Sex is for in marriage only

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Lynx

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I dunno about pit bulls... I have an australian shepherd who was smart enough to know that if he was off the leash I couldn't touch him, at which point "NO!" had no relevance to him. Two (low level) shocks of the new shock collar fixed the problem.

Now let's see... you live in Florida, right? :D
 

DuchessAimee

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Some things are better left unsaid. Especially in polite company, and especially around ladies. And there are some ladies who frequent this forum.

I have to give you this though - you were dead-on right about the absence of a filter.


Women don't need to be protected from the mention of sex, sin, or the coincidence thereof. Actually, if women were taught to talk about sex, their bodies, and all of those things with their partners, there would be far more happy marriages out there.
 
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Everyone handles things differently but with us we couldn't see marriage until after she established herself outside of college. She had a lot on her table with what she was pursuing, we both mutually thought it was important that she put herself first and accomplish the things she needed to before putting the logistics that come with marriage into her head. Some people could handle it she was one of those people who couldn't handle stress very well and I respect that. So maybe I should have put more into that phrase but it wasn't even a thought.
It appeared to be a generalisation rather than specific to your situation, but I see that you meant the latter. I only asked because I am married and both my wife and I are at college :)
 
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Moose_Almighty

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It appeared to be a generalisation rather than specific to your situation, but I see that you meant the latter. I only asked because I am married and both my wife and I are at college :)

Yeah, my bad... But that's awesome man congrats! Wishing you two all of the love, peace, and happiness for the rest of your days and beyond... :)
 

Fenner

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Women don't need to be protected from the mention of sex, sin, or the coincidence thereof. Actually, if women were taught to talk about sex, their bodies, and all of those things with their partners, there would be far more happy marriages out there.

I'm going to elaborate on Aimee' s and Tintin' s posts. It's very important not to treat sex as a taboo subject. I've decided for my own children to be open about sex. They are 8 and 9, girl and boy, so I talk very much at their level. Mostly about how babies are created because it's a beautiful natural amazing miracle. They know the birds and the bee's, for the most part. They know the anatomy. We didn't make up word's for body parts. I've told them that if they need to discuss something with the school nurse if they don't want to say the part, say private area. My Aunt was a little appalled when she heard my daughter use the correct word when she had a problem. I asked her, why should they be ashamed of their body parts? These aren't dirty words and sex isn't a dirty thing.

Being able to discuss sex in a respectful way is very important.
 
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Elijah19

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The benefit to marriage is that it's about committment before and through God. It's not bulletproof, but that's not the idea. The idea is that it's a relationship based on mutual respect and selfless love that includes intimacy, rather than just bare intimacy with no thought to latter repercussions...

Case in point: suppose we take the difference between a person who sleeps around without any self control, and a man such as my father who only sees my mother. The former situation is unstable and often causes dysfunctional results (STDs, unplanned pregnancy/parenthood, psychological illness, heartbreaks, etc.). The latter situation is stable and beneficial on all levels, however.
 

DuchessAimee

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Honestly, I think that God told us not to have sex before marriage because of the consequences. Not just pregnancy, but the psychological ramifications is a huge deal. It's not a sin like murder. Sex is worse. Sex, when used as a weapon, changes you in such a way you can't ever return to your original state. Sex can utterly destroy you for a long time, or it can build you up in such a way it seems like nothing can harm you. That's why it should be discussed openly. Lots of naive church kids, who have NO IDEA how the world and sin ACTUALLY works, fall into sexual sin and are forever changed. Or they follow all the rules and wed as virgins... and sometimes have awful sex lives that ruin the marriage because they don't know how to talk to each other about sex. Parents and the church have been handling this wrong for centuries.
 
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jeremyPJ

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In some ways I think the more tribal areas of the world have the handling of sex more as it should be. And of course some of them take it to a level that may parallel our modern day Hollywood types too.

I have seen first hand what kind of harm is done to people who believe in total sexual freedom. There have been some who are lucky I could control my temper and walk away from what I've witnessed lol.


I believe sex is a purely magical thing between two who love each other living in Christ. I just wish it wasn't blown open so bad on TV.
 
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Tintin

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It's only within the last few years that I've begun to have a healthy understanding of sexuality. It wasn't a taboo subject in our family, but there was always an atmosphere of embarrassment and that translated from my parents to my brothers and I. Sex is a beautiful thing, or so I've been told, but God designed it to be within the bounds of the marriage covenant. I understand the temptations, I understand that sex is pretty much thrown up in our faces wherever we go, but we need to be prayerful and careful. I plan to wait until I'm married, as I was taught by my parents and by God, however long that is. Not just because God commands it, but because I would want to honour myself and the woman I eventually marry (whoever she is).
 

Lynx

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To everything in the last three posts - that's it exactly. :cool:

When God created the world, He created it right. Things for food tasted good, things that were not food tasted bad. But in a world marred by sin, some things that are bad for you seem appealing. That's why God designated them as sin, and that's why if we disobey God's commandments we will have a not-so-good life - not because God is waiting to make us suffer if we disobey, but because we are suffering the natural consequences of something we have been warned about.

Ever touch an electric fence right after your mom told you not to? Yeah, something like that.
 
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Of course you do, but the fact is that while all sins are equally serious in God's eyes, sexual sin has the most soul-wrenching consequences of all sins because it involves the body and soul. Such things can be forgiven, yes, but we shouldn't downplay the seriousness of these sins and the damage they can do to an unrepentant heart.
That all sins are equally serious is a fallacy. Your comments on the effects of sexual sin suggest that.

Many suggest that James 2:10 supports the myth that all sins are "equal" in magnitude. All James 2:10 does it make it clear that sin is offensive to God. It does not suggest how offensive to God any particular sin is.

That there are magnitudes and levels of sin. Some examples:
Matt 7:3-5. Notice discussion of a plank and speck.
Ezekiel 8:6. Notice the discussion of "utterly detestably" and "even more detestable".
John 19:11. Jesus speaks of a greater sin.

Hamartiology is an interesting aspect of Christianity and theology. Often overlooked. Theology books I've seen often lack significant detail on the subject.

Leaves me a bit curious.
 
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Peter96

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If you have sex with someone before marrying them, then it is not love, it is lust. Because you would be having sex to derive pleasure for yourself at the expense of your partner by influencing them to sin even though you know in your conscience that sin is harmful and leads to hell. Love is done in truth. If you truly loved someone you would protect their purity and their hearts at all costs. Fornication (sex before marriage) only leads to pain and broken hearts. Yes, some couples have a closed sexual relationship before they are married, but they are not a good example at all. I believe the devil makes people believe that they can be that couple that only has sex with each other before they get married and then when the couple eventually breaks up leads them to do the same in their subsequent relationship until a person's conscience eventually gets seared and they don't feel bad about fornicating at all.
 

Lynx

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Test_F_i_2_Luv: That's good to know about some sin not being as bad as other sins. I'll be right back, I gotta shoplift a candy bar from the convenience store. You want anything while I'm out?
 
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It's only within the last few years that I've begun to have a healthy understanding of sexuality. It wasn't a taboo subject in our family, but there was always an atmosphere of embarrassment and that translated from my parents to my brothers and I. Sex is a beautiful thing, or so I've been told, but God designed it to be within the bounds of the marriage covenant. I understand the temptations, I understand that sex is pretty much thrown up in our faces wherever we go, but we need to be prayerful and careful. I plan to wait until I'm married, as I was taught by my parents and by God, however long that is. Not just because God commands it, but because I would want to honour myself and the woman I eventually marry (whoever she is).
I look forward to telling my wife on our wedding night that I've saved the experience exclusively for her.

How much more romantic can it get?

Oh - its "honor", by the way!
 
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Moose_Almighty

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If you have sex with someone before marrying them, then it is not love, it is lust. Because you would be having sex to derive pleasure for yourself at the expense of your partner by influencing them to sin even though you know in your conscience that sin is harmful and leads to hell. Love is done in truth. If you truly loved someone you would protect their purity and their hearts at all costs. Fornication (sex before marriage) only leads to pain and broken hearts. Yes, some couples have a closed sexual relationship before they are married, but they are not a good example at all. I believe the devil makes people believe that they can be that couple that only has sex with each other before they get married and then when the couple eventually breaks up leads them to do the same in their subsequent relationship until a person's conscience eventually gets seared and they don't feel bad about fornicating at all.
Well said!
 

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Test_F_i_2_Luv: That's good to know about some sin not being as bad as other sins. I'll be right back, I gotta shoplift a candy bar from the convenience store. You want anything while I'm out?
Yeah, could you slip a Snicker's Bar in your pocket for me as you leave the store.
 
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cmarieh

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I look forward to telling my wife on our wedding night that I've saved the experience exclusively for her.

How much more romantic can it get?

Oh - its "honor", by the way!
I want to also save it for my husband, whom I don't know who that is yet. I think it is both an honor and a privilege.
 
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Test_F_i_2_Luv: That's good to know about some sin not being as bad as other sins. I'll be right back, I gotta shoplift a candy bar from the convenience store. You want anything while I'm out?
A candy bar sounds good! I'd kinda like one!

But...then you'd be stealing 2, which is worse than stealing one. I don't want to have any influence on causing a greater sin!

Seems that just asking you to shoplift is sinful!

With the wages of all sins being death, I'm thinking this isn't such a good idea!