Will you listen to what God has to say about OSAS? Just scriptures?

[Kaycie]

Please take note of words such as 'if', or 'unless'...


Hebrews 10:26,27 "For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, then there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a terrifying expectation of judgment and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries.”

John 15:1,2, “I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. Every branch IN Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit."


John 15:6 "If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.”


1 John 1:6,7 "If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth; but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.”


2 Peter 2:20-22 "For if after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed to them."


Romans 8:12,13 "So then, brethren (speaking to those who are saved), we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh—for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live.” Notice the word 'putting' is an ongoing action- not 'have put' meaning past tense. This implies constant effort, action on our part after being saved.


1 Corinthians 15:1,2 "Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which also you stand, and by which you are saved, IF you hold fast the word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.” In vain means a waste of time because it did not result in salvation.


Colossians 1:21-23 "And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, (that is before you became Christians) you were engaged in evil deeds, yet He has now reconciled you (that is you have become a Christian) in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless beyond reproach—IF indeed you CONTINUE in the faith firmly established and STEADFAST, and NOT MOVED AWAY from the HOPE of the gospel which you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister.”

2 Peter 2:20,21 "For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, (now these people are Christians) and they are again entangled in these things and they are overcome, that the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them”


1 Corinthians 9:24-27 "Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but only one receives the prize? You run in such a way that you may win. Everyone who competes in the games exercises self-control in all things. They then do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable. Therefore I run in such a way, as not without aim; I box in such a way, as not beating the air; but I discipline my body and I make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified.”


Galatians 5:19-21 "Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, (who, ‘you Christians’) just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.”


1 Timothy 4:1 "But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons."


Galatians 5:4 "You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.”


John 15:10 "IF you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commands and remain in his love."

 

[kennethcadwell]

Matthew 10:22
And you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.


Hebrews 10:36
For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God you may receive what is promised.


1 Timothy 4:16
Keep a close watch on yourself and on the teaching. Persist in this, for by so doing you will save both yourself and your hearers.


James 1:12
Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life, which God has promised to those who love him.

 

[kennethcadwell]

2 Timothy 4:2-8
Preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. As for you, always be sober-minded, endure suffering, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry. For I am already being poured out as a drink offering, and the time of my departure has come.


Romans 2:6-10
Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile

 

[crossnote]

Tell me, when does one who has truly passed from death to life pass back into death? When does he come into condemnation?


John 5:24


(ACV) Truly, truly, I say to you, that he who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life. And he does not come into condemnation, but has passed from death into life.


(ASV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth him that sent me, hath eternal life, and cometh not into judgment, but hath passed out of death into life.


(CEV) I tell you for certain that everyone who hears my message and has faith in the one who sent me has eternal life and will never be condemned. They have already gone from death to life.


(CLV) Verily, verily, I am saying to you that he who is hearing My word and believing Him Who sends Me, has life eonian and is not coming into judging, but has proceeded out of death into life."


(Darby) Verily, verily, I say unto you, that he that hears my word, and believes him that has sent me, has life eternal, and does not come into judgment, but is passed out of death into life.


(EMTV) "Most assuredly I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.


(ESV) Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.


(GNT-V) αμην αμην λεγω υμιν οτι ο τον λογον μου ακουων και πιστευων τω πεμψαντι με εχει ζωην αιωνιον και εις κρισιν ουκ ερχεται αλλα μεταβεβηκεν εκ του θανατου εις την ζωην


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(GW) I can guarantee this truth: Those who listen to what I say and believe in the one who sent me will have eternal life. They won't be judged because they have already passed from death to life.


(ISV) "Truly, I tell all of you with certainty, whoever hears what I say and believes in the one who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged, but has passed from death to life.


(LITV-TSP) Truly, truly, I say to you, the one who hears My word, and believes the One who has sent Me, has everlasting life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.


(KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.




(LEB) Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.


(LITV) Truly, truly, I say to you, The one who hears My Word, and believes the One who has sent Me, has everlasting life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.


(MKJV) Truly, truly, I say to you, He who hears My Word and believes on Him who sent Me has everlasting life and shall not come into condemnation, but has passed from death to life.


(Murdock) Verily, verily, I say to you, That he who heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath life eternal, and will not come into condemnation, but hath passed from death to life.


(NBLH) "En verdad les digo: el que oye Mi palabra y cree al que Me envió, tiene vida eterna y no viene a condenación (a juicio), sino que ha pasado de muerte a vida.


(Translit+) amen281 amen281 . lego3004 . . . . akouo191 . logos3056 . pisteuo4100 . . . pempo3992 . echo2192 aionios166 zoe2222 . . . erchomai2064 eis1519 krisis2920 . . metabaino3327 . thanatos2288 . zoe2222


(WNT) "In most solemn truth I tell you that he who listens to my teaching and believes Him who sent me, has the Life of the Ages, and does not come under judgement, but has passed over out of death into Life.


(YLT) `Verily, verily, I say to you--He who is hearing my word, and is believing Him who sent me, hath life age-during, and to judgment he doth not come, but hath passed out of the death to the life.


The bunch of you are diminishing God's Word and power to save by turning it on the believer to keep himself to the end.

 

[Reborn]

1 Timothy 4:1 "But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons."
"

Interesting choice of scripture?
What could this possibly mean?

 

[SeaBass]

Tell me, when does one who has truly passed from death to life pass back into death? When does he come into condemnation?


John 5:24


(ACV) Truly, truly, I say to you, that he who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life. And he does not come into condemnation, but has passed from death into life.

He can pass back into death/condemnation if he quits hearing and believing. Both verbs 'hear' and 'believe' are present tense denoting an ongoing, sustained hearing and believing not something done just for a moment or sporadically.

He did not pass from death unto life unconditionally but did so because he conditionally has a sustained hearing and believing. Jn 5:24 fits in with all the verses in the OP showing salvation is conditional.

 

[Elin]

Galatians 5:4 "You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law;
you have fallen from grace.”

They have fallen from the belief of salvation by grace through faith
into the belief of salvation by works.

In so doing, they have placed themselves outside the scope of divine favor, because
gaining God's favor by law keeping and receiving it by grace are mutually exclusive.

Paul is warning these Galatians that they have fallen
from their secure position of salvation by grace (2Pe 3:17)
into salvation by works, which brings only condemnation, never salvation.

The regenerate (born again) will heed his warning and be saved,
the unregenerate will not and will follow their false Judaizing teachers into condemnation.

 

[Elin]

Hebrews 10:26,27 "For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, then
there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a terrifying expectation of judgment and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries.”

The letter to the Hebrews was written to Hebrew Christians who were considering a return to Judaism because of the rejection and persecution of their families and friends.
The writer warns them that if they decide to reject Christ and go back to Judaism, there can be no forgiveness of their sin and
they will die in their sin while in Judaism, because they are rejecting the only sacrifice for their sin and there is no sacrifice left for them (Heb 10:26).
They are as the condemned Jews who crucified Jesus in rejection of him.

 

[dcontroversal]

Your very fist scripture is out of context and has nothing at all to do with biblical salvation, but rather is directed at those who forsake the assembling together with God's people.......if you cannot even understand the context of the first scripture tells me you are probably twisting the rest as well.....

The bible teaches eternal security and that it is IMPOSSIBLE to be renewed unto salvation IF you could loose it.....so tell me what does ETERNAL, EVERLASTING, FOREVER mean.......?

 

[Elin]

2 Peter 2:20-22 "For if after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed to them."

They escaped the defilements of the world, not by being born again, but by being in the fellowship
of the church for a time, where they learned of Jesus Christ and the way of righteousness.

And yes, it is better to be ignorant than to be an apostate, which in effect condemns
the way of righteousness, saying it knows something of that way having been in it for a time,
but has found fault with it, and falsehood in its truth.
At least ignorance does not condemn The Way.

All apostates have apostasized from The Way,
and their apostasy is to show, and does show, they were never saved (1Jn 2:19),
not that they have lost their salvation.

 

[dcontroversal]

Tell me, when does one who has truly passed from death to life pass back into death? When does he come into condemnation?


John 5:24


(ACV) Truly, truly, I say to you, that he who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life. And he does not come into condemnation, but has passed from death into life.


(ASV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth him that sent me, hath eternal life, and cometh not into judgment, but hath passed out of death into life.


(CEV) I tell you for certain that everyone who hears my message and has faith in the one who sent me has eternal life and will never be condemned. They have already gone from death to life.


(CLV) Verily, verily, I am saying to you that he who is hearing My word and believing Him Who sends Me, has life eonian and is not coming into judging, but has proceeded out of death into life."


(Darby) Verily, verily, I say unto you, that he that hears my word, and believes him that has sent me, has life eternal, and does not come into judgment, but is passed out of death into life.


(EMTV) "Most assuredly I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.


(ESV) Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.


(GNT-V) αμην αμην λεγω υμιν οτι ο τον λογον μου ακουων και πιστευων τω πεμψαντι με εχει ζωην αιωνιον και εις κρισιν ουκ ερχεται αλλα μεταβεβηκεν εκ του θανατου εις την ζωην


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(GW) I can guarantee this truth: Those who listen to what I say and believe in the one who sent me will have eternal life. They won't be judged because they have already passed from death to life.


(ISV) "Truly, I tell all of you with certainty, whoever hears what I say and believes in the one who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged, but has passed from death to life.


(LITV-TSP) Truly, truly, I say to you, the one who hears My word, and believes the One who has sent Me, has everlasting life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.


(KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.




(LEB) Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.


(LITV) Truly, truly, I say to you, The one who hears My Word, and believes the One who has sent Me, has everlasting life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.


(MKJV) Truly, truly, I say to you, He who hears My Word and believes on Him who sent Me has everlasting life and shall not come into condemnation, but has passed from death to life.


(Murdock) Verily, verily, I say to you, That he who heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath life eternal, and will not come into condemnation, but hath passed from death to life.


(NBLH) "En verdad les digo: el que oye Mi palabra y cree al que Me envió, tiene vida eterna y no viene a condenación (a juicio), sino que ha pasado de muerte a vida.


(Translit+) amen281 amen281 . lego3004 . . . . akouo191 . logos3056 . pisteuo4100 . . . pempo3992 . echo2192 aionios166 zoe2222 . . . erchomai2064 eis1519 krisis2920 . . metabaino3327 . thanatos2288 . zoe2222


(WNT) "In most solemn truth I tell you that he who listens to my teaching and believes Him who sent me, has the Life of the Ages, and does not come under judgement, but has passed over out of death into Life.


(YLT) `Verily, verily, I say to you--He who is hearing my word, and is believing Him who sent me, hath life age-during, and to judgment he doth not come, but hath passed out of the death to the life.


The bunch of you are diminishing God's Word and power to save by turning it on the believer to keep himself to the end.

The bible is clear...if it is of works (which it must be if you can loose it) then it is not of GRACE....

My bible teaches grace......people who think they can keep themselves will find out one day that they were blind....!

 

[Elin]

He can pass back into death/condemnation if he quits hearing and believing. Both verbs 'hear' and 'believe' are present tense denoting an ongoing, sustained hearing and believing not something done just for a moment or sporadically.

He did not pass from death unto life unconditionally but did so because he conditionally has a sustained hearing and believing. Jn 5:24 fits in with all the verses in the OP showing salvation is conditional.

The spirit raised from spiritual death (no Holy Spirit life) to eternal life in the rebirth by the Holy Spirit,
does not die again because eternal life is immortal.

 

[elf3]

Explain away John 10:27-30. This truly shows that those given to Christ by the Father cannot fall away from salvation. Those who have the saving faith in Christ are forever kept by Jesus. Those who truly persevere to the end are the saved. If you aren't sure of your salvation then you must not believe this truth given and spoken to us by Jesus Himself.

 

[SeaBass]

The spirit raised from spiritual death (no Holy Spirit life) to eternal life in the rebirth by the Holy Spirit,
does not die again because eternal life is immortal.

What does this have to do with Jn 5:24?

John 5:24 shows obtaining the promise of eternal life is CONDITIONAL upon a sustained hearing and believing. And since it is obtained CONDITIONALLY it can be lost CONDITIONALLY. Therefore if one quits hearing and believing he will for certain spiritually die again.

 

[dcontroversal]

I see more fluff balls and heresy from those who teach you can loose salvation.......

Salvation and eternal life are a once for all act...it is the spirit that is born of God, does not sin and bears witness with the Holy Spirit that we are the sons of God......for those who believe you can loose it....let me guess you have maintained a perfect walk without sin since you trusted and have never fallen and if you say you have sinned then you will cook for all eternal ages as Hebrews states it is IMPOSSIBLE to gain, loose and then regain salvation.......your ability to keep yourself saved will take you straight to the PIT as you never trusted into Christ to begin with, but rather your own selves and your own abilities......

Eternal means eternal not temporary and you turn the word of God into a lie by your heretical dogma!

 

[crossnote]

He can pass back into death/condemnation if he quits hearing and believing. Both verbs 'hear' and 'believe' are present tense denoting an ongoing, sustained hearing and believing not something done just for a moment or sporadically.

He did not pass from death unto life unconditionally but did so because he conditionally has a sustained hearing and believing. Jn 5:24 fits in with all the verses in the OP showing salvation is conditional.

'Has passed out of death into life' is in the perfect tense. Once done with continuing results.

 

[dcontroversal]

'Has passed out of death into life' is in the perfect tense. Once done with continuing results.

They have no concept of a continuing result from a past completed action such as used in John 3:16......blind leaders of the blind is exactly what they are....!

 

[ISeeYou]

1 John 3:14We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth nothis brother abideth in death.

 

[crossnote]

1 John 3:14We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth nothis brother abideth in death.

Again, 'passed ' is in the perfect tense indicating the reason why we love the brethren. Some take this wrongly to mean if we love the brethren then we pass from death unto life.

 

[ISeeYou]

Again, 'passed ' is in the perfect tense indicating the reason why we love the brethren. Some take this wrongly to mean if we love the brethren then we pass from death unto life.

I dont understand what you are trying to point out to me, it likewise says

He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

Darkness and death are used interchangeably in these as well