Who is Babylon the Great Harlot?

[PlainWord]

Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

This is the third of mankind gathered by Satan against Israel.

Zec 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Thanks for providing this verse. I highlighted the word, "Plague" above. Now see the same word used here.

By these three plagues a third of mankind was killed...

God uses plagues, not Satan. The 200 million strong army is GOD'S army.

Satan has 100 million demons
God has 200 million angels

It's a minor point but the 200 million are God's and they kill the wicked at Armageddon. Look at it again.

 

[PlainWord]

lol.. and can you tell me what those words have anything to do with the jews worshiping islam?

They prove who the harlot is, you use historical context, and biblical history to interpret the word do you not?

the harlot of John will have those signs..


eyes to see? Look up scripture, and history of the word. you will see and not be so blind.

the harlot is and always has been paganism, what is paganistic about islam?

instead of judging, why do you not open your eyes.[/B][/COLOR]

do you think any 1st century reader would see the mother of harlots who has caused Gods people to commit adultry, as Islam?

get real man!



no they are not the same,
babylon had the image of the mother and child.

the child killed and risen again is the symbol of babylon

The high priest, the temples the sacraments are all symbols of babylon, Islam has non of these.

Sorry, but I can't continue with this discussion with you. I am getting too frustrated and don't want to lose control. I wish I could help you see straight but clearly I can't so you are on your own. Go in peace my friend.

 

[PlainWord]

In reality, when the Beast power arises and begins to exercise power, Islam is not even noted as a force on the scene.

[SUP]16 [/SUP]And the ten horns which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire. [SUP]17 [/SUP]For God has put it into their hearts to fulfill His purpose...

The BEAST will Hate the Harlot ISLAM and will KILL IT (MECCA). The Saudi's are building their fence to keep ISIS out, right now.

 

[john832]

This is the third of mankind gathered by Satan against Israel.

Think about this for a moment...

There is one sign for the inhabitants of the area around Jerusalem (Judea) to flee but it comes in two parts...

Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

When armies (Beast power) surround Jerusalem then the desolation is near. What happens next?

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Mat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

When the AoD is set up, it is time to get out of Dodge.

Thanks for providing this verse. I highlighted the word, "Plague" above. Now see the same word used here.

By these three plagues a third of mankind was killed...

God uses plagues, not Satan. The 200 million strong army is GOD'S army.

Satan has 100 million demons
God has 200 million angels

It's a minor point but the 200 million are God's and they kill the wicked at Armageddon. Look at it again.

I showed you that it was men, you are reaching to try to apply one passage in the face of the weight of several passages in different books in both the OT and the NT.

Show me the scripture that says Satan has 100 million and God has 200 million.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

[SUP]16 [/SUP]And the ten horns which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire. [SUP]17 [/SUP]For God has put it into their hearts to fulfill His purpose...

The BEAST will Hate the Harlot ISLAM and will KILL IT (MECCA). The Saudi's are building their fence to keep ISIS out, right now.

lol..

The harlot is not mecca or islam.

when are you going to study the truth and who the harlot is by the examples scripture gives us from the OT and New, and stop making things up?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Sorry, but I can't continue with this discussion with you. I am getting too frustrated and don't want to lose control. I wish I could help you see straight but clearly I can't so you are on your own. Go in peace my friend.

thats your problem right there. You think your right, and your angry over something which will not even determine anyones eternal destiny.

which is why I said, these discussions are futile and worthless.

No, you will not open my eyes, they are wide open. I have studdied babylon (the true) and what she looked like.

I have also studied Islam.

they look NOTHING ALIKE.

so nothing you can say will change that, or convince me, unless you can show HOW and WHEN ISLAM resembles the origional harlot of babyon. You know the religious system the jews kept getting into trouble with??

 

[john832]

[SUP]16 [/SUP]And the ten horns which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire. [SUP]17 [/SUP]For God has put it into their hearts to fulfill His purpose...

The BEAST will Hate the Harlot ISLAM and will KILL IT (MECCA). The Saudi's are building their fence to keep ISIS out, right now.

The harlot is not Islam...

Rev 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
Rev 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Rev 17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

There is one great universal church that has ridden the Beast six times and is preparing to ride it one more time.

In verse 4 there is a powerful clue. Do you know what a Cardinal is? Do you know who is dressed in purple? You should answer these questions and then tell me who has persecuted the little flock in the past. Hint: INQUI(sition)RING minds want to know.

 

[weakness]

Babylon means confusion. The entire world secular and non-secular is Babylon unless you have entered ZION - The City of Truth (Zech 8:3). So simple, once you move beyond the simplicity of it, it gets complicated - confusion = Babylon.

Of course, you cannot have the Unspiritual Interpretation and know this.[/QUOTE Although I don't agree with some of your other ideas, I think that there is something in what you are saying here. I have studied this a lot,and am not sure on the answer but I haven't herd any other answers that satisfy the scriptures. Rev. says that in her, the harlot was found the blood of all that have been slain upon the earth. This would include every one ,even Abel Cain's brother of whom God said the earth cries out of the blood that has been soaked up by it. Luke 11:51 and Mat.23:35 says that the payment for all the righteous blood shed upon the earth will be required of this generation. Which I assume to mean a group of like individuals or of the same kind and nature, rather than the off spring of of the jews at the time of Jesus. Jesus speaks of the false jews as there father the Devil, and another the Devil being the father of lies. We are born of the flesh (Devil) or the Spirit (God). So I think that the mother of harlots is all mankind not born of the Father, which would make sense in context of Rev.Fallen man craves all these luxuries, Lust after them, allows merchants to get rich,those who trade in beautiful goods to exceedingly prosper, Have fornicated with kings of the earth, It says when great babylon come to God's mind the islands flee away and the mountains were not found. The beast in Rev.12:3 has seven heads ten horns and seven crowns and is a red dragon, the beast upon which the whore rides has seven heads ten horns but ten crowns instead of seven and is given power by the Dragon Rev13:2. This beast has a deadly wound ,but is alive again, comes out of the sea(peoples) Rev.17:8 was and is not ,ascends out of the bottomless pit and Goes into perdition, also is the eight Rev17:11 who is one of the previous seven Kings being brought back to life so to say. John says Rev17:10 five are fallen, one is , and one who continues a short time hasn't come yet ,and the beast that was and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven (previous), The king in Johns time was ?

 

[kennethcadwell]

Look at the so-called "West Bank" above.
A bank is a narrow strip of land along a river or lake. As a supposed bank, this "bank" extends over half way to the Mediterranean Sea. Why do they go on calling it "bank"? Why don't they call it Ephraim, Manasseh, & Judah???

And why do they go on speaking about creating a second state to have a "two state solution"? If you look at the original Palestinian Mandate, the Moslems already got their Palestinian state; it is known as Jordan, & the part they got was much bigger than the part the Jews got. So having gotten their half, now they want a half of the other guy's half. It is like if the Hindus who somehow ended up in Pakistan after the Hindus got the huge India, would now demand that Pakistan be cut up again to create Hindu state out of it.

That is because this map shows how much land is actually under Palestinian control.

 

[kennethcadwell]

lol..

The harlot is not mecca or islam.

when are you going to study the truth and who the harlot is by the examples scripture gives us from the OT and New, and stop making things up?

You talk about you have studied the subject and know exactly, however you show how unwilling you are to open your eyes by your statement here. Because if you would have watched the video I gave, it breaks it down by even using scripture how Saudi Arabia does fit the description that you keep trying say it doesn't. That video completely refutes what you say, and you have still to prove how Vatican city is Babylon when it is not a major sea port city. One main fact of Babylon that seems to elude people on this matter. Vatican city and Jerusalem neither one are major sea ports.........

 

[JosephIsrael]

Babylon the great is the Roman Catholic church. Rev 17:5 explains that all religions come from the mother church. Also her location is on seven mountains. Review pictures of the Vatican's location.

 

[Chopper]

Here... look at this and then figure it out.

First there was the Sanhedrin who added to and took away from Torah within their own laws, then they vanished only to be replaced by the Roman Catholic Church, doing the exact same things, as well as having similar appearances and things like that, and wow, now all of the sudden after a thousand years or so, the Sanhedrin re-appear. Look at the noahide laws, which are part of the Talmud, the set of laws created by the Sanhedrin.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Babylon the great is the Roman Catholic church. Rev 17:5 explains that all religions come from the mother church. Also her location is on seven mountains. Review pictures of the Vatican's location.

The problem with this though is that Rome or the Vatican city are neither one a major sea port city, which is a description of Babylon.

 

[kennethcadwell]

This is the third of mankind gathered by Satan against Israel.



Thanks for providing this verse. I highlighted the word, "Plague" above. Now see the same word used here.

By these three plagues a third of mankind was killed...

God uses plagues, not Satan. The 200 million strong army is GOD'S army.

Satan has 100 million demons
God has 200 million angels

It's a minor point but the 200 million are God's and they kill the wicked at Armageddon. Look at it again.

The 200 million man army is not God's army to go up against Satan's, He just uses the army to do His will. Just like He allows the antichrist to destroy Babylon. Notice He sends another angel to release the 4 that He had bound (kept in chains) at the river tell the time had come to use them.

 

[john832]

Babylon the great is the Roman Catholic church. Rev 17:5 explains that all religions come from the mother church. Also her location is on seven mountains. Review pictures of the Vatican's location.

Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner.

 

[weakness]

Babylon the great is the Roman Catholic church. Rev 17:5 explains that all religions come from the mother church. Also her location is on seven mountains. Review pictures of the Vatican's location.[/QUOTe Babylon the Great is the generation of Evil, their father is Satan . How else would the blood of ALL the righteous be found in her? Abel was the first, where were any of your notions then? Where was the harlot then???? The harlot is all those that hate the truth, fornicate,despise,lovers of their own selves, murderers,scorners, they hate the light,they covet their neighbors house and wife, They want to sit in the seat of God, they promise liberty and freedom, but are servants of destruction, They worship the god of forces, they covet, which is idolatry,they divide the land for gain, they are the offspring of evil that has been around since Satan's first murderer of Abel. And for every one....Sin lies at our door.

 

[john832]

The problem with this though is that Rome or the Vatican city are neither one a major sea port city, which is a description of Babylon.

The original King of the North was Syria ruled by the Seleucids. It was overrun by Rome and Rome became the King of the North. There have been six resurrections of the Holy Roman Empire...

Justinian recognized the Papal authority in the West in 554AD
Charlemagne crowned by the Pope on xmas day in 800AD
Otto the Great crowned by the Pope in 962AD
Charles V crowned by the Pope in 1520AD
Napoleon crowned by the Pope in 1805AD
Hitler/Mussolini supported by the Pope 1934-1945

Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

We are about to see him rise in Europe.

 

[kennethcadwell]

The original King of the North was Syria ruled by the Seleucids. It was overrun by Rome and Rome became the King of the North. There have been six resurrections of the Holy Roman Empire...

Justinian recognized the Papal authority in the West in 554AD
Charlemagne crowned by the Pope on xmas day in 800AD
Otto the Great crowned by the Pope in 962AD
Charles V crowned by the Pope in 1520AD
Napoleon crowned by the Pope in 1805AD
Hitler/Mussolini supported by the Pope 1934-1945

Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

We are about to see him rise in Europe.

Look I have not once debated against past history, nor have I gone against what you say. By what I have seen in studies is that the European union is the rise of the Roman empire again, and the antichrist will rise to lead it. The Vatican or Rome will be the head quarters of the false prophet (Second beast) that makes others worship the antichrist (first beast).

[h=1]Revelation 13:11-12
Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. 12 And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

But to place the false prophet and Babylon as one and the same can and does not fit. Vatican city and Rome are not sea port cities, and the antichrist does not destroy his own false prophet. Vatican city being destroyed also will not hurt the economy or the merchant market of other countries as bad as the main oil capital of the world getting destroyed. [/h]

 

[john832]

Look I have not once debated against past history, nor have I gone against what you say. By what I have seen in studies is that the European union is the rise of the Roman empire again, and the antichrist will rise to lead it. The Vatican or Rome will be the head quarters of the false prophet (Second beast) that makes others worship the antichrist (first beast).

Revelation 13:11-12
Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. 12 And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

But to place the false prophet and Babylon as one and the same can and does not fit. Vatican city and Rome are not sea port cities, and the antichrist does not destroy his own false prophet. Vatican city being destroyed also will not hurt the economy or the merchant market of other countries as bad as the main oil capital of the world getting destroyed.

Explain to me how Babylon was a seaport city in the type. The anti-type need not be a seaport either.

The Beast, the political/military leader, and the False Prophet, the religious leader, will fulfill the anti-type of the last resurrection of the Roman empire.

You will find that the lead nation in this last resurrection will be Germany (ancient Assyria).

 

[Hizikyah]

Revelation 13:13
It performs great signs, even making fire come down from heaven to earth in front of people,

Revelation 13:4they worshiped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, "Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?"