Who is Babylon the Great Harlot?

[Ukorin]

There are two separate things being discussed. The BEAST and the HARLOT. The imagery tells us that the Harlot (False Religion) "rides" the BEAST. The BEAST is a group of Nations. The religion of these nations directs how they act NATIONALLY. It defines them. Much as Catholicism supposedly defines Italy, Judaism defines Israel, Hinduism defines India and Buddhism defines China, Islam defines the Beast nations and controls their national behavior and identity.

Harlotry is most often associated with Idol worship in the Bible. Idol worship is characterized by an image or figure being that which is bowed down to and subjecting one's self to. Here's God's first commandment.

[SUP]3 [/SUP]“You shall have no other gods before Me.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]“You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above... [SUP]5 [/SUP]you shall not bow down to them nor serve them.

Muslims face, bow down and worship MECCA. Central at MECCA is the Kaaba Stone. This stone is considered to be a meteor which of course is an heavenly object. Muslims bow down and worship this meteor in direct and constant disobedience to the Commandment of God not once, but FIVE TIMES PER DAY. Nothing the Catholics do is as egregious as this!!

Islam is the daughter of original Babylon. The worship a graven image in exactly the same way as the original Babylonians right down to the same calling to worship of music. Compare Dan 3 to Rev 18.

...at the time you hear the sound of the horn, flute, harp, lyre, and psaltery, in symphony with all kinds of music, you shall fall down and worship the gold image that King Nebuchadnezzar has set up...

...Babylon shall be thrown down, and shall not be found anymore. [SUP]22 [/SUP]The sound of harpists, musicians, flutists, and trumpeters shall not be heard in you anymore.

We have an exact match!! The symbols they follow are also the same. The Star and Crescent.

The original Babylonians also followed a pagan symbol that contained letters 1 to 36. These numbers were said to represent 36 known constellations of their time. If you add these numbers up 1, 2, 3, ... 36 = 666. The shape of this pagan symbol is a cube, just like the structure which holds the Kaaba Stone as it's cornerstone instead of Christ as its corner stone.

ISLAM is a wicked, horrible and Satanic religion. All those who follow ISLAM will perish in Hell. There is no comparison between ISLAM and Catholicism. Those who still think the Pope and/or the Catholic Church is the religion riding the Beast really ought to reconsider their views.

Have you seen the star of Ashurah recently?
Have you seen any prayer to a stone structure in another Middle Eastern city recently?
Did you not see Christians being stoned and chased from their homes by another religious group in YouTube videos?

The harlot is not the mother of a single religion. Islam is the sister of Judaism, and they have the same mommy, just like the RRC, Mormons, JWs, Word of Faith prosperity, Eastern Orthodoxy... same root. Same fruit.
Don't narrow your focus so much. Just because Islam is an obvious enemy does not mean that she alone is the Enemy.
Narrow focus makes a blindside unavoidable. The deception will not be so obvious.

 

[PlainWord]

Have you seen the star of Ashurah recently?
Have you seen any prayer to a stone structure in another Middle Eastern city recently?
Did you not see Christians being stoned and chased from their homes by another religious group in YouTube videos?

The harlot is not the mother of a single religion. Islam is the sister of Judaism, and they have the same mommy, just like the RRC, Mormons, JWs, Word of Faith prosperity, Eastern Orthodoxy... same root. Same fruit.
Don't narrow your focus so much. Just because Islam is an obvious enemy does not mean that she alone is the Enemy.
Narrow focus makes a blindside unavoidable. The deception will not be so obvious.

The harlot is not the mother of a single religion, agreed. The harlot IS the religion - Islam. Islam is the religion that the Man of Sin (many call AntiChrist) will lead against Israel and the Church. Islam is the Great False Satanic Replacement Religion. None of the other false religions even come close to what the BEAST who is ridden by ISLAM is going to do to the world.

John saw a specific BEAST (Nation) arising up from a specific region (north of Israel) and doing specific things and led by a specific entity. This BEAST will destroy ISLAM as it has been since 630s AD. This BEAST will follow the Man of Sin who is none other than Satan come in human form (just as Christ came). This BEAST will be responsible for Great and terrible Tribulation of Israel and her offspring, the Church.

This Satanic Tribulation will blow away anything the world, or Israel, has ever seen. Nothing will stop it until "the Ancient of Days" stops it. Israel has been through a lot of tribulation in its 4,000 year history. It has been obliterated and removed from its land for nearly 2,000 years. It endured Hitler where half of its number was murdered. However, none of this compares to what the BEAST under Satan is planning for her. Just look around you. The table is being set.

 

[PlainWord]

I do agree with much of what you said but...

The satan created both, through the RCC satan created Islam;

[video=youtube;hw9sOhhcK_o]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hw9sOhhcK_o[/video]

Satan created every false religion and false doctrine. Satan is the wolf in sheep's clothing. Satan is behind the Pre-Trib Rapture doctrine. Satan is behind the idea that Christ comes first. Satan is a liar and a murderer and the father of them. Satan is behind the belief that many have who think the Great Tribulation is a period of divine wrath rather than what it really is - Satan's massive slaughter and persecution of God's people.

The RCC is certainly not blameless in the past and probably won't be blameless in the future. They are a corrupt organization with many false doctrines. But I don't see the RCC being a major player in the killing to come. They could play a part in the deception to come if they acknowledge the Man of Sin as the true God. That is certainly plausible.

The unrighteous deception to come is going to be unreal. So many will fall for it. No true Christian is going to fall for ISIS or a radical Islamic extremist. But the Man of Sin comes as a man of peace initially. He has great powers as God. He does amazing miracles and things. So many are duped.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

The Tribulation will be Gods wrath. He tells us He is bringing it down on the earth. He told us not to flee from the coming wrath. The bible talks often of His wrath. And actually it says that satan will be given his powers back by God, and he will use it to turn nations against each other and mis lead the world. I imagine thats part of His wrath. God has very much warned of His wrath, its biblical. God is very angry and is coming down on those who will not repent.

 

[JesusistheChrist]

Sigh...

Here we go, AGAIN:

The Vatican is the BEAST??? Really?? The location is wrong.

Yes, the Papacy/the Vatican is "the beast".

Really.

Also, the location is just fine and honest, Spirit-led people like me aren't easily duped by the deceptive practices of dishonest people like you.

For example:

[SUP]2 [/SUP]Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion.

Do you know the location and identities of the Leopard, bear and lion nations? If you don't, this is one of your problems.

I don't have any problems, friend, but you've got several.

Why did you only quote verse 2 (rhetorical question)? Here's a fuller quote:

Revelation chapter 13

[1] And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
[2] And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
[3] And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
[4] And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
[5] And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
[6] And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
[7] And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
[8] And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
[9] If any man have an ear, let him hear.

You deliberately, selectively quoted verse two (you deceptive man) to only introduce the leopard (Greece), the bear (Medo-Persia) and the lion (Babylon) while deliberately leaving out all of the surrounding verses WHICH POINT DIRECTLY TO ROME OR TO DANIEL'S FOURTH BEAST:

Daniel chapter 7

[19] Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;
[20] And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.
[21] I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
[22] Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
[23] Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
[24] And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
[25] And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
[26] But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
[27] And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

Again, why did you deliberately leave out the verses which clearly point to Daniel's fourth beast or to ROME?

What's that?

Because you think that I'm a fool who wouldn't notice the same?

Think again.

If you have to resort to such deceptive practices, then that ought to tell you who is inspiring you to do the same.

THE VAST MAJORITY OF THIS "WOMAN" DOES NOT "KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD" AND DOES NOT "HAVE THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST". It's right there...like it or not.

I disagree. The Jews in Israel try to keep the Commandments of God because they still think they are under the Law. But they don't have the testimony of Christ, that's true. But the passage doesn't say the Woman in Rev 12 has the testimony of Christ, it says her offspring does.

You can disagree all that you want to, but you're still wrong. Again, THE VAST MAJORITY OF JEWS IN ISRAEL DO NOT KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD NOR DO THEY HAVE THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST. Welcome to reality, friend. Furthermore, the passage doesn't merely speak of "her offspring". Rather, it speaks of "THE REMNANT of her seed" (Revelation 12:17). What exactly is it about "THE REMNANT" that you don't understand or like? Again, rhetorical question.

We are in agreement that the WOMAN in Rev 12 is Israel.

One down...many to go.

But this does not mean the WOMAN in Rev 17 is also Israel. In fact, quite the opposite. This WOMAN, John did not recognize. Why? Because she did not exist in his day. Secular Israel existed but not ISLAM.

You seem to be of the mindset that just because you assert something that therefore it is true EVEN WHEN IT CONTRADICTS THE DIRECT TESTIMONY OF SCRIPTURE. AGAIN, here is what John saw:

Revelation chapter 17

[3] So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
[4] And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
[5] And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
[6] And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
[7] And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

In relation to the same, I've previously posted:

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/47873-who-babylon-great-harlot-15.html#post1859003

First of all, in verse 3, we are introduced to TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES:

1. A woman.
2. A scarlet colored beast.

They are NOT one and the same, even though many people erroneously conflate the two. No, there is a "woman" and there is ALSO a "scarlet colored beast" upon which she sits. Although I won't discuss this on this particular thread, I'll tell you plainly that I'm firmly convinced by both scripture and recorded history that the "scarlet colored beast" is the Vatican/the Papacy, but that is another topic for another day. In this thread, I'm going to seek to prove to you and others the identity of the "woman".

Secondly, whoever this "woman" is, she is "drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus" (Revelation 17:6). If we continue reading on to chapter 18 of the book of Revelation, then this "woman", "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH" (Revelation 17:5), and her insatiable taste for blood is a little bit further described. Yes, we read:

"And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth." (Revelation 18:24)

Yes, whoever this "woman" is, God holds her accountable not only for "the blood of the saints", "the blood of the martyrs of Jesus" and "the blood of prophets", but also for "the blood...of all that were slain upon the earth". If we're to believe scripture and to let the Bible interpret itself, then, again, there is only one city upon the face of the earth who all of this could possibly be referring to and that one city is JERUSALEM. We read:

"Nevertheless I must walk to-day and to-morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem." (Luke 13:33)

Those are the recorded words of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ, and He said that "it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem". IT CANNOT BE! Therefore, when we read of how "in her was found the blood of prophets" (Rev. 18:24), this "her" must be JERUSALEM.

"Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:" (Acts 7:51-52)

Again, it was the Jews of Jerusalem who not only persecuted the prophets, but who also slew them. As such, when we read of how "in her was found the blood of the prophets" (Rev. 18:24), this "her" can only be referring to JERUSALEM.

"For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sin always: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost." (I Thessalonians 2:14-16)

Same scenario. Yes, once more, it is the Jews of Judaea or those of Jerusalem who have "both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets". Once more, when you read of how "in her was found the blood of the prophets" (Rev. 18:24), this "her" can only be referring to JERUSALEM.

Remember, now, that whoever this "woman" is, she was also held accountable by God for "the blood...of all that were slain upon the earth" (Rev. 18:24). Wow! I wouldn't want such an accusation leveled against me, would you? Well, again, there's only one city upon the face of the earth who is worthy of this charge and I'll let Jesus Christ tell you exactly which city that is:

"Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord." (Matthew 23:34-39)

Again, those were the words of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ, and He said that upon Jerusalem would "come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar". Yes, Jesus Christ cried, "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets" and, again, "in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth" (Rev. 18:24) and this "her" or this "woman" is JERUSALEM and JERUSALEM alone.

JESUS CHRIST (Have you ever heard of Him?) SAID THAT "IT CANNOT BE THAT A PROPHET PERISH OUT OF JERUSALEM" AND JESUS CHRIST (ditto) SAID "THAT UPON JERUSALEM WOULD COME ALL OF THE RIGHTEOUS BLOOD SHED UPON THE EARTH"!

With such being the case, I only have one question for you:

Are you wiser than JESUS CHRIST?

Seriously, don't even bother responding to my posts anymore, but do this instead...

Go into your bedroom, shut the door behind you, kneel down by the side of your bed and pray something like this:

"Father God, I REPENT OF MY HERESIES and of seeking to mislead Your people with the same. Please forgive me and from hereon please lead me and guide me into all truth by the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of truth. In Jesus' Name I pray. Amen."

Revelation chapter 17 says NOTHING of a "scarlet woman".

You appear to have difficulty with reading. Did you struggle with that in HS as well?

[4] And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour,

Purple is the color of royalty. Scarlet is the color of sin.

Again, you've offered nothing but a deliberately truncated verse (and an insult). Here's the full verse:

"And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:" (Revelation 17:4)

CONTEXTUALLY (not that CONTEXT means anything to people like you), we are reading of how this "woman" is CLOTHED and, again, if you knew anything about how to properly study the Bible (you don't), then you'd recognize that this "woman's" CLOTHING was being both compared to and contrasted with that of ISRAEL'S HIGH PRIEST even as I previously documented here:

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/47873-who-babylon-great-harlot-15.html#post1859024

Please take the time to follow the link. If you do, then who knows...perhaps you'll actually learn something about proper hermeneutics (I can hope, can't I?)?

Again, there are TWO DISTINCT ENTITIES here and we must not conflate them:

1. A woman.
2. A scarlet colored beast upon which she sits or which carries her.

This same "scarlet colored beast" is detailed and defined for us in Revelation chapter 13 and it is NOT the "woman".

I totally agree. The BEAST is a "NATION" or secular ruling entity whereas the Woman is a religion. It is fair to say that the WOMAN of Rev 12 is the faith of Israel. This WOMAN gave birth to Christ. But as we know, there will be a false Christ promoting a false religion. Can they be the same religion or are they different? Is there a prominent false religion today that has its own god and prophet?

Oy vey.

"The beast" is the Papacy/the Vatican, friend, and the "woman" is JERUSALEM who will enter into a 7 year end time covenant in which there will be a rebuilt temple and during which, at the midway point, THE ANTICHRIST WILL SIT WITHIN THE TEMPLE, IN THE SEAT WHICH HAS BEEN DESIGNATED FOR JESUS CHRIST, THE PROPHESIED "SON OF DAVID", AND SHOW HIMSELF TO BE GOD IN JERUSALEM!

Seriously, friend, how the hell do you think that the antichrist is going to wind up IN JERUSALEM without the "woman", JERUSALEM, "sitting upon the beast" or without the "woman", JERUSALEM, entering into an end time covenant with the antichrist? He does NOT enter JERUSALEM forcibly, but rather via PEACE. Try reading your Bible and stay away from YouTube.

Back up your assertion. IOW, prove where "the BEAST from the Sea is" ALLEGEDLY "clearly identified as coming from the north area of Turkey, Syria, Iraq and Iran". Now, when I speak of backing up your assertion or proving it.

If I prove it will you acknowledge it? See if you can follow this.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion.

This is telling us that there will be a BEAST or Nation/Political entity comprised of a Leopard, Bear and Lion. Do you know what countries or region this represents? Daniel 7 mentions this same thing, "beasts coming from the sea."

[SUP]3 [/SUP]And four great beasts came up from the sea, each different from the other. [SUP]4 [/SUP]The first was like a lion...

[SUP]5 [/SUP]“And suddenly another beast, a second, like a bear.

[SUP]6 [/SUP]“After this I looked, and there was another, like a leopard.

LION = Babylon
BEAR = Medo-Persia
LEOPARD = Greece

This is widely accepted by all Bible scholars I ever heard of. It's in my study Bible. What does yours say? If you disagree with this then explain what you think they represent. John recognized the ancestors of the Beast he saw in Rev 13 because he had the historical context of Daniel. John saw a "nation" (BEAST) arising from the same location as those mentioned by Daniel. Hint: It ain't Israel.

Again, you deliberately left out the surrounding verses from Revelation chapter 13 which clearly identify this "beast" WITH DANIEL'S FOURTH BEAST: ROME!

Regarding your "hint", are you retarded or something? I've told you repeatedly that "the beast" is the Papacy/the Vatican, so why are you telling me "It ain't Israel"?

Well, due to post length restrictions, I'll have to address the rest of your NONSENSE in a separate post.

 

[Mitspa]

You mean this?

[SUP]15 [/SUP]He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. [SUP]16 [/SUP]He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, [SUP]17 [/SUP]and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark orthe name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Which religion kills those who don't worship it's image? Which does not allow you to be a part of their society - buying and selling - unless you worship as they do? Which religion beheads?

Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands.

Oh yeah. the Catholics. You are so right. Man I'm so dumb.

Yes the catholics and the French revolution and many people have beheaded others...maybe the same spirit at work but you cannot ignore what is evident as representing Rome!

 

[Jackson123]

Which religion can this be said about, Catholicism or Islam?

And the name of him who sat on it was Death, and Hades followed with him.

Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus.

It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them.

Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion.

He opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven

[SUP]39 [/SUP]Thus he shall act against the strongest fortresses with a foreign god

[SUP]2 [/SUP]“Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal, and prophesy against him, [SUP]3 [/SUP]and say, ‘Thus says the Lord God: Behold, I am against you..

Rosh = Russia
Meshech = Western Turkey
Tubal = Southeasten Turkey

He shall have power over the treasures of gold and silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt; also the Libyans and Ethiopians shall follow at his heels.

All of the above are ISLAMIC, not CATHOLIC.

Is this religion represent the Antichrist who rule the world?

 

[JesusistheChrist]

Excuse me, but didn't you mean to say "there is an enormous IRRELEVANT difference"?

Show me "the world's oil" anywhere in the following list:

Crude oil isn't specifically stated as one of the commodities in the list there in Rev 18.

Friend, you should have stopped right there, having acknowledged your EISEGESIS, but, no, you just had to continue further on in your folly, didn't you?

However, please note this:

[11] And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

Those mourning over Babylon are sad because they lost their customer. Who are their customers? The rich Saudi Oil Princes. These Saudi kings bought luxurious things to adorn their palaces. The Saudis got their wealth from the oil they sold to the world.

What a bunch of BUNK!

Again, just more EISEGESIS on your part. For those who believe in and practice proper EXEGESIS, here is what the text actually says:

Revelation chapter 18

[11] And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:
[12] The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,
[13] And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.
[14] And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.
[15] The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,
[16] And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!

Tell me/us, friend, what exactly it is about "THE MERCHANTS OF THESE THINGS" that you don't understand?

Take your fairy tales elsewhere.

[SUP]3 [/SUP]For all the nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth have become rich through the abundance of her luxury.”

The above is discussing the Kings of the Earth who committed fornication (Idol Worship). What Jewish kings are there? Do Jewish Kings worship idols today or do you expect them to in the future?

Aren't you the same guy who questioned my ability to read? Yep, same guy. How is it then that you're so illiterate? For crying out loud, friend, "the kings of the earth" being spoken of here are NOT "Jews", but rather those who have committed fornication WITH THE JEWS.

Seriously, back away from your computer, lie down and get some rest. You're literally starting to scare me.

What merchants of the earth became or will become rich by trade with Israel? Do don't have a plausible explanation for the above.

Oh, I don't know...maybe those who will actually be selling the things which are actually on the list ("THESE THINGS") to the Jews...things which all pertain to temple worship, maintenance, etc., etc. I mean, it's not like the Bible says that there's a coming third temple IN JERUSALEM, is it?

What's that?

The Bible DOES foretell of the same?

Seriously, friend, wake up.

The Saudis not only sold oil, like a gazillion dollars worth, they spent their money on every conceivable luxury. They are also #1 in the world in sex slavery.

I used to travel to Bahrain and visit the international hotels there because it was the only places you can have a drink. (In my younger days in the US Merchant Marines, I wasn't the best Christian). The Saudi princes built a bridge to Bahrain...

The King Fahd Causeway (Arabic: جسر الملك فهد ‎, Jisr al-Malik Fahd) is a series of bridges and causeways connecting Saudi Arabia and Bahrain.

The #1 reason why they spent $800 million wasn't to foster better relations as they said, it was to PARTY. At these hotel bars European women could be found along with drink, music and sex. I was there in 1987 just one year after the causeway opened. Saudi stretch limos, gold plated Mercedes, BMWs, Rolls Royces etcs, lined the entrance to the hotel I used to frequent. The women were mostly single young girls who worked on the airlines. I had a lengthy discussion with one of them once. She was from Ireland and told me that the Arabs do not allow their women to work on planes because it would elevate them above the men. No joke. She went on to tell me that it was common for the girls to be offered $50,000 and up to have sex with the Saudi Sheiks. She claimed that she never did but many of her co-workers did. We all know the stories of girls being kid napped and sold into sex slavery in Saudi Arabia. They are religious hypocrites and dispised my most of their more pure Islamists, like ISIS and Iran.

[SUP]5 [/SUP]For her sins have reachedto heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.

Right now the Saudis have cut oil prices to hurt Iran and Russia to prevent Iran from getting a nuke. Now why would the Saudi's care if Iran got a nuke????? Any clue? Would Iran ever use a nuke against Saudi Arabia? Darn right they would and if MECCA is Babylon as I and others have stated, someone will.

Blah, blah, blah.

More things which are totally irrelevant to the actual texts and which only find relevancy IN YOUR EISEGESIS.

Again, go and repent before God. Repentance is a good thing, friend. I've had to repent of a whole host of things in my own lifetime, too, and I'm much better off today in having done the same.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Friend, you should have stopped right there, having acknowledged your EISEGESIS, but, no, you just had to continue further on in your folly, didn't you?


What a bunch of BUNK!

Again, just more EISEGESIS on your part. For those who believe in and practice proper EXEGESIS, here is what the text actually says:

Revelation chapter 18

[11] And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:
[12] The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,
[13] And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.
[14] And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.
[15] The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,
[16] And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!

Tell me/us, friend, what exactly it is about "THE MERCHANTS OF THESE THINGS" that you don't understand?

Take your fairy tales elsewhere.


Aren't you the same guy who questioned my ability to read? Yep, same guy. How is it then that you're so illiterate? For crying out loud, friend, "the kings of the earth" being spoken of here are NOT "Jews", but rather those who have committed fornication WITH THE JEWS.

Seriously, back away from your computer, lie down and get some rest. You're literally starting to scare me.


Oh, I don't know...maybe those who will actually be selling the things which are actually on the list ("THESE THINGS") to the Jews...things which all pertain to temple worship, maintenance, etc., etc. I mean, it's not like the Bible says that there's a coming third temple IN JERUSALEM, is it?

What's that?

The Bible DOES foretell of the same?

Seriously, friend, wake up.


Blah, blah, blah.

More things which are totally irrelevant to the actual texts and which only find relevancy IN YOUR EISEGESIS.

Again, go and repent before God. Repentance is a good thing, friend. I've had to repent of a whole host of things in my own lifetime, too, and I'm much better off today in having done the same.

I just had to mention this;
You do realize the Jews have already rebuilt all the stuff that goes into the temple and is sitting in storage waiting for the temple to be rebuilt to move that stuff in there. And they provide their own animals for sacrifice, they don't need to buy or import them......

 

[dcontroversal]

The Tribulation will be Gods wrath. He tells us He is bringing it down on the earth. He told us not to flee from the coming wrath. The bible talks often of His wrath. And actually it says that satan will be given his powers back by God, and he will use it to turn nations against each other and mis lead the world. I imagine thats part of His wrath. God has very much warned of His wrath, its biblical. God is very angry and is coming down on those who will not repent.

Actually tribulation (thilipsis) and wrath (orge) are entirely two different things with two different applications......just saying...!

 

[JesusistheChrist]

I just had to mention this;
You do realize the Jews have already rebuilt all the stuff that goes into the temple and is sitting in storage waiting for the temple to be rebuilt to move that stuff in there. And they provide their own animals for sacrifice, they don't need to buy or import them......

I've been following what the Jews have been doing for more than 20 years now, Kenneth. Similarly, I've been following what the Papacy/the Vatican has been up to. Just because I haven't really been posting too many or any current headlines, that does not mean that I'm not very familiar with what has been transpiring for years. Anyhow, from my understanding of scripture, from the time that the temple is rebuilt until the time in which the antichrist sets up "the abomination of desolation" is 3 1/2 years and temple sacrifice and oblations will be in effect during that timeframe. As such, it seems quite reasonable to me that those of JERUSALEM will need to replenish their supplies and "THESE THINGS" on the actual list provided for us in scripture would certainly seem to relate to the same.

 

[Ukorin]

The harlot is not the mother of a single religion, agreed. The harlot IS the religion - Islam. Islam is the religion that the Man of Sin (many call AntiChrist) will lead against Israel and the Church. Islam is the Great False Satanic Replacement Religion. None of the other false religions even come close to what the BEAST who is ridden by ISLAM is going to do to the world.

John saw a specific BEAST (Nation) arising up from a specific region (north of Israel) and doing specific things and led by a specific entity. This BEAST will destroy ISLAM as it has been since 630s AD. This BEAST will follow the Man of Sin who is none other than Satan come in human form (just as Christ came). This BEAST will be responsible for Great and terrible Tribulation of Israel and her offspring, the Church.

This Satanic Tribulation will blow away anything the world, or Israel, has ever seen. Nothing will stop it until "the Ancient of Days" stops it. Israel has been through a lot of tribulation in its 4,000 year history. It has been obliterated and removed from its land for nearly 2,000 years. It endured Hitler where half of its number was murdered. However, none of this compares to what the BEAST under Satan is planning for her. Just look around you. The table is being set.

Again, the issue with this view is that Islam is not the "mother of all harlots and abominations in the world", but only one of many harlots and abominations. Find the mother of Islam, and you find Mystery Babylon.

She is not simply a religion, but the mother of false religions and false doctrine,
mother of both the legalist and the licentious.

When you see all of her children coming together under one flag, then you will see in which city she she calls home. It was, and is not, and will be again.

 

[john832]

The Tribulation will be Gods wrath. He tells us He is bringing it down on the earth. He told us not to flee from the coming wrath. The bible talks often of His wrath. And actually it says that satan will be given his powers back by God, and he will use it to turn nations against each other and mis lead the world. I imagine thats part of His wrath. God has very much warned of His wrath, its biblical. God is very angry and is coming down on those who will not repent.

The Tribulation (2-1/2 years) is Satan's wrath. The Day of the Lord (1 year) is God's wrath.

 

[PlainWord]

The Tribulation will be Gods wrath. He tells us He is bringing it down on the earth. He told us not to flee from the coming wrath. The bible talks often of His wrath. And actually it says that satan will be given his powers back by God, and he will use it to turn nations against each other and mis lead the world. I imagine thats part of His wrath. God has very much warned of His wrath, its biblical. God is very angry and is coming down on those who will not repent.

ABSOLUTELY INCORRECT!!! The Tribulation is Satan's Wrath. Tribulation is ALWAYS persecution and killing of Saints by the wicked. God's Wrath follows Satan's Wrath and is in response to it. God is not responsible for Satan's Wrath but he does put an end to it and punishes those who have carried out Satan's Tribulation.

 

[PlainWord]

Yes, the Papacy/the Vatican is "the beast".

Really.

Also, the location is just fine and honest, Spirit-led people like me aren't easily duped by the deceptive practices of dishonest people like you.

The person who wrote the above is completely lacking in any ability to discern scripture. They are not spirit filled in the sense of given the gift of prophesy. Perhaps they have a different gift from the spirit but in matters dealing with prophesy - forget about it. Sorry friend. If you can't identify the spiritual enemy of our times you will lead yourself astray and anyone who listens to you. Sorry to be harsh but you are that wrong.

You deliberately, selectively quoted verse two (you deceptive man) to only introduce the leopard (Greece), the bear (Medo-Persia) and the lion (Babylon) while deliberately leaving out all of the surrounding verses WHICH POINT DIRECTLY TO ROME OR TO DANIEL'S FOURTH BEAST:

I left out verse 1 to save space so my posts don't end up being a mile long like yours. Verse 1 does not refer to Daniel's 4th beast. Verse 1 introduces the final beast which the passages I did quote tell us the location and identity of this final 8th beast. Daniel's 4th Beast is Rome. There is no debate about that. But John isn't talking about Daniel's 4th beast. John is talking about the 8th beast who is of the 7. READ IT AGAIN!!!

[SUP]10 [/SUP]There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time. [SUP]11 [/SUP]The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.

Daniel's 4 beasts are, in order: 1. Babylon, 2. Medo-Persia, 3. Greece, and 4. Rome

John's 8 beasts are, in order: 1. Egypt, 2. Syria, 3. Babylon, 4. Medo-Persia, 5. Greece, 6. Rome, 7. Ottoman Empire, 8. FINAL BEAST

John is telling you that the final BEAST is of the 7. Based on the location given in Rev 13:2, the 8th will come from the area of Syria, Babylon, and Medo-Persia!!! I showed you the passage in Daniel 7 which discusses the 3 Beast nations of the lion, bear and leopard nations. It is this location that John refers back to.

Daniel tells us that his fourth BEAST (which we all know ended up being ROME) will fall and be replaced by 10 kingdoms. The Little Horn will arise and subdue 3 of the 10 which have come from Rome. Read it again.

‘The fourth beast shall be
A fourth kingdom on earth,
Which shall be different from all other kingdoms,
And shall devour the whole earth,
Trample it and break it in pieces.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]The ten horns are ten kings
Who shall arise from this kingdom.
And another shall rise after them;
He shall be different from the first ones,
And shall subdue three kings.

Can you see this my friend??? "Ten horns are ten kings Who shall arise from this kingdom." This means that 10 kingdoms will arise from ROME.

I suggest you go back and do more studying, and less name calling, my friend because you are not ready for prime time. You throw insults around because you've made up your mind about Rome being John's last BEAST and that the harlot is the RCC when the real answer is ISLAM and is staring you right in the face.

The rest of your post isn't worth responding to as it is just more nonsense from an uninspired person who cannot discern what is right in front of your face. We have the largest single religion in the world, ISLAM, which has roots back to Babylon going around sawing people's heads off which is exactly what John tells us happens and you still think the BEAST is the Roman Catholic Church.

Sorry if I have offended you my friend...but seriously you have some homework to do before you start acting like you know everything.

 

[JesusistheChrist]

The Vatican is the BEAST??? Really??

Let's briefly examine some of the descriptors which are given us in scripture in relation to the true identity of "the beast" or the antichrist:

"After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns. I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things." (Daniel 7:7-8)

The Antichrist is here described as being a "little horn" or a "little kingdom" in that in Bible prophecy a "horn" equals a "king" and his "kingdom" (Daniel 7:24, 8:20, Revelation 17:12).

In case you're not already aware of it, Vatican City is the smallest or "littlest" recognized independent state in the world:

Vatican City - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Vatican City, officially Vatican City State, is a landlocked sovereign city-state whose territory consists of a walled enclave within the city of Rome. It has an area of approximately 44 hectares (110 acres), and a population of around 840. This makes Vatican City the smallest internationally recognized independent state in the world by both area and population.

Again:

http://www.history.com/news/10-things-you-...out-the-vatican

1. Vatican City is the smallest country in the world.

Encircled by a 2-mile border with Italy, Vatican City is an independent city-state that covers just over 100 acres, making it one-eighth the size of New York’s Central Park. Vatican City is governed as an absolute monarchy with the pope at its head. The Vatican mints its own euros, prints its own stamps, issues passports and license plates, operates media outlets and has its own flag and anthem. One government function it lacks: taxation. Museum admission fees, stamp and souvenir sales, and contributions generate the Vatican’s revenue.

This "little horn" or "little kingdom" is further described as being "diverse" or different from the other "horns" or "kingdoms":

"And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings." (Daniel 7:24)

Going back to two sources from which I've already cited, we read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_City

Vatican City is an ecclesiastical or sacerdotal-monarchical state, ruled by the Bishop of Rome—the Pope. The highest state functionaries are all Catholic clergymen of various national origins. It is the sovereign territory of the Holy See and the location of the Pope's official residence, referred to as the Apostolic Palace.

Again:

http://www.history.com/news/10-things-you-...out-the-vatican

Vatican City is governed as an absolute monarchy with the pope at its head.

Vatican City is "diverse" or different from the other "horns" or "kingdoms" in that it is an "ecclesiastical or sacerdotal-monarchial state, ruled by the Bishop of Rome - the Pope". In case you don't know what a "sacerdotal state" is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacerdotal_state

A sacerdotal state is a state whose head of state is also an ecclesiastical leader designated by a religious body. An example of this kind of state is the Vatican City, whose head of state is the Pope of the Catholic Church.

In this sense, this "little horn" or "little kingdom" certainly is "diverse" or different from the other "horns" or "kingdoms".

This "little horn" or "little kingdom" is also said to have "a mouth speaking great things" (Daniel 7:8). In relation to the same, we also read:

"I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame." (Daniel 7:11)

"And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows." (Daniel 7:20)

"And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time." (Daniel 7:25)

Again, in Revelation, in relation to this same "little horn" or "little kingdom", we read:

"And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations." (Revelation 13:5-7)

Yes, this "little horn" or the antichrist "speaks great things and blasphemy" and here is a Biblical definition of "blasphemy":

"I and my Father are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do you stone me? The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone you not; but for blasphemy; and because that you, being a man, make yourself God." (John 5:30-33)

A Biblical definition of "blasphemy" is when a man "makes himself God" or claims to be God and the very title of "Pope" means "Papa" or "Father":

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowe...searchmode=none

pope (n.)

Old English papa (9c.), from Church Latin papa "bishop, pope" (in classical Latin, "tutor"), from Greek papas "patriarch, bishop," originally "father." Applied to bishops of Asia Minor and taken as a title by the Bishop of Alexandria c.250. In Western Church, applied especially to the Bishop of Rome since the time of Leo the Great (440-461) and claimed exclusively by them from 1073 (usually in English with a capital P-). Popemobile, his car, is from 1979. Papal, papacy, later acquisitions in English, preserve the original vowel.

Again, Jesus said:

"But be not called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all you are brethren. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven." (Matthew 23:9)

In a spiritual sense, Jesus instructed His followers to let no man call them either Rabbi or Father because Christ is our Rabbi (Master) and God alone is our Father, yet, the Pope ("Papa", "Father") is not only regularly referred to as "Father", but, even worse, "Holy Father"...a title reserved for God alone. Not only this, but the Pope also calls himself the "Vicar of Christ" or the "Substitute of Christ", so, in effect, he's already been being referred to as "god" for many, many years.

We also just read another descriptor of this "little horn":

"And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time." (Daniel 7:25)

This "little horn" will "think to CHANGE" both "times and laws"...and this is precisely what the Papacy/the Vatican has done. Right now, I'll only cover certain aspects of the same, but there is more to it than what I'm about to type. For starters, God designated the seventh day as the Sabbath and for a good reason. We read:

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ." (Colossians 2:16-17)

The Sabbath was designed by God to be "a shadow of things to come". In relation to the same, we read:

Hebrews chapter 4

[1] Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
[2] For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
[3] For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
[4] For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
[5] And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
[6] Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
[7] Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
[8] For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
[9] There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
[10] For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
[11] Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

There yet remains "a rest to the people of God" and said "rest" is in direct relation to "the seventh day" or the Sabbath which God originally ordained to "foreshadow" the coming Millennial Reign or 1,000 Year Reign of Christ. In the midst of his discourse on the coming "day of the Lord", Peter wrote:

"But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." (II Peter 3:8)

Here, Peter cited...

"For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night." (Psalm 90:4)

...so that his readers would not be ignorant of the fact that the events which have been foretold to be fulfilled in the coming "day of the Lord" will actually transpire over a 1,000 year timeframe with "one day with the Lord being as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day". Anyhow, my point is this:

When God established the seven day week way back in Genesis, He "foreshadowed" the timeframe of man upon this earth. IOW, in the same manner in which God worked six days and then rested on the seventh day, man has been ordained to labor for 6,000 years, with "one day with the Lord being as a thousand years", and to then enter into God's rest on the seventh day or during the seventh 1,000 year time period or during the Millennial Reign of Christ. As such, by changing the Sabbath from the seventh day, what we call Saturday, to the first day, what we call Sunday, the "shadow" and God's "time" is completely CHANGED. IOW, instead of Christ's Millennial Reign being on the seventh day or during the seventh 1,000 year time period, it is now CHANGED to the first day or to the first 1,000 year time period. What "little horn", then, is responsible for such a "CHANGE"? Well, there's no need to guess. There is only one "little horn" or only one "little kingdom" upon the face of this earth who has "changed" God's Sabbath from the seventh day to the first day and that "little horn" or "little kingdom" is none other than Papal Rome. In fact, during the Protestant Reformation, the Roman Catholic church used this reality as a point of arguing against the Protestants in order to show them that by setting apart the first day of the week as the Sabbath, they were actually submitting to the Pope's authority and not to the sole authority of scripture ("Sola Scriptura") in that the Sabbath is clearly the seventh day of the week and not the first day of the week all throughout scripture. Here is what the Roman Catholic church had to say in regard to this matter:

Tract 22f - Letter From Rome

I hope that you will take the time to read the entire tract, but here is the closing argument from the same:

We Catholics, then, have precisely the same authority for keeping Sunday holy instead of Saturday as we have for every other article of our creed, namely, the authority of "the Church of the living God, and ground of truth" (1 Timothy 3:15); whereas you who are Protestants have really no authority for it whatever, for there is no authority for it in the Bible, and you will not allow that there can be authority for it anywhere else. Both you and we do, in fact follow [Catholic] tradition in this matter; but we follow it believing it to be a part of God's word, and the [Catholic] Church to be its divinely appointed guardian and interpreter. You follow it, denouncing it all the time as a fallible and treacherous guide which often "makes the commandment of God of none effect" (Matthew 15:6).

IOW, the Roman Catholic church was not only admitting that they "changed" God's "time", but also reminding the Protestants that they were actually submitting to the alleged authority of the Roman Papacy by following suit in this matter. Anyhow, this is but one example of how the Papacy or the "little horn" has "changed" God's "time". There is also only one "little horn" or only one "little kingdom" upon the face of this earth who has "changed" God's "law". Again, as you might already be aware, there are two different versions of the 10 Commandments in circulation these days...the Protestant version which lines up with scripture and the Roman Catholic version which "changes" God's "laws". You can read the 10 Commandments for yourselves in either Exodus 20:1-17 or Deuteronomy 5:1-21 and if you do so and then compare the same to the Roman Catholic version of the 10 Commandment as found here...

Catholic Bible 101 - The Ten Commandments

...then you will notice that the Roman Catholic church has omitted the commandment forbidding making and bowing down to graven images because they are steeped in idolatry and has instead broken the 10th commandment regarding covetousness into two separate commandments. Again, this is only a minor example of how the Roman Catholic Papacy has "changed" God's "laws", but they are the only "little horn" or the only "little kingdom" to deliberately alter two of God's laws as contained in the 10 Commandments.

I'll stop here for now because there are post length restrictions and I'm sure to exceed the same if I continue on in one single post. In a future post, I'll provide even more precise evidence as to the true identity of the antichrist or as to the true identity of the "little horn" or the "little kingdom".

 

[JesusistheChrist]

The person who wrote the above is completely lacking in any ability to discern scripture. They are not spirit filled in the sense of given the gift of prophesy. Perhaps they have a different gift from the spirit but in matters dealing with prophesy - forget about it. Sorry friend. If you can't identify the spiritual enemy of our times you will lead yourself astray and anyone who listens to you. Sorry to be harsh but you are that wrong.



I left out verse 1 to save space so my posts don't end up being a mile long like yours. Verse 1 does not refer to Daniel's 4th beast. Verse 1 introduces the final beast which the passages I did quote tell us the location and identity of this final 8th beast. Daniel's 4th Beast is Rome. There is no debate about that. But John isn't talking about Daniel's 4th beast. John is talking about the 8th beast who is of the 7. READ IT AGAIN!!!

[SUP]10 [/SUP]There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time. [SUP]11 [/SUP]The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.

Daniel's 4 beasts are, in order: 1. Babylon, 2. Medo-Persia, 3. Greece, and 4. Rome

John's 8 beasts are, in order: 1. Egypt, 2. Syria, 3. Babylon, 4. Medo-Persia, 5. Greece, 6. Rome, 7. Ottoman Empire, 8. FINAL BEAST

John is telling you that the final BEAST is of the 7. Based on the location given in Rev 13:2, the 8th will come from the area of Syria, Babylon, and Medo-Persia!!! I showed you the passage in Daniel 7 which discusses the 3 Beast nations of the lion, bear and leopard nations. It is this location that John refers back to.

Daniel tells us that his fourth BEAST (which we all know ended up being ROME) will fall and be replaced by 10 kingdoms. The Little Horn will arise and subdue 3 of the 10 which have come from Rome. Read it again.

‘The fourth beast shall be
A fourth kingdom on earth,
Which shall be different from all other kingdoms,
And shall devour the whole earth,
Trample it and break it in pieces.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]The ten horns are ten kings
Who shall arise from this kingdom.
And another shall rise after them;
He shall be different from the first ones,
And shall subdue three kings.

Can you see this my friend??? "Ten horns are ten kings Who shall arise from this kingdom." This means that 10 kingdoms will arise from ROME.

I suggest you go back and do more studying, and less name calling, my friend because you are not ready for prime time. You throw insults around because you've made up your mind about Rome being John's last BEAST and that the harlot is the RCC when the real answer is ISLAM and is staring you right in the face.

The rest of your post isn't worth responding to as it is just more nonsense from an uninspired person who cannot discern what is right in front of your face. We have the largest single religion in the world, ISLAM, which has roots back to Babylon going around sawing people's heads off which is exactly what John tells us happens and you still think the BEAST is the Roman Catholic Church.

Sorry if I have offended you my friend...but seriously you have some homework to do before you start acting like you know everything.

To quote the Wizard of Oz (Hey, one work of fiction deserves a quote from another work of fiction):

"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."

Your hot air balloon is leaving soon, friend.

Don't miss your flight.

 

[kennethcadwell]

I've been following what the Jews have been doing for more than 20 years now, Kenneth. Similarly, I've been following what the Papacy/the Vatican has been up to. Just because I haven't really been posting too many or any current headlines, that does not mean that I'm not very familiar with what has been transpiring for years. Anyhow, from my understanding of scripture, from the time that the temple is rebuilt until the time in which the antichrist sets up "the abomination of desolation" is 3 1/2 years and temple sacrifice and oblations will be in effect during that timeframe. As such, it seems quite reasonable to me that those of JERUSALEM will need to replenish their supplies and "THESE THINGS" on the actual list provided for us in scripture would certainly seem to relate to the same.

The only thing that needs to be replenished is the animals, that they provide themselves.
They do not use new things each time they make sacrifices, and everything they have they have made and is already sitting and waiting for the temple to be rebuilt. Anything else they provide themselves, no need to import anything, so nobody will be getting rich off the things needed for the temple. They either have it already, or provide themselves.....

 

[JesusistheChrist]

The only thing that needs to be replenished is the animals, that they provide themselves.
They do not use new things each time they make sacrifices, and everything they have they have made and is already sitting and waiting for the temple to be rebuilt. Anything else they provide themselves, no need to import anything, so nobody will be getting rich off the things needed for the temple. They either have it already, or provide themselves.....

We'll just have to wait and see, Kenneth.

Again, I've already provided you with documentation that Solomon himself had things IMPORTED VIA SHIP which were used in relation to the temple of his time. As such, the Jews during the time of the prophesied third temple could very well do the same.

 

[PlainWord]

To quote the Wizard of Oz (Hey, one work of fiction deserves a quote from another work of fiction):

"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."

Your hot air balloon is leaving soon, friend.

Don't miss your flight.

Don't you forget to hold onto your head when you walk past a Roman Catholic Church. You never know when a priest might appear in the doorway with a sword to chop your head off.

Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands.

Yeah, John was writing about the RCC church here, not Islam. Islam doesn't do such things. Thanks for your inspired insight my friend. I too will start fearing every catholic I encounter based on your vast wisdom and HS given gifts.