Who is Babylon the Great Harlot?

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For those who can read:

Revelation chapter 17


[3] So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
[4] And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
[5] And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
[6] And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
[7] And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.


There is a woman AND there is a beast which she sits upon or which carries her.

Conflating THE TWO is great error. GREAT ERROR.
 

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Remain ignorant, then. Like I said, only God can give the increase...but you ought to at least be able to read.
OK, Let's Read Rev 17-18, believing God's Word & God's explanations of God's symbols:

"I will show thee the judgment of the great harlot that sitteth upon many waters; . . . I saw a woman sitting upon a scarlet-colored beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. . . . and upon her forehead a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, . . .
I will tell thee
the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and the ten horns. . . .
Here is the mind that hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains/hills, on which the woman sitteth: and they are seven kings; . . .

And the woman whom thou sawest is the great
[1X] city
, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. . . .



and she shall be utterly burned with fire; . . .
Woe, woe, the great
[2X] city, Babylon, the strong
[3X] city! . . .

Woe, woe, the great
[4X] city, . . .

What city is like the great
[5X] city?

. . .
Thus with a mighty fall shall Babylon, the great
[6X] city, be cast down, and shall be found no more at all.


Now is it possible, O Rocket Scientist that the woman is a city???

Rocket Scientist: "Naw."

Well, O Rocket Scientist, is the woman something that can be burned with fire?

Rocket Scientist: "Duh."

So, O Rocket Scientist, why dochu just admit that the the Lord has told you that the woman is a city?

Rocket Scientist: "That's too easy; I gots to complicate matters, bring in the USA with Eagle feathers; square da hippopotamus, speculate on the papalcy. Now if it has said, pope (or papa) 6 times, why then I might be persuaded that the pope was a symbol for a city & agree widjoo. But Ah hain't nevuh gonna accept no obvious interpultation, long as there beez a chance of sensationalizing on the redickledockle.
 

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The other 11 tribes seem to be forgotten... by man that is, certainly not by Yah...

Kind of gives a whole new meaning to "chosen people" huh?
OK Now Hizi, for $64,000 name those 11 tribes.
Don't count Judah, don't count Benjamin (Paul as example), don't count Asher (Luke 2:36 "And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher"). And don't count Levi, since the Levites were not lost or there could have been no priests.
 

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They are the same race. Why bother with their in-fighting?
Both are mixed blood, and follow false gods.

Do we need to take sides when Sunnis fight Shias? No. They are both wrong.
Israel is still in diaspora until the return of Christ. These people are just wannabes. Read the Bible. Unless Christ secretly returned to set up His Millenial kingdom without the Church knowing, this is just part of Satan's deception.

The twelve tribes are still scattered and unknown. Christ will call them out when the time comes... not beforehand.
Well Ukorin, you don't expect us to believe things just because you say it, do you? If you have proof for any of that, would you mind telling us how you know?

How do you know that?

1) they are the same race,
2) both follow false gods?
3) they are wannabes?
4) we haven't read the Bible? (how many times have you read it through?)
5) This is deception?
6) scattering & diaspora are binary concepts (totally scattered vs totally returned?)
7) it would not be more accurate to think in terms of percent scattered & percent returned?
8) The 12 tribes are unknown?
9) known vs unknown is a binary concept?
10) it would not be more accurate to speak of how known they are (scale of 0-10)?

Do you have any proof for your claims?
 
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OK, Let's Read Rev 17-18, believing God's Word & God's explanations of God's symbols:

"I will show thee the judgment of the great harlot that sitteth upon many waters; . . . I saw a woman sitting upon a scarlet-colored beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. . . . and upon her forehead a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, . . .
I will tell thee
the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and the ten horns. . . .
Here is the mind that hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains/hills, on which the woman sitteth: and they are seven kings; . . .

And the woman whom thou sawest is the great
[1X] city
, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. . . .



and she shall be utterly burned with fire; . . .
Woe, woe, the great
[2X] city, Babylon, the strong
[3X] city! . . .

Woe, woe, the great
[4X] city, . . .

What city is like the great
[5X] city?

. . .
Thus with a mighty fall shall Babylon, the great
[6X] city, be cast down, and shall be found no more at all.


Now is it possible, O Rocket Scientist that the woman is a city???

Rocket Scientist: "Naw."

Well, O Rocket Scientist, is the woman something that can be burned with fire?

Rocket Scientist: "Duh."

So, O Rocket Scientist, why dochu just admit that the the Lord has told you that the woman is a city?

Rocket Scientist: "That's too easy; I gots to complicate matters, bring in the USA with Eagle feathers; square da hippopotamus, speculate on the papalcy. Now if it has said, pope (or papa) 6 times, why then I might be persuaded that the pope was a symbol for a city & agree widjoo. But Ah hain't nevuh gonna accept no obvious interpultation, long as there beez a chance of sensationalizing on the redickledockle.
You're only making a bigger fool of yourself, friend.

Again, anybody who can read knows that I've not only said that the "woman" is A CITY all along, but that I've also explained exactly what CITY she is:

Jerusalem.

Seriously, log off of your computer and go read "Fun with Dick and Jane" or something and then come back here and we'll chat, okay?
 
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You're only making a bigger fool of yourself, friend.

Again, anybody who can read knows that I've not only said that the "woman" is A CITY all along, but that I've also explained exactly what CITY she is:

Jerusalem.

Seriously, log off of your computer and go read "Fun with Dick and Jane" or something and then come back here and we'll chat, okay?
Babylon means confusion. The entire world secular and non-secular is Babylon unless you have entered ZION - The City of Truth (Zech 8:3). So simple, once you move beyond the simplicity of it, it gets complicated - confusion = Babylon.

Of course, you cannot have the Unspiritual Interpretation and know this.
 
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Babylon means confusion. The entire world secular and non-secular is Babylon unless you have entered ZION - The City of Truth (Zech 8:3). So simple, once you move beyond the simplicity of it, it gets complicated - confusion = Babylon.

Of course, you cannot have the Unspiritual Interpretation and know this.
...said the guy who's so CONFUSED that he believes in "universalism" AND that he is the Messiah:

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/106483-hells-population-crock.html#post1860733

Socrates said:
Viligant_Warrior said:
Stephen's right. This is the only crock on this thread. A six-minute video doesn't disprove the doctrine of hell, particularly one that spends a great deal of time bad-mouthing the doctrine and hardly any at all "disproving" it. Read: Epic Fail.

And what are you? A disciple, or a gangsta?
A priest after the Order of Melchizedek. Do you need scripture? If you do, look it up.
I'm off to work...
 
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Well Ukorin, you don't expect us to believe things just because you say it, do you? If you have proof for any of that, would you mind telling us how you know?

How do you know that?

1) they are the same race,
2) both follow false gods?
3) they are wannabes?
4) we haven't read the Bible? (how many times have you read it through?)
5) This is deception?
6) scattering & diaspora are binary concepts (totally scattered vs totally returned?)
7) it would not be more accurate to think in terms of percent scattered & percent returned?
8) The 12 tribes are unknown?
9) known vs unknown is a binary concept?
10) it would not be more accurate to speak of how known they are (scale of 0-10)?

Do you have any proof for your claims?
1. Common knowledge. It's been all over the papers and news. 70% of Jews and 50% of Palestinians share "recent" ancestry, which is incredibly surprising, as the two groups have been separated for over 1000 years. Global Jews have the most common genetic ties (their global link) to the Kurds, Druze, Muslims, and Jews of the fertile crescent (Turkey, Armenia, Syria), while southern Arabs are more distinct.
Do a Google search, or look on a scientific journal site or government research bank.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m?form=6&Dopt=r&uid=11153918

2. If they reject the Son, they reject the Father. They do not know or worship the God of their forefathers, or they would know and worship Christ.

3. Romans 2:28,29; Rev 2:9; Rev 3:9
The principle also goes to any who claim to be God's People yet reject Christ.

4. It was a suggestion and encouragement, and a positive one. I have read the Bible through once every year for the past 6 years (minus 1 where I skipped on Leviticus Numbers and Deuteronomy due to a lack of wisdom and maturity), not including Biblical studies, research, and message/lesson prep.
And read through much of it, in a less structured manner, over and over while growing up.

5. I made this point pretty thoroughly in previous posts. They build a physical kingdom, and many Christians seem to think it is of heaven, and help them build it. Deception and distraction from real Kingdom building.

6. It is not a binary claim, but a claim that the genealogies were lost with the Temple, and no claims can be validated until Christ restores. True descendents exist, and some are likely in the Levant, but their genealogy is not yet revealed to men.

7. No, as Scripture doesn't speak in that manner. It is all hearsay and rumor until Christ Returns.

8. Yes. The genealogical records were destroyed with the Temple, and the people dispersed. Only their religion remains as an identifier, and that religion is a false one. We know that many stayed in Babylon and Assyria where they were exiled (which explains the genetic similarity to Kurds and Druze and Muslims in the fertile crescent). However, the actual bloodline is lost to our knowledge, and only left as rumors and tradition.

9. Not relative. God knows. Man does not. I suppose that makes it binary, but still irrelevant.

10. Known by whom? Known by who they claim to be descended from? On whose scale? The world system?


Return question:
Do you think the Jews believe in the One True God? Why?
 
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1. Common knowledge. It's been all over the papers and news. 70% of Jews and 50% of Palestinians share "recent" ancestry, which is incredibly surprising, as the two groups have been separated for over 1000 years. Global Jews have the most common genetic ties (their global link) to the Kurds, Druze, Muslims, and Jews of the fertile crescent (Turkey, Armenia, Syria), while southern Arabs are more distinct.
Do a Google search, or look on a scientific journal site or government research bank.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m?form=6&Dopt=r&uid=11153918

2. If they reject the Son, they reject the Father. They do not know or worship the God of their forefathers, or they would know and worship Christ.

3. Romans 2:28,29; Rev 2:9; Rev 3:9
The principle also goes to any who claim to be God's People yet reject Christ.

4. It was a suggestion and encouragement, and a positive one. I have read the Bible through once every year for the past 6 years (minus 1 where I skipped on Leviticus Numbers and Deuteronomy due to a lack of wisdom and maturity), not including Biblical studies, research, and message/lesson prep.
And read through much of it, in a less structured manner, over and over while growing up.

5. I made this point pretty thoroughly in previous posts. They build a physical kingdom, and many Christians seem to think it is of heaven, and help them build it. Deception and distraction from real Kingdom building.

6. It is not a binary claim, but a claim that the genealogies were lost with the Temple, and no claims can be validated until Christ restores. True descendents exist, and some are likely in the Levant, but their genealogy is not yet revealed to men.

7. No, as Scripture doesn't speak in that manner. It is all hearsay and rumor until Christ Returns.

8. Yes. The genealogical records were destroyed with the Temple, and the people dispersed. Only their religion remains as an identifier, and that religion is a false one. We know that many stayed in Babylon and Assyria where they were exiled (which explains the genetic similarity to Kurds and Druze and Muslims in the fertile crescent). However, the actual bloodline is lost to our knowledge, and only left as rumors and tradition.

9. Not relative. God knows. Man does not. I suppose that makes it binary, but still irrelevant.

10. Known by whom? Known by who they claim to be descended from? On whose scale? The world system?


Return question:
Do you think the Jews believe in the One True God? Why?
In Babylon that don't preach what what the REAL Jesus Christ prophesied in Revelation 21:5 -

Behold, I make ALL THINGS NEW!!!


 
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1. Common knowledge. It's been all over the papers and news. 70% of Jews and 50% of Palestinians share "recent" ancestry, which is incredibly surprising, as the two groups have been separated for over 1000 years. Global Jews have the most common genetic ties (their global link) to the Kurds, Druze, Muslims, and Jews of the fertile crescent (Turkey, Armenia, Syria), while southern Arabs are more distinct.
Do a Google search, or look on a scientific journal site or government research bank.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m?form=6&Dopt=r&uid=11153918

2. If they reject the Son, they reject the Father. They do not know or worship the God of their forefathers, or they would know and worship Christ.

3. Romans 2:28,29; Rev 2:9; Rev 3:9
The principle also goes to any who claim to be God's People yet reject Christ.

4. It was a suggestion and encouragement, and a positive one. I have read the Bible through once every year for the past 6 years (minus 1 where I skipped on Leviticus Numbers and Deuteronomy due to a lack of wisdom and maturity), not including Biblical studies, research, and message/lesson prep.
And read through much of it, in a less structured manner, over and over while growing up.

5. I made this point pretty thoroughly in previous posts. They build a physical kingdom, and many Christians seem to think it is of heaven, and help them build it. Deception and distraction from real Kingdom building.

6. It is not a binary claim, but a claim that the genealogies were lost with the Temple, and no claims can be validated until Christ restores. True descendents exist, and some are likely in the Levant, but their genealogy is not yet revealed to men.

7. No, as Scripture doesn't speak in that manner. It is all hearsay and rumor until Christ Returns.

8. Yes. The genealogical records were destroyed with the Temple, and the people dispersed. Only their religion remains as an identifier, and that religion is a false one. We know that many stayed in Babylon and Assyria where they were exiled (which explains the genetic similarity to Kurds and Druze and Muslims in the fertile crescent). However, the actual bloodline is lost to our knowledge, and only left as rumors and tradition.

9. Not relative. God knows. Man does not. I suppose that makes it binary, but still irrelevant.

10. Known by whom? Known by who they claim to be descended from? On whose scale? The world system?


Return question:
Do you think the Jews believe in the One True God? Why?
In Babylon that don't preach what what the REAL Jesus Christ prophesied in Revelation 21:5 -

Behold, I make ALL THINGS NEW!!!

 
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How many hills does Jerusalem sit on? Look it up.
Seven.
How many hills does MECCA sit on??

Mystery Babylon is MECCA. It 100% fits and nothing else fits. No, it is not Jerusalem - this does not fit at all.
 
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So imagining yourself to be (already saved) Christian, you does not realise that the place and city where Christ was been crucified is the most sacred and significant in whole univers????

Still apostolic traditions points to Jerusalem (as the capital of antichrists kingdom), and no wonder that in the capital the main enemies of the beast (two witnesses) will be executed and throun into steets
why would I think That?

John wrote revelation, and he never thought that, he knew and understood the mother of harlots (paganism) was centered in rome, and the roman empire was her power.


The pagain church did not even find itself in jerusalem, it found itself in the center of pagan world Rome.
 
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I did not say this was the antichrist or the Roman empire, I was responding to how the 200 million man army does not come from the Roman empire. It is a whole separate unity.
ok talk about confusing, we are talking about how the roman empire or forth beast comes from, and you claimed it was this 200 million man army.

which is it?



Yes the bible does say the antichrist takes the Roman empire to destroy Babylon;
I never claimed it did not. Yet rome does not destroy the 200 million man army, GOD DOES.

Scripture says russia and Iran will come against Israel. And before they get their they will be stopped in their tracks. fire from heaven will devour them, this is the great battle before Armageddon.
 

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ok talk about confusing, we are talking about how the roman empire or forth beast comes from, and you claimed it was this 200 million man army.

which is it?





I never claimed it did not. Yet rome does not destroy the 200 million man army, GOD DOES.

Scripture says russia and Iran will come against Israel. And before they get their they will be stopped in their tracks. fire from heaven will devour them, this is the great battle before Armageddon.
Russia, China, Iran, Pakistan, etc.

Rev 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Daniel adds more to this...

Dan 11:44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.

The armies of the Beast power square off with the armies of the North and the East. The staging area is Har Megiddo, the plain of Megiddo but the battle takes place in the valley of Jezreel, the Valley of Decision...

Zec 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Rev 14:20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.
 
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Russia, China, Iran, Pakistan, etc.

Rev 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Daniel adds more to this...

Dan 11:44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.

The armies of the Beast power square off with the armies of the North and the East. The staging area is Har Megiddo, the plain of Megiddo but the battle takes place in the valley of Jezreel, the Valley of Decision...

Zec 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Rev 14:20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.
Zec 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

This is not the beast destroying babylon. this is God destroying them where they stand. thus these people can not be babylon as some claim.
 

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Again, anybody who can read knows that I've not only said that the "woman" is A CITY all along, but that I've also explained exactly what CITY she is:

Jerusalem.
It is not Jerusalem my friend;);).

1. The "Kings of the Earth" are the rich oil barons - Saudi Princes, leaders of Muslim nations, etc. There are no Kings following Judaism.

2. The "Sea" where the Harlot Sits are Peoples, tongues and nations. The Sea is Muslim, they come from all over the world on the Haj to MECCA.

3. The world's Great False religion is ISLAM. It is by far the largest false religion in the world.

4. It is Islam that the BEAST empire rides until the BEAST destroys it. Saudi Arabia is building a "fortress" right now to keep the BEAST out.

5. ISLAM comes complete with a false God (ALLAH) and a false prophet (Muhammad). Today's radical Islam preaches the exact opposite from what Christ preached. Instead of Love, they preach hate and death to their enemies.

6. ISLAM frequently uses the chant "Allahu Akbar" which means God (Allah) is Great(est). This chant is the same chant the Greeks used for Diana.

This is so important. Look at Acts 19:35:

“Men of Ephesus, what man is there who does not know that the city of the Ephesians is temple guardian of the great goddess Diana, and of the image which fell down from Zeus?

Great is Diana of the Ephesians!”

"Allahu Akbar" Allah is Great!

7. The symbol of ISLAM is the same symbol of ancient Babylon. The Star and Crescent.

This symbol can be found in Egypt and in ancient Babylon. It is the sign of Satan and idol worship. I will show the symbols next.

8. The 4th seal is ISLAM, Chloros =Green, not Pale. Green is the official color of Islam. It is Islam that sits on the "Green" horse and has power over 1/4 of the earth. Death and Hades follow those who kill for Islam.



9. The "kings of the earth" committed fornication, meaning they worshiped falsely which religion? ISLAM.

10. ISLAM is the religion drunk with the blood of the saints. Which religion hates Jews and Christians the most and is calling for the destruction of Israel? ISLAM.

11. John was carried into the wilderness (desert). MECCA is in the desert. Jer 50:37 tells us that the sword is "Against the Mixed Peoples." ARAB means "MIXED PEOPLES." Jeremiah goes on to say this:

For it is the land of carved images,
And they are insane with their idols.

What religion is going insane right now with their false idol worship?

“Therefore the wild desert beasts shall dwell there with the jackals,
And the ostriches shall dwell in it.

Jackals and ostriches are indigenous to Saudi Arabia.

It shall be inhabited no more forever...

Jerusalem remains inhabited as Christ comes back to Jerusalem and reigns there.

Against you, O daughter of Babylon.

12. The "wilderness" (where John was carried to see the Woman) is the same place the Children of Israel wondered in for 40 years. When they left Egypt, they crossed the Red Sea into current Saudi Arabia. It was here in Mt. Sinai in Saudi Arabia that Moses was given the 10 commandments and when Moses returned from the mountain, the Children of Israel built a Golden Calf to worship. Thus Saudi Arabia is the Land of Idols."

13. The daughter of Babylon is MECCA and ISLAM right down to the way they worship and right down to the way they are punished if they don't. Compare original Babylon worship in Dan 3:

To you it is commanded, O peoples, nations, and languages, [SUP]5 [/SUP]that at the time you hear the sound of the horn, flute, harp, lyre, and psaltery, in symphony with all kinds of music, you shall fall down and worship the gold image that King Nebuchadnezzar has set up; [SUP]6 [/SUP]and whoever does not fall down and worship shall be cast immediately into the midst of a burning fiery furnace.”

Muslims are called to prayer by MUSIC, the exact same music!! What is said about Babylon when she is destroyed? Rev 18:

[SUP]22 [/SUP]The sound of harpists, musicians, flutists, and trumpeters shall not be heard in you anymore.


The worship of the BEAST (ISLAM) and the Harlot are done in the same manner. They worship an image.

[SUP]14 [/SUP]And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived. [SUP]15 [/SUP]He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.

14. "The earth" is a specific location. It is the ISLAMIC earth, it is a fourth of the earth which ISLAM controls that people MUST worship or be killed. The same sentence of death for those who failed to worship in Daniel's day is imposed on Muslims who do not worship by bowing down to MECCA which is the location of the Kaaba Stone. The Kaaba Stone is their idol that they worship. The Kaaba Stone is a meteor that "FELL FROM THE SKY."

15. God's FIRST commandment was what? Exo 20:

[SUP]3 [/SUP]“You shall have no other gods before Me.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]“You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; [SUP]5 [/SUP]you shall not bow down to them nor serve them.

Again, what do Muslims (ISLAM) do? They worship an image that has fallen from the sky - the Kaaba Stone.

16. The "WOMAN" is arrayed in purple and scarlet - colors of royalty. This means nations that follow her are religious and not secular. ISLAM is the official religion of many Muslim nations and religious laws (i.e. Sharia) are enforced by these nations. The BEAST (the northen ISLAM nations currently comprised of ISIS and terror groups which Turkey will join) will hate the WOMAN (MECCA) and they will destroy it.

The Man of Sin (which many call AntChrist) will lead this force from the North against MECCA and Saudi Arabia (Read Dan 11). The Man of Sin (KIng of the North) declares himself above ALL CALLED GOD, even ALLAH. He advances a foreign god which "his fathers did no know" again, ALLAH.

17. Again, MECCA is a religious city, filled with wealth. [SUP]16 [/SUP]and saying, ‘Alas, alas, that great city that was clothed in fine linen, purple, and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls!

MECCA is located by the SEA, the RED SEA. The ships stood at a distance in the Red Sea, which is the second largest shipping channel in the world and they cried out when they saw MECCA's destruction.

[SUP]17 [/SUP]For in one hour such great riches came to nothing.’ Every shipmaster, all who travel by ship, sailors, and as many as trade on the sea, stood at a distance [SUP]18 [/SUP]and cried out when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, ‘What is like this great city?’

18. What happens to the sea? [SUP]8 [/SUP]Then the second angel sounded: And something like a great mountain burning with fire was thrown into the sea, and a third of the sea became blood. What color is "Blood" RED.

19. How did the Kings of the Arab world become rich? With their wine which is oil.

20. Muslims and Jews mourn in the same way. [SUP]19 [/SUP]“They threw dust on their heads and cried out, weeping and wailing, and saying, ‘Alas, alas, that great city, in which all who had ships on the sea became rich by her wealth! For in one hour she is made desolate.’

Trade with Israel is relatively minor. Nobody is getting rich from trading with Israel. Trade with Saudi Arabia and her oil is a different story. For the nations of the world have become drunk with her wine - OIL.

If you still think Mystery Babylon is Jerusalem, I can't help you.
 
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