrics to you, but tears mentioned and heart pills, talk of getting people gone from this site, de-friending, how many likes we give.. and such...I was genuinely concerned. We are all human with feelings. I am sorry if I've offended you, but I feel strongly about my faith too ya know, guess we all do. I daresay there are any 2 people who think exactly alike, but some of your posts seemed u were upset, so now I know u r not, so again, sorry i misunderstood.
just seemed to me you were getting upset, and I mean no harm, but why do we have to walk on eggshells around each other? Why can't we discuss without theatrics? Maybe it doesn't seem like theatrics to you, but tears mentioned and heart pills, talk of getting people gone from this site, de-friending, how many likes we give.. and such...I was genuinely concerned. We are all human with feelings. I am sorry if I've offended you, but I feel strongly about my faith too ya know, guess we all do. I daresay there are any 2 people who think exactly alike, but some of your posts seemed u were upset, so now I know u r not, so again, sorry i misunderstood.
C
One greater than Paul is here - for one that finds numerous faults in Paul or any other writer of our Scriptures, considers themselves Above Paul or any other Apostle.
Karraster - this above was Hiz's last reply to me when I left this thread.
And this is my last reply to this twilight zone-ish unbelievable thread that's chock full of insults aimed at Paul and attempts to turn us away from believing that we have in our hands the Inerrant Word of GOD!
It's given those who desire the excuse to not believe that The Word that we have in our possession now is Divinely Inspired in it's entirety and the excuse to pick and choose what they deem as Not Divinely Inspired and there's plenty of those that love to "pick and choose what should be taken literally or allegorically" that can be aided in that errror by posts like these against Paul.
When anyone questions the inerrant-cy of The Word of God in the language that all of the writers of the N.T. have written it in ... no matter which they quote ... they've shed doubt in some 'unlearned or unstable' person's mind of the trust-worthiness of what we call The Scriptures.
I don't stand by anyone that causes doubt in the anyone's mind [especially those of new or unlearned believers] of the inerrant-cy & trust-worthiness of the writers of Scripture - thus giving ammunition to the enemy of the Spirit of Truth that wrote and lived through those men ... All of them -- and thus saying that what they believe is Above the lives of the man whom GOD Himself chose to write 1/2 of our New Covenant.
Anyone that causes doubt on the Scriptures or any vessel that HE used to pen the words of Scripture, is one that I would expose for what he's doing [again, from page 1 of this thread and on from there] and after so many corrections on who it is that he's belittling or finding Fault in - it's time to turn one's back on them and turn them over to The Author of The Word of God, Himself.
Enough has been said - except to repeat - "One greater than Paul is here" because only one greater in knowledge and choice of language can correct another, as Paul's been dragged through the mud on this very sorrow-filled thread.
Scripturally Foolish to keep bumping it.
Kerry really? You have picked at me about this exact issue how many times, 20 or more over a span of what 12+ months?
Has my answer changed?
and what has happened every time? You mention something, I reply, you do not reply to anything I say, then come back a few days and do it again, PLEASE PLEASE, re-quote my post and LETS walk throught it togather and talk about how we feel and how this isuse can be resolved? It does nothing well to continue to pick, run, pick, run, pick, run..... and Kerry don;t get offended over that, for we know eachother on here and I know (ok *think*) you dont get uptight about something that
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So
Look any one can call the Father of the Messiah anything they choose, that is up o them.
When I called out in sincerity I called "Father" He answered, He led me to know His name.
Now I personal do see a problem with a complete removal of the name of the Most High as it goes against the 3rd commandment, and thus is not loving Yah. I judge none, would it be judgement if I said murder was onrg? Why do I get accused for judgement in this matter but not for saying murder is wrong?
Ezekiyl 18:20-28, "...Is not My way equal? Are not your ways unequal?..."
Do you agree with this verse?
Acts 5:29, "Then Kepha and the other apostles answered, and said; We must obey Yahwehrather than men."
I just posted this in another thread, I will re-post here:
You can follow the translations of the Pharisees that remove the Name of the Most High, I choose not to
The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 7 page 680
The personal name... written in the Hebrew Bible with the four consonants YHWH and is referred to as the "Tetragrammaton." At least until the destruction of the First Temple in 586 B.C.E. this name was regularly pronounced with its proper vowels, as is clear from the Lachish Letters, written shortly before that date. But at least by the third century B.C.E. the pronunciation of the name YHWH was avoided and Adonai,"the Lord,"was substituted for it.
The Jewish Encyclopedia Volume 9, pages 162-163
The restriction upon communicating the Name proper probably originated in Oriental etiquette; in the East even a teacher was not called by name. For naming his master Elisha, Gehazi was punished with leprosy (II Kings viii. 5; Sanh. 100a). After the death of the high priest Simeon the Righteous, forty years prior to the destruction of the Temple, the priests ceased to pronounce the Name (Yoma 39b). From that time the pronunciation of the Name was prohibited. "Whoever pronounces the Name forfeits his portion in the future world" (Sanhedrin xi. 1). Hananiah ben Teradion was punished for teaching his disciples the pronunciation of the Name (`Ab. Zarah 17b).
Exodus 20:7, "You shall not take the Name of Yahweh your strength to bring it to nothing, for Yahweh will not hold him guiltless who brings it to nothing."
7723 - shav
NAS Exhaustive Concordance - Word Origin from an unused word - Definition: emptiness, vanity
7723 - shav
Brown-Driver-Briggs שָׁוְא noun [masculine] emptiness, vanity
7723 - shav
Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) emptiness, vanity, falsehood - 1a) emptiness, nothingness, vanity - 1b) emptiness of speech, lying - 1c) worthlessness (of conduct)
Psalm 8:9, "How excellent is Your great Name in all the earth, Yahweh, King of the World!"
Psalm 44:20-21, "If we have forgotten Your Name, Yahweh, or if we stretched out our hands to hinder gods, Would You not search this out, Yahweh? For You know the secrets of the heart."
Our Heavenly Father has many titles, but only 1 Name.
Yeremyah 23:26-27, "How long will this be in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies? Yes, they are prophets of the deceit of their own minds plan and scheme, to cause My people to forget My Name through their dreams, which they tell every man to his neighbor, just as their fathers have forgotten My Name for Baal."
Yahshua 24:15, "...BUT AS FOR ME AND MY HOUSE: WE WILL SERVE YAHWEH!"
Psalm 116:13, "We will take the cup of salvation, and we will call upon Your Name, O Yahweh."
Psalm 22:22, "I will declare Your Name to My brothers! In the midst of the congregation I will give You praise!"
Has my answer changed?
and what has happened every time? You mention something, I reply, you do not reply to anything I say, then come back a few days and do it again, PLEASE PLEASE, re-quote my post and LETS walk throught it togather and talk about how we feel and how this isuse can be resolved? It does nothing well to continue to pick, run, pick, run, pick, run..... and Kerry don;t get offended over that, for we know eachother on here and I know (ok *think*) you dont get uptight about something that
be-nine...
So
Look any one can call the Father of the Messiah anything they choose, that is up o them.
When I called out in sincerity I called "Father" He answered, He led me to know His name.
Now I personal do see a problem with a complete removal of the name of the Most High as it goes against the 3rd commandment, and thus is not loving Yah. I judge none, would it be judgement if I said murder was onrg? Why do I get accused for judgement in this matter but not for saying murder is wrong?
Ezekiyl 18:20-28, "...Is not My way equal? Are not your ways unequal?..."
Do you agree with this verse?
Acts 5:29, "Then Kepha and the other apostles answered, and said; We must obey Yahwehrather than men."
I just posted this in another thread, I will re-post here:
You can follow the translations of the Pharisees that remove the Name of the Most High, I choose not to
The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 7 page 680
The personal name... written in the Hebrew Bible with the four consonants YHWH and is referred to as the "Tetragrammaton." At least until the destruction of the First Temple in 586 B.C.E. this name was regularly pronounced with its proper vowels, as is clear from the Lachish Letters, written shortly before that date. But at least by the third century B.C.E. the pronunciation of the name YHWH was avoided and Adonai,"the Lord,"was substituted for it.
The Jewish Encyclopedia Volume 9, pages 162-163
The restriction upon communicating the Name proper probably originated in Oriental etiquette; in the East even a teacher was not called by name. For naming his master Elisha, Gehazi was punished with leprosy (II Kings viii. 5; Sanh. 100a). After the death of the high priest Simeon the Righteous, forty years prior to the destruction of the Temple, the priests ceased to pronounce the Name (Yoma 39b). From that time the pronunciation of the Name was prohibited. "Whoever pronounces the Name forfeits his portion in the future world" (Sanhedrin xi. 1). Hananiah ben Teradion was punished for teaching his disciples the pronunciation of the Name (`Ab. Zarah 17b).
Exodus 20:7, "You shall not take the Name of Yahweh your strength to bring it to nothing, for Yahweh will not hold him guiltless who brings it to nothing."
7723 - shav
NAS Exhaustive Concordance - Word Origin from an unused word - Definition: emptiness, vanity
7723 - shav
Brown-Driver-Briggs שָׁוְא noun [masculine] emptiness, vanity
7723 - shav
Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) emptiness, vanity, falsehood - 1a) emptiness, nothingness, vanity - 1b) emptiness of speech, lying - 1c) worthlessness (of conduct)
Psalm 8:9, "How excellent is Your great Name in all the earth, Yahweh, King of the World!"
Psalm 44:20-21, "If we have forgotten Your Name, Yahweh, or if we stretched out our hands to hinder gods, Would You not search this out, Yahweh? For You know the secrets of the heart."
Our Heavenly Father has many titles, but only 1 Name.
Yeremyah 23:26-27, "How long will this be in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies? Yes, they are prophets of the deceit of their own minds plan and scheme, to cause My people to forget My Name through their dreams, which they tell every man to his neighbor, just as their fathers have forgotten My Name for Baal."
Yahshua 24:15, "...BUT AS FOR ME AND MY HOUSE: WE WILL SERVE YAHWEH!"
Psalm 116:13, "We will take the cup of salvation, and we will call upon Your Name, O Yahweh."
Psalm 22:22, "I will declare Your Name to My brothers! In the midst of the congregation I will give You praise!"
K
Re: HIZIKYAH'S TOPIC: DID PAUL SIN [DESPITE BEING T DESIGNATED HUMAN EXAMPLE IN THE
Yahshua 24:15, "...BUT AS FOR ME AND MY HOUSE: WE WILL SERVE YAHWEH!"
did you mean Joshua, how do you tell the difference? I'm not condemning you I just wonder why? I know that you love God or YAH. But why speak in this manner. I Meant if I were on a construction sight and I said praise YAH. They would run me of the job and if I asked do you know Yahshua, the would tell me where to go. But if I said Jesus, they would know exactly what I'm talking about and if I said praise God they would shrug their shoulders and keep working. What does it do for you is all I want to know?
Yahshua 24:15, "...BUT AS FOR ME AND MY HOUSE: WE WILL SERVE YAHWEH!"
did you mean Joshua, how do you tell the difference? I'm not condemning you I just wonder why? I know that you love God or YAH. But why speak in this manner. I Meant if I were on a construction sight and I said praise YAH. They would run me of the job and if I asked do you know Yahshua, the would tell me where to go. But if I said Jesus, they would know exactly what I'm talking about and if I said praise God they would shrug their shoulders and keep working. What does it do for you is all I want to know?
C
Re: HIZIKYAH'S TOPIC: DID PAUL SIN [DESPITE BEING T DESIGNATED HUMAN EXAMPLE IN THE
But ALL of the writers of the New Covenant wrote His Name in GREEK. LoL
Some greater than they are here!
Unbelievable. A Jew won't even say His Name - just the four letters - but y'all are even better than them - not only just better than the writers of the New Covenant.
Unbelivable - but at least you got me laughing again ... You're even better than JOHN now!
May the Author of The New Covenant forgive you for slam-dunking all of the languages around the globe that call HIM by His Name in their native tongue as well.
But ALL of the writers of the New Covenant wrote His Name in GREEK. LoL
Some greater than they are here!
Unbelievable. A Jew won't even say His Name - just the four letters - but y'all are even better than them - not only just better than the writers of the New Covenant.
Unbelivable - but at least you got me laughing again ... You're even better than JOHN now!
May the Author of The New Covenant forgive you for slam-dunking all of the languages around the globe that call HIM by His Name in their native tongue as well.