Are Catholics saved?
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God always had a faithful remnant, just look at the Abigensians and
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Waldensians, Waldenses or Vaudois are names for a Christian evangelical movement of the later Middle Ages, descendants of which still exist in various regions. Over time, the denomination joined the Genevan or Reformed branch of Protestantism. About the earlier history of the Waldenses considerable uncertainty exists because of a lack of extant source material.[1] They were persecuted as heretical in the 12th century onwards, endured near annihilation in the 17th century,[2] and were then confronted with organized and generalized discrimination in centuries that followed.[3][4][5] There are active congregations in Europe, South America, and North America. The contemporary and historic Waldensian spiritual heritage includes proclaiming the Gospel, serving the marginalized, promoting social justice, fostering inter-religious work, and advocating respect for religious diversity and freedom of conscience.[6] Modern Waldensians are gathered in the Waldensian Evangelical Church.
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I'm Byzantine Catholic, we've always had the cup where both elements are mixed. 
But even then, I've found that when I visit the nearby Roman rite parishes, they offer the cup in addition to the bread.
And I always confess to Jesus. When you go to confession you don't confess to the priest, but to Jesus! It is Christ who offers forgiveness, and He saw fit to give us a way to know that we are forgiven through the ministry of His duly selected priests.
But even then, I've found that when I visit the nearby Roman rite parishes, they offer the cup in addition to the bread.And I always confess to Jesus. When you go to confession you don't confess to the priest, but to Jesus! It is Christ who offers forgiveness, and He saw fit to give us a way to know that we are forgiven through the ministry of His duly selected priests.
I can't wait for Saturday night to roll around - I usually confess seconds after I have sinned
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I can confirm both.
Many Churches give both bread and wine, and you do indeed confess your sins to Jesus. 80% of confession is praying to Jesus. The other 20% is the priest giving you advice on how to overcome your temptation/how to avoid sin.
And I'm just saying. In a completely non theological right/wrong point of view. To be able to just pour your heart out and admit you suck at life in the presence of another person, is quite humbling and definitely takes a huge burden off your back as you have someone to share it with and give you advice
Many Churches give both bread and wine, and you do indeed confess your sins to Jesus. 80% of confession is praying to Jesus. The other 20% is the priest giving you advice on how to overcome your temptation/how to avoid sin.
And I'm just saying. In a completely non theological right/wrong point of view. To be able to just pour your heart out and admit you suck at life in the presence of another person, is quite humbling and definitely takes a huge burden off your back as you have someone to share it with and give you advice
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Many people judge things as they hear them not as they are, Catholics love Christ more than you will ever know. We forgive you for your wrong thinking because some day you will be Catholic too, If you love Christ you will go to Christmas Mass and see for your self what it is all about. Wouldn't you like to be this loving and forgiving?
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This is the challenge: Jesus did not give us the option of being or not being a part of the church. How that works in each life may vary. You obviously are never going to find the perfect church. Worshipping at home is not a good option ("the eye cannot say to the foot, I have no need of you"), you are needed in the church and you are commanded to need the church. In Revelation there were churches with significant problems but only one was in danger of ceasing to be a church ("I will take away your candlestick"). I realize that there are some who cannot come to chrurch (and church ought to go to them) and I realize that some of the functions of the church can happen electronically, but not all. I would urge each of you to prayerfully consider this. We cannot set aside what our Lord has ordained.
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Another reason why it is uncommon to receive from the cup is simply that some people are clumsy. You don't want what you believe is the true blood of your savior spilt on the floor because Butterfingers was a little loose in their grip. The other idea is that there is no division in Christ, so if you receive the host, you get just as much Jesus - to put it crudely- as if you receive from the cup as well, or only from the cup. Allowing people to receive from the cup is one of those things that doesn't *have* to be done, but can be done. If you have a church of 3,000 people at mass, it can be very impractical to offer the body and the blood, and there is more danger of spilling it as it goes to many many hands. Mind you, the average age of the youngest communicant is 8 and the oldest is, well, as old as old people get. At both ends of that spectrum you have some unsteady hands. It is a lot easier to pick a host up from the floor intact than it is to dab the wine up.
Reminds me of that scene from the Passion when Mary is wiping her son's blood off the ground after the flogging...we take loving care to make sure we get it up after it is spilt, but we don't want to spill it in the first place...
Reminds me of that scene from the Passion when Mary is wiping her son's blood off the ground after the flogging...we take loving care to make sure we get it up after it is spilt, but we don't want to spill it in the first place...
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Personally I feel the organization behind the Catholic church takes way too many liberties, such as giving the Pope the priveldege to be able to chage / modify / amend concepts based on scripture. I do not see where or how this can be justified through scripture,which is the uncompromised Word of God which, once promised, can not change.
However, juast because I do not agree with the organization of the Catholic church, that does not mean that I feel all Catholics are going to hell. The bible describes in simple terms what it means and what we need to do to be saved. I feel it is quite possible that there are saved people in the catholic church.
However, juast because I do not agree with the organization of the Catholic church, that does not mean that I feel all Catholics are going to hell. The bible describes in simple terms what it means and what we need to do to be saved. I feel it is quite possible that there are saved people in the catholic church.
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So the question is, has at least some Catholics whole-heartedly given their lives to Jesus as their Lord and Savior? I have met more than one Catholic that exhibit more devotion to Jesus and fruits of the Spirit than many Protestants.[/quote]
Machew, I certainly understand what you're saying and we don't have the right to judge the heart of another, especially on the basis of a disagreement in minor areas of theology, but we must also be careful not to accept or inadvertantly condone, religious idolatry, considering it godly, simply because those who participate in the rituals seem to be zealously devoted.
Muslims, (though they do not acknowledge Jesus as the Son of God and Savior of the world), are extremely devoted and more prayerful than some christians. Buddhists (though they do not submit to the truth of the bible), are very passionate in their pursuit of wisdom. Hindus, (though they are among some of the most idolatrous of the world's religions), are at times fanatical in their manner of worship.
The bible is very specific on setting forth criteria by which a person can be saved. It's correct that all of us should refrain from judging individuals, but as we support each other and warn each other, it is necessary to recognize extreme doctrinal errors which border on heresy or idolatry.
My fiance' is from the Philippines where she practiced roman catholocism. I definately had great concerns about the grave errors in doctrine and the practice of the extreme veneration of Mary. This was something that would have impacted on our lives as a couple. We spoke about these things and actually spent hours in the word. I eventually developed the understanding that, while she considered herself a catholic, her devotion to it was more cultural than spiritual. She recently accepted Jesus Christ into her heart as I prayed with her and we are awaiting the completion of immigration paperwork.
Knowing what is of God and what is not of God, is something that we must judge for ourselves on a daily basis, and warning others is by no means sinful or judgmental,( if we are not condemning them). It is important to point out practices which are contrary to the fundemental teachings of the bible, not through arguing but in biblical discussion after studying to show ourselves approved, as someone who correctly handles the word of truth. When individuals turn from idolatrous practices, it is rarely as the result of debate or confrontation, but rather, as a result of divine encounters orchestrated by the Holy Spirit. Until then, we can only pray for an opportunity to be used by God to introduce the truth of the word.
In this present age, this world is quickly developing a multi-religious doctrine which passifies those who have grown weary of truth. Let us not be swept away in the current.
Machew, I certainly understand what you're saying and we don't have the right to judge the heart of another, especially on the basis of a disagreement in minor areas of theology, but we must also be careful not to accept or inadvertantly condone, religious idolatry, considering it godly, simply because those who participate in the rituals seem to be zealously devoted.
Muslims, (though they do not acknowledge Jesus as the Son of God and Savior of the world), are extremely devoted and more prayerful than some christians. Buddhists (though they do not submit to the truth of the bible), are very passionate in their pursuit of wisdom. Hindus, (though they are among some of the most idolatrous of the world's religions), are at times fanatical in their manner of worship.
The bible is very specific on setting forth criteria by which a person can be saved. It's correct that all of us should refrain from judging individuals, but as we support each other and warn each other, it is necessary to recognize extreme doctrinal errors which border on heresy or idolatry.
My fiance' is from the Philippines where she practiced roman catholocism. I definately had great concerns about the grave errors in doctrine and the practice of the extreme veneration of Mary. This was something that would have impacted on our lives as a couple. We spoke about these things and actually spent hours in the word. I eventually developed the understanding that, while she considered herself a catholic, her devotion to it was more cultural than spiritual. She recently accepted Jesus Christ into her heart as I prayed with her and we are awaiting the completion of immigration paperwork.
Knowing what is of God and what is not of God, is something that we must judge for ourselves on a daily basis, and warning others is by no means sinful or judgmental,( if we are not condemning them). It is important to point out practices which are contrary to the fundemental teachings of the bible, not through arguing but in biblical discussion after studying to show ourselves approved, as someone who correctly handles the word of truth. When individuals turn from idolatrous practices, it is rarely as the result of debate or confrontation, but rather, as a result of divine encounters orchestrated by the Holy Spirit. Until then, we can only pray for an opportunity to be used by God to introduce the truth of the word.
In this present age, this world is quickly developing a multi-religious doctrine which passifies those who have grown weary of truth. Let us not be swept away in the current.
You know, it's funny. I know so many Catholics who were raised Protestant like I was, who later became Catholic because that is where they felt the Lord calling them to be, and I've yet to find one who really attacks their old denomination. Most remember it fondly, I frequently hear from one of my friends who was raised Southern Baptist how grateful he is that he was encouraged to read the Scriptures daily and how much he enjoys it. I hear from another friend who was raised Presbyterian who reminisces fondly over how his old church would work closely with the homeless and how it made him really appreciate the gifts he'd been given. In my own example I look at my grandmother's example, a devout Baptist, who always has supported me and told me to talk to Jesus whenever I have problems. She was always unafraid to practice her faith, even in public. She never pushed her faith, but she never hid it either, and I try hard to emulate her.
For me, I came to the Catholic Church because of it's devotion to Scripture, and most especially it's devotion to Jesus. Everything the Church teaches is focused on Jesus, or is a reflection of Jesus. We emulate the saints because they are examples of how a human can follow Jesus in a way we an appreciate. We accept Jesus into our hearts, we also accept His mother as our own. We trust in the promises of the Scriptures which tells us that Abraham, Isaac, Jacob (and implies that there are more) are not dead, but alive in Christ. We know from Paul's writings that our brothers and sisters in Christ who enter into glory are still aware of us and cheer us on, so we ask them to pray for us.
I find it sad that there are still so many who rail against a false vision of what the Catholic Church teaches. But I know that it is possible to come out of that snare of deception that the devil uses to pit Christians against each other. I too at one time railed against "romanism" and tried desperately to save my Catholic friends, but in the end, they saved me. May this Christmas season see the Lord come and deliver you from the false snares the devil has laid out to deceive you and show you that we Catholics are your brothers and sisters in Christ and that we love you.
For me, I came to the Catholic Church because of it's devotion to Scripture, and most especially it's devotion to Jesus. Everything the Church teaches is focused on Jesus, or is a reflection of Jesus. We emulate the saints because they are examples of how a human can follow Jesus in a way we an appreciate. We accept Jesus into our hearts, we also accept His mother as our own. We trust in the promises of the Scriptures which tells us that Abraham, Isaac, Jacob (and implies that there are more) are not dead, but alive in Christ. We know from Paul's writings that our brothers and sisters in Christ who enter into glory are still aware of us and cheer us on, so we ask them to pray for us.
I find it sad that there are still so many who rail against a false vision of what the Catholic Church teaches. But I know that it is possible to come out of that snare of deception that the devil uses to pit Christians against each other. I too at one time railed against "romanism" and tried desperately to save my Catholic friends, but in the end, they saved me. May this Christmas season see the Lord come and deliver you from the false snares the devil has laid out to deceive you and show you that we Catholics are your brothers and sisters in Christ and that we love you.
Paul never said that they will pray for us after they leave this world. for the bible say that Jesus pray for us;
HEBREWS CHAPTER 7
For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; 2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; 3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. 4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils. 5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham 6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises. 7 And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better. 8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth. 9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham. 10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him. 11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. 13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar. 14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood. 15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, 16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life. 17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. 18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. 19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God. 20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest 21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec ) 22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament. 23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death 24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. 25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. 26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; 27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself. 28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.
If you read what Paul is saying in this chapter; that their is no need anymore for preist that we go to for to confess our sins to, other rhan Jesus himself. in the first few verses Paul is saying that Jesus had no begining or an end; he always was. and in verse 25 he is able to save and he forever make intercession for us.
there is nowhere in the bible that say that the Apostles will do anything for us after their departure from the earth; before the New Jerusalem which will come down from heaven.
if you read the bible you will also see that we all who believe in Christ and do those things he commanded us in faith; are ALL SAINTS. we are not voted for after death, nor appointed by man. the saints are ALL the children of God..... and the Children of God are Only those who are in Christ by FAITH and not works of the flesh. for the Bile say that we are the seed of Abraham by Faith and not of the flaesh......
I am sorry; If you think that I am attacking you, because I not; but what is being taught and what you believe is wrong.
I do not interprate the bible nor do I look at the worlds theology; I have and always look to God to give me revealation of him and him in his Word.
I have the Holy Spirit who has taught me everything; I am convicted of him if I say or do anything wrong. I speak this to you with love; never with pride. for it is not me anyone have to answer to. I am only a messenger, a vessel God uses to get his love and Word out; I care not for how anyone look at me nor what other say about me; for Christ I live and for Christ I am willing to die. I want the world to walk in the truth and what they teach is not All true.
I have seen where the things God has giving us All power to have as his children; they only teach that some who are in leadership can have.
for example;..... the power to cast out devils ( exorcises ) the families call priest to do the job; but God said he has given us all power to tread upon serpents and scorpions ( demons and devils ) and oever All the powers of the ENEMY !!!! he has given us the power to bind and loose..... the full armour of God.... we fight a warfare against the spirits and not man... you have that power if you are a true christian.. you have the power to heal... to see visions.... to see spirits ( good and evil ) speak in new tongues ... and so much more as the Holy Spirit give severally as he will; the gifts of God. I Cor. 12.
All I say from this point is to read the Word for yourself; don't take my word for nor anyone else no matter who they say they are from God; for it will be you and only you who will be held accountable to our God. so as the Word of God say:
II Timothy 2:15 Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
may you be blessed as you seek God and not man for the truth unto salvation.
Christmas mass?????? what this is not even in the bible...... there is no hildays in the bible; none .... but catholics celebrate them all. for they are all a form of pagen worship.... look up the oringin of these things... easte eggs ( a way the dead come back in reincarnation) ... easter bunny ( a fertility god) so is the gualupe, the statue of a woman holding a baby ( the old goddess diana) eveything the people do in their " tradictional practices are demonic, Jeremiah tell you about the decorating of the tree ( which they used as a god ) holloween.... chech it out yourself.... I will never walk away from the God of the Bible to serve a god who immitate the true and living God. show me a catholic who love Christ; and not bow there knees to a statue or picture of a image the call chrst or mary or one of the Apostels and pray and worship them..... for anything you BOW down and Worship you have made into a god. you can say Jesus all you want... for this is how many will be deceived..and is and has already was even to giving up their very lives through false teachings....... Show mw a catholic who convictions are from the Holy Spirit of God and not to man... their shame is the the physical cchurch (man ) and not to God. they fell they must hide their sins from each others when God see them everyday. or they can do what they want and then go to confessionals { which is man ) then is told they are forgiving ( say ten hail marys and maybe three of somethings else) and go sin nomore. say someone hed to wait till the end of the week ( which I'm sure thousand may have ) to go to confessionals or there is not a catholic church for at least a hundred miles away; how then do they ask for forgivness; say they die before they get a chance to confess to a man their sins; where do their soul go? whan all they have to do is get down on their kness; or go into their prayer closet ( be alone) and ask God in the name of Jesus to forgive them and to remove everything that is not like him from their hearts and minds; that they sin no more against God. and not just pray when they need something but to God alone they bless and give the glory. for he said he will not share it with another.
I will pray for your soul; while you are in the land of the living that God not man will lead and guide you to all truth that is in Christ Jesus.
I will pray for your soul; while you are in the land of the living that God not man will lead and guide you to all truth that is in Christ Jesus.
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While I appreciate your enthusiasm, since holiday means holy day, yes there are holidays in the Bible, in fact every Sabbath was a holiday. For the Christian, every day is a holiday. If I choose to celebrate and give thanks to God for one particular thing, such as His gift to us in His Son, Jesus, I do so without any guilt. I am particularly fond of Resurrection day (yes, I avoid the title Easter). Why should we allow the idolatry and materialism of the world spoil our joy for all the good things God has given us. As for the rituals of Catholicism, can we truly say that at times our practice of the faith has not been by rote? there are some that condemn me because I go on Sunday to a particular building owned by a congregation. I do not seek to ignore the problems that I see within the Catholic church, but I can't deny that are probably those who go into their Mass with the same humility of spirit and hunger for God that I try to have when going to my service.
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