Truth... The Comforter, would not have came if He didn't leave... There are different Spirits of God, only one Holy Ghost..
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Did Judas ever have the Holy Spirit?
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That is how I have always understood it, but I never could have explained it so well.
He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Spirit was not yet given because that Jesus was not yet glorified). John 7:38,39
John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; . . .
v26) But the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance.
Doesn't say anything about "Seven Spirits" in these contexts. Ephesians 4:4 specifically states that there is ONE Spirit.
I am not sure if Judas had the Holy Spirit but the Holy Spirit certainly worked through him when Jesus sent out His 12 apostles to perform works of healing. It is interesting in that Judas is the only apostle that He called as His friend. This is in the book of Matthew.
To more fully understand Judas' ultimate fate in it must be understood how Jesus treats His friends. Each one of us actually betrayed Jesus at the moment of our first sin. I do not see at all how Judas rejected the Holy Spirit as his actions were accomplished under moments of great weakness and stress. Who is to say that he did not asked for forgiveness at the moment just before his spirit left his body at the moment of death.
Again, how does Jesus treat His friends?
To more fully understand Judas' ultimate fate in it must be understood how Jesus treats His friends. Each one of us actually betrayed Jesus at the moment of our first sin. I do not see at all how Judas rejected the Holy Spirit as his actions were accomplished under moments of great weakness and stress. Who is to say that he did not asked for forgiveness at the moment just before his spirit left his body at the moment of death.
Again, how does Jesus treat His friends?
There's one Holy Ghost " the Comforter/Helper " ... If you click on the link I posted it will show you the scriptures in Isaiah and revelations that I'm talking about...but here's one of them..
2And the spirit of YAHWEH shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of YAHWEH;
but yeah, only one Holy Ghost or Holy Comforter Spirit
J
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As strange as this may initially sound, I have to say "no" and here's why:
I Corinthians chapter 10
1] Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
[2] And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
[3] And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
[4] And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
Do you recall the two different occasions during the children of Israel's wilderness journeys where they "thirsted" and God gave them water to drink from the rock? Here are the two accounts:
Exodus chapter 17
[1] And all the congregation of the children of Israel journeyed from the wilderness of Sin, after their journeys, according to the commandment of the LORD, and pitched in Rephidim: and there was no water for the people to drink.
[2] Wherefore the people did chide with Moses, and said, Give us water that we may drink. And Moses said unto them, Why chide ye with me? wherefore do ye tempt the LORD?
[3] And the people thirsted there for water; and the people murmured against Moses, and said, Wherefore is this that thou hast brought us up out of Egypt, to kill us and our children and our cattle with thirst?
[4] And Moses cried unto the LORD, saying, What shall I do unto this people? they be almost ready to stone me.
[5] And the LORD said unto Moses, Go on before the people, and take with thee of the elders of Israel; and thy rod, wherewith thou smotest the river, take in thine hand, and go.
[6] Behold, I will stand before thee there upon the rock in Horeb; and thou shalt smite the rock, and there shall come water out of it, that the people may drink. And Moses did so in the sight of the elders of Israel.
[7] And he called the name of the place Massah, and Meribah, because of the chiding of the children of Israel, and because they tempted the LORD, saying, Is the LORD among us, or not?
The first time that the children of Israel chided with Moses in relation to their "thirst", God commanded Moses to "smite the rock and there shall come water out of it that the people may drink". Keep in mind that we just read in I Corinthians chapter 10 that this "Rock that followed them WAS CHRIST" and that "they all drank the same SPIRITUAL DRINK". Well, what does that tell us? It tells us that when the rock was smitten it was a "type" of Christ being crucified and that the water which came out truly was "spiritual drink" in that it was a "type" of the Holy Spirit WHICH GOD WANTED ALL OF THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL TO PARTAKE OF. Remember, Jesus also spoke to the Samaritan woman at the well in relation to this same type of "living water":
John chapter 4
5] Then cometh he to a city of Samaria, which is called Sychar, near to the parcel of ground that Jacob gave to his son Joseph.
[6] Now Jacob's well was there. Jesus therefore, being wearied with his journey, sat thus on the well: and it was about the sixth hour.
[7] There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water: Jesus saith unto her, Give me to drink.
[8] (For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat.)
[9] Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.
[10] Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
[11] The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water?
[12] Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle?
[13] Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:
[14] But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
Well, what happened the second time that the chidren of Israel chided with Moses in relation to their "thirst"?
Numbers chapter 20
[2] And there was no water for the congregation: and they gathered themselves together against Moses and against Aaron.
[3] And the people chode with Moses, and spake, saying, Would God that we had died when our brethren died before the LORD!
[4] And why have ye brought up the congregation of the LORD into this wilderness, that we and our cattle should die there?
[5] And wherefore have ye made us to come up out of Egypt, to bring us in unto this evil place? it is no place of seed, or of figs, or of vines, or of pomegranates; neither is there any water to drink.
[6] And Moses and Aaron went from the presence of the assembly unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and they fell upon their faces: and the glory of the LORD appeared unto them.
[7] And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
[8] Take the rod, and gather thou the assembly together, thou, and Aaron thy brother, and speak ye unto the rock before their eyes; and it shall give forth his water, and thou shalt bring forth to them water out of the rock: so thou shalt give the congregation and their beasts drink.
[9] And Moses took the rod from before the LORD, as he commanded him.
[10] And Moses and Aaron gathered the congregation together before the rock, and he said unto them, Hear now, ye rebels; must we fetch you water out of this rock?
[11] And Moses lifted up his hand, and with his rod he smote the rock twice: and the water came out abundantly, and the congregation drank, and their beasts also.
[12] And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them.
[13] This is the water of Meribah; because the children of Israel strove with the LORD, and he was sanctified in them.
On this second occasion, God commanded Moses to "speak unto the rock befofe their eyes and it shall give forth his water", but Moses disobeyed and "smote the rock twice" and he was forbidden by God to step foot within "the promised land" for this act of disobedience. Why was God so angry with Moses that He forbid him entrance into "the promised land"? Well, again, remember that "the Rock that followed them WAS CHRIST", so when God instructed Moses to "speak unto the rock before their eyes and it shall give forth his water", He was, in "type", instructing Moses to teach the children of Israel to SPEAK TO CHRIST FOR ANY ADDITIONAL "WATER" OR "SPIRITUAL DRINK". IOW, like the children of Israel, we all initially receive our own "spiritual drink" via faith in the "smitten Rock" or via faith in the crucified Christ. For any subsequent "drinks", however, we need to "speak to the rock" or have a prayer life with Christ in order to obtain more "spiritual drink". As such, when Moses broke the "type" and "smote the rock twice", God was very angry with him. Remember, scripture tells us that Christ will not be "crucified afresh" (Hebrews 6:6) and, in "type", Moses taught the opposite by smiting the rock twice. Anyhow, I said all of that to say this...
It has always been God's desire that EVERYBODY "drink the same SPIRITUAL DRINK" from the Rock OF CHRIST.
John chapter 7
[37] In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
[38] He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
[39] (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
Now, why do you suppose that Jesus said that? When He told people who "thirsted" to "come unto me and drink", is it possible that He was alluding back to Himself being "the Rock that followed them" in the wilderness journeys from which people received "spiritual drink"? Personally, I'm convinced that that is exactly what Jesus was doing. In any case, again, my point is that Jesus has always wanted EVERYBODY to come to Him and "drink" and here this "drink" was specifically likened to "the Holy Ghost". Please also consider that in our opening text from I Corinthians chapter 10 we read how that "ALL OUR FATHERS were under the cloud" and how that they "were ALL baptized unto Moses", a "type" of Christ himself, "in the cloud". IOW, again, in "type", they all received a Holy Ghost baptism which is what "the cloud" represents.
Having said all of that, Peter did say that what transpired on the day of Pentecost was a fulfillment of what Joel had prophesied, but, again, it has always been God's desire for EVERYBODY to be saved and indwelt by His Spirit.
I hope that this helps to answer your question.
remember, in a new life, in Yahweh's Word, Yahshua told His disciples that He would never leave them nor forsake them.
the emphasis of Scripture , the authority of Yahweh's Word, the Simplicity of trusting Yahweh's Word, is lacking today -
as it is also written, there is a famine today of the hearing of the Word of Yahweh. (note: not a famine of the Word, as if
Yahweh is not speaking to ekklesia in Spirit and still revealing and teaching His Word;; but a famine of the hearing of the Word,
as people don't want to repent, surrender, and listen to Yahweh faithfully trusting Him altogether totally. )
footnote; since Yahweh's Word says judas the betrayer is the son of perdition prophesied also in TORAH, it is clear to see that he had no holiness inside him, and there's absolutely no chance he repented. no. he was as evil as the p..e(who also may be called the son of perdition, btw).....
the emphasis of Scripture , the authority of Yahweh's Word, the Simplicity of trusting Yahweh's Word, is lacking today -
as it is also written, there is a famine today of the hearing of the Word of Yahweh. (note: not a famine of the Word, as if
Yahweh is not speaking to ekklesia in Spirit and still revealing and teaching His Word;; but a famine of the hearing of the Word,
as people don't want to repent, surrender, and listen to Yahweh faithfully trusting Him altogether totally. )
footnote; since Yahweh's Word says judas the betrayer is the son of perdition prophesied also in TORAH, it is clear to see that he had no holiness inside him, and there's absolutely no chance he repented. no. he was as evil as the p..e(who also may be called the son of perdition, btw).....
I would agree that Judas had sound of The Holy Spirit with him through Jesus, the light of The Father with him through Jesus, but as for the Holy Spirit being in him...I guess he didn't recieve the sound and light, but rejected the Father and The Son by rejecting Jesus. God can use a donkey to speak to a prophet, and Judas was used in the way he was.
Brainfreeze, could it be possible they be one and the same but just shown in a different manner?
For example here when it says,
1Cr 12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
If we work backwards in Christ and start in Zec 3:9
Theres also a similitude of Jesus Christ in the stone laid before Joshua here
Zec 3:9 For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes
Whereas it says of Jesus Christ,
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
And then we see those seven eyes after he (who is the Lamb) had been slain here....
Rev 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne ....stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
There you have it the seven Spirits of God sent forth and then...
John 1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
Which would represent the self same fulness that dwelled in him Col 2:9 shown in Zec 3:9, 1 Cr 12:11
That which was in him (or the fulness of the Godhead bodily) even as represented by the seven eyes upon one stone in Zec is then (by the Lamb that had been slain) sent forth into all the earth but is the one selfsameSpirit (or gift of God) dividing severally (even in the gifts of the Spirit) to every man.
Which would seem to fit, I mean there is much more to the picture I have stopped short of but it does seem to fit when you look back and forward in Jesus Christ. Most amazing stuff and more sitting there, I cant believe thats all wiki has on this.
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so by what power did they heal the sick and cast out demons...? seeing he was one of the twelve...scripture says he gave them power...
That is very sad yes, and I do see that he rejected the Holy Spirit. I am wondering if you thought he was ever indwelt by the Spirit.
How could he reject the Holy Spirit?
Let's think logically about this...
When was the Holy Spirit given?
Act 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
Act 2:2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
Act 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
What about people prior to this?
Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
It is hard for me to believe that Judas had the Holy Spirit, it was not given to be in the other Apostles until Pentecost.
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JesusistheChrist
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As I've already documented on this thread (for those who still believe scripture), there were many people in the Old Testament who were indwelt by the Spirit of God.
Also, the Apostles most definitely received the Holy Ghost BEFORE Pentecost:
John chapter 20
[19] Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
[20] And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord.
[21] Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
[22] And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
J
JesusistheChrist
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Seeing how this thread is very short yet, I would simply ask that you read my previous posts in this thread to find the answer to your question. Thanks.