well if the Lord is the Spirit....it is evident they are one and the same....hence the reason when the apostles gave salutation it was always from God the Father and his Son Jesus Christ/our Lord Jesus Christ.... they understood the Lord is that Spirit...but there is not that knowledge in everyone....One God one Lord....
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I think we can understand it if we take John 1 at it's literal words.
Compare this with Genesis:
I think John 1 is to be taken literally as God's own spoken Word made flesh. Maybe this is what the trinity doctrine tries to convey, but it just comes off as something completely different to me. I think this is a better explanation. And we can compare these with this:
Literally God's word put in a flesh body. If we could imagine forming a body for our own words, it would still be us, but fully it's own body at the same time, but it could only speak what we commanded it to speak because the words would still be coming from our mind and it would literally be our own words in a body. We could even call this body our child and it make perfect sense. In that case, we could consider this passage:
Separate "things" (persons if you prefer), but the same God. This makes way more sense to me though than saying three persons and one God because that comes off as polytheism to me and fails to really explain the concept. This also clears up two things for me:
and:
It explains to me why Jesus wouldn't know the day or the hour but can still be fully God at the same time and why he claims the Father is greater than he and still claim to be God. I just think this is a more comprehensible explanation than the general statement of "3 persons, one God" and I don't think this explanation undermines that truth in any way.
Compare this with Genesis:
I think John 1 is to be taken literally as God's own spoken Word made flesh. Maybe this is what the trinity doctrine tries to convey, but it just comes off as something completely different to me. I think this is a better explanation. And we can compare these with this:
Literally God's word put in a flesh body. If we could imagine forming a body for our own words, it would still be us, but fully it's own body at the same time, but it could only speak what we commanded it to speak because the words would still be coming from our mind and it would literally be our own words in a body. We could even call this body our child and it make perfect sense. In that case, we could consider this passage:
Separate "things" (persons if you prefer), but the same God. This makes way more sense to me though than saying three persons and one God because that comes off as polytheism to me and fails to really explain the concept. This also clears up two things for me:
and:
It explains to me why Jesus wouldn't know the day or the hour but can still be fully God at the same time and why he claims the Father is greater than he and still claim to be God. I just think this is a more comprehensible explanation than the general statement of "3 persons, one God" and I don't think this explanation undermines that truth in any way.
who is Jesus praying to, the father - hello, the Father in Isaiah prophetically promises to uphold Jesus by His right hand - remember Jesus was also man, so the dependence on the Father, empowered by the Holy Spirit - the life that we should all be living, is how He did it
Good question to ask oneness Pentecostals or Unitarians as well
Good question to ask oneness Pentecostals or Unitarians as well
Yes, and keeping in mind that the Word is God (Jn 1:1).
And then to continue with Jn 1:13:
"The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.
We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only,
who came from the Father, full of grace and truth."
Christ Jesus is that Word who is God made flesh (Jn 1:1).
Well, let's go back to the beginning of the original creation in Ge 1:1,
as Jn went back to the beginning of the new creation (2Co 5:17) in Jn 1:1:
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty,
darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit (breath) of God was hovering over the waters.
And God said. . ." (Ge 1:1-3)
Not only was God's word at work in creation,
God's breath (ruach--air, wind, breath of God--Job 4:9; 2Sa 22:16; Job 4:9, 16:30)
was also at work in creation.
We find
God's Spirit and God's breath paralleled in creation (Ps 33:6);
God's breath as the Spirit in a man (Job 32:8, 33:4, 34:14-15);
God's Spirit as a wind (Jn 3:7-8).
Both God's word and God's breath are active in creation.
And in the NT we learn that God's word and God's breath are persons.
So we can see how they are one, as our thoughts (expressed in words) and our breath are ourselves,
but at the same time they are separate from ourselves.
I find this the most Biblical way to think of the Trinity,
in light of God's word and God's breath at work in the original creation of Ge,
and now at work in the new creation (2Co 5:17) of the NT.
And then to continue with Jn 1:13:
"The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.
We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only,
who came from the Father, full of grace and truth."
Christ Jesus is that Word who is God made flesh (Jn 1:1).
Well, let's go back to the beginning of the original creation in Ge 1:1,
as Jn went back to the beginning of the new creation (2Co 5:17) in Jn 1:1:
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty,
darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit (breath) of God was hovering over the waters.
And God said. . ." (Ge 1:1-3)
Not only was God's word at work in creation,
God's breath (ruach--air, wind, breath of God--Job 4:9; 2Sa 22:16; Job 4:9, 16:30)
was also at work in creation.
We find
God's Spirit and God's breath paralleled in creation (Ps 33:6);
God's breath as the Spirit in a man (Job 32:8, 33:4, 34:14-15);
God's Spirit as a wind (Jn 3:7-8).
Both God's word and God's breath are active in creation.
And in the NT we learn that God's word and God's breath are persons.
So we can see how they are one, as our thoughts (expressed in words) and our breath are ourselves,
but at the same time they are separate from ourselves.
I find this the most Biblical way to think of the Trinity,
in light of God's word and God's breath at work in the original creation of Ge,
and now at work in the new creation (2Co 5:17) of the NT.
Thanks for the explanation and I completely agree with this. It's just how some explain the trinity that causes confusion and I think there is a clearer way of defining it an this is perfect 
So we can see how they are one, as our thoughts (expressed in words) and our breath are ourselves,
that come forth out of ourselves,
as God's word (the Son) and God's breath (Holy Spirit) come forth out of God (Jn 8:42, 15:26),
but at the same time they are separate from ourselves.
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Isaiah 43:10-11 (HCSB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]“You are My witnesses”— ⌊this is⌋ the LORD’s declaration— “and My servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe Meand understand that I am He. No god was formed before Me, and there will be none after Me.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]I, I am Yahweh, and there is no other Savior but Me.
Luke 2:10-11 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]But the angel said to them, "Do not be afraid; for behold, I bring you good news of great joy which will be for all the people;
[SUP]11 [/SUP]for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.
CHRIST THEN is part of GOD, and the ONLY reason that I say part of GOD, is that I am counting only SPIRIT WHO is within the physical human body of Jesus Christ. When I consider that the SPIRIT in CHRIST is the OMNIPRESENT GOD of the Universe and Heaven, THEN I have to admit that when I do not stop at the skin of Jesus, then HE CERTAINLY IS THE TOTALITY OF GOD. REMEMBER, there are NOT three SPIRITS that make up GOD, but rather ONE SPIRIT Who has a THREE-FOLD NATURE.
Therefore, there would ONLY BE ONE THRONE FOR GOD, and NOT all of HIM could sit on it, as HE IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE OMNIPRESENT.
As for your other false accusation, it would help if you actually read the GOSPELS before you made the Accusation:
John 14:15-17 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] If ye love me, keep my commandments.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
John 14:26 (YLT)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] and the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and remind you of all things that I said to you.
John 15:26 (KJV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
John 16:7-10 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.[SUP]8 [/SUP] And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Of sin, because they believe not on me;
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
The reason you do find all the events and saying of Jesus Christ in any one GOSPEL, is they WERE NOT TRYING TO TELL THE WHOLE STORY.
John 21:25 (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
Instead all four of them were only trying to tell the events that validated a different ASPECT or FACET of WHO JESUS WAS and IS.
Those four ASPECTS or FACETS are THE KING, THE SERVANT, THE MAN, and HE IS GOD.
The Four Aspects Of Jesus
MATTHEW primarily focused on the events that validated that JESUS was the rightful heir to the Throne of David, and therefore IS the reigning KING OF ISRAEL.
Mark primarily focused on the events that validated that JESUS came as a Servant to become the ultimate Sacrificial Lamb.
LUKE primarily focused on the events that validated that JESUS really was human.
JOHN primarily focused on the events that validated that JESUS really was GOD in the Flesh.
EVEN WHEN YOU READ ALL FOUR GOSPELS, you do not have the WHOLE STORY ABOUT JESUS, only the Highlights. So you can forget about using missing stories, events, and sayings as proof of anything, including contradictions, because they NEVER intended to tell the whole story in the first place.
Yes, In 325 AD. the churches came together to address some teaching from a man named Arias who was teaching that Jesus was created. There was big dispute that lead to the Church addressing the nature of Christ. They determined that He is God in the sense that He is of the same essence that the Father is. Like the example that a human give birth to a human. When a man and a woman have a child, the child get traits from both and their ancestors. However, when the Son was born there was only the Father, there was no one else. So, the Son would have the traits of the Father alone, no mother or ancestors. Whatever God is He begets the same thing with out change. However, that Son is a different entity from the Father, they are two persons.
Right from the beginning we see, Paul says,
KJV 1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him (1Co 8:6 KJV)
4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. (Eph 4:4-6 KJV)
Jesus said in His prayer to the Father,
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. (Joh 17:3 KJV)
The Apostles Creed begins,
1. I believe in God the Father, Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth:
2. And in Jesus Christ, his only begotten Son, our Lord:
The Nicene Creed of 325 begins,
I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.
The Revision of the Nicene Creed, Council of Constantinople 381.
We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds (æons), Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father;
Notice that from the very beginning all the way up to 381 we have one God the Father. It wasn't until around hte mid 400's that this idea of three coequal co-eternal beings come into the picture with the Anthanasian Creed.
4. Neither confounding the persons nor dividing the substance.
5. For there is one person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Spirit.
6. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit is all one, the glory equal, the majesty coeternal.
7. Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Spirit.
8. The Father uncreated, the Son uncreated, and the Holy Spirit uncreated.
9. The Father incomprehensible, the Son incomprehensible, and the Holy Spirit incomprehensible.
10. The Father eternal, the Son eternal, and the Holy Spirit eternal.
11. And yet they are not three eternals but one eternal.
12. As also there are not three uncreated nor three incomprehensible, but one uncreated and one incomprehensible.
13. So likewise the Father is almighty, the Son almighty, and the Holy Spirit almighty.
14. And yet they are not three almighties, but one almighty.
15. So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God;
16. And yet they are not three Gods, but one God.
17. So likewise the Father is Lord, the Son Lord, and the Holy Spirit Lord;
18. And yet they are not three Lords but one Lord.
19. For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity to acknowledge every Person by himself to be God and Lord;
24. So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Spirit, not three Holy Spirits.
25. And in this Trinity none is afore or after another; none is greater or less than another.
26. But the whole three persons are coeternal, and coequal.
33. Equal to the Father as touching His Godhead, and inferior to the Father as touching His manhood.
It was during this time that this error entered into the faith. As you can see for the first roughly 400 years Christians believed in 'One God, the Father' and 'One Lord Jesus Christ'. I believe Augustine was one of those who pushed this three coequal co-eternal beings idea among others. However, Augustine was very influential in the Church and this likely why this teaching was adopted. Whatever the reason, the fact is that this is error and is still a major source of confusion today. If you Google the Anthansian Creed and read the entire thing you'll find that they also claimed that Christians must believe this in order to be saved. I find this statement interesting though.
1. Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith;
2. Which faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly.
3. And the catholic faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity;
44. This is the catholic faith, which except a man believe faithfully he cannot be saved.
Originally, the word catholic meant universal. However, it came to be what the Church was called, the catholic church became the Roman Catholic Church. I'm not certain at what time this change actually took place but, Augustine is claimed by the Catholic Church as one of their church fathers. As much a Protestants hate to admit it, their movement did come out of the Catholic Church and Catholicism. The Reformers did get rid of some of the Erroneous beliefs of the Catholic church, but, they didn't get rid of them all, and this is one they kept.
If you are interested I can give you some links to some very good teaching on the Trinity. Just let me know.
Right from the beginning we see, Paul says,
KJV 1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him (1Co 8:6 KJV)
4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. (Eph 4:4-6 KJV)
Jesus said in His prayer to the Father,
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. (Joh 17:3 KJV)
The Apostles Creed begins,
1. I believe in God the Father, Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth:
2. And in Jesus Christ, his only begotten Son, our Lord:
The Nicene Creed of 325 begins,
I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.
The Revision of the Nicene Creed, Council of Constantinople 381.
We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds (æons), Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father;
Notice that from the very beginning all the way up to 381 we have one God the Father. It wasn't until around hte mid 400's that this idea of three coequal co-eternal beings come into the picture with the Anthanasian Creed.
4. Neither confounding the persons nor dividing the substance.
5. For there is one person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Spirit.
6. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit is all one, the glory equal, the majesty coeternal.
7. Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Spirit.
8. The Father uncreated, the Son uncreated, and the Holy Spirit uncreated.
9. The Father incomprehensible, the Son incomprehensible, and the Holy Spirit incomprehensible.
10. The Father eternal, the Son eternal, and the Holy Spirit eternal.
11. And yet they are not three eternals but one eternal.
12. As also there are not three uncreated nor three incomprehensible, but one uncreated and one incomprehensible.
13. So likewise the Father is almighty, the Son almighty, and the Holy Spirit almighty.
14. And yet they are not three almighties, but one almighty.
15. So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God;
16. And yet they are not three Gods, but one God.
17. So likewise the Father is Lord, the Son Lord, and the Holy Spirit Lord;
18. And yet they are not three Lords but one Lord.
19. For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity to acknowledge every Person by himself to be God and Lord;
24. So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Spirit, not three Holy Spirits.
25. And in this Trinity none is afore or after another; none is greater or less than another.
26. But the whole three persons are coeternal, and coequal.
33. Equal to the Father as touching His Godhead, and inferior to the Father as touching His manhood.
It was during this time that this error entered into the faith. As you can see for the first roughly 400 years Christians believed in 'One God, the Father' and 'One Lord Jesus Christ'. I believe Augustine was one of those who pushed this three coequal co-eternal beings idea among others. However, Augustine was very influential in the Church and this likely why this teaching was adopted. Whatever the reason, the fact is that this is error and is still a major source of confusion today. If you Google the Anthansian Creed and read the entire thing you'll find that they also claimed that Christians must believe this in order to be saved. I find this statement interesting though.
1. Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith;
2. Which faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly.
3. And the catholic faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity;
44. This is the catholic faith, which except a man believe faithfully he cannot be saved.
Originally, the word catholic meant universal. However, it came to be what the Church was called, the catholic church became the Roman Catholic Church. I'm not certain at what time this change actually took place but, Augustine is claimed by the Catholic Church as one of their church fathers. As much a Protestants hate to admit it, their movement did come out of the Catholic Church and Catholicism. The Reformers did get rid of some of the Erroneous beliefs of the Catholic church, but, they didn't get rid of them all, and this is one they kept.
If you are interested I can give you some links to some very good teaching on the Trinity. Just let me know.
Logic does. The idea you are present is confusion, yet God is not a God of confusion. Look, the Scriptures don't speak out and say, I mean this, or, no, you're understanding that incorrectly. Every person who reads the Scriptures must interpret the Scriptures. Everyone who interprets the Scriptures comes to the Scriptures presuppositions. They already have certain beliefs before they ever approach the Scriptures. Those beliefs influence the way they understand the Scriptures. So, one comes to the Scriptures already believing that there is one being that consists of three beings, they impose that on the text.
The reason I keep asking you for Scripture that shows one being consists of three persons is that I hole you'll realize that Scripture doesn't say that and that it's a presupposition. Once we realize our presuppositions we're in a better position examine them.
So, I've asked for Scripture showing that there is one being that consists of three persons and there is none. On the other hand I've presented Scripture that needs no interpretation, it is a plain statement. Paul said, 'to us there is one God, the Father.' Jesus said when praying to the Father, ;that they may know you, the only true God.' Again, a plain statement.
You said,
But it doesn't. You may believe it does because of the way you are interpreting certain passages of Scripture. Your statement, "it reveals it" is based on the assumption that your understanding of those passages is correct. Yet, your understanding of those passages brings you to a conclusion that is illogical. God created all things and logic is one of those things. He gave man a mind to reason with so that man could communicate with Him. He tells the Israelites,
16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;
17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow. {relieve: or, righten}
18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. (Isa 1:16-18 KJV)
Learning and reasoning require logic. God wanted the Israelites to reason with Him. Accepting logical contradictions is not proper logic and reasoning. If I told you that I consisted of three persons you'd probably argue that I wasn't that it is impossible, why? Because you know that a person cannot be three different People, it's a contradiction.
It is from the mind of man. It doesn't appear in Christianity until around 450 BC. long after Jesus and the Apostles established the faith. If you read post 151 I explained when this idea entered into the Christian faith.
Again, it goes back to how one interprets that Scriptures and what presuppositions they bring to the text.
The reason I keep asking you for Scripture that shows one being consists of three persons is that I hole you'll realize that Scripture doesn't say that and that it's a presupposition. Once we realize our presuppositions we're in a better position examine them.
So, I've asked for Scripture showing that there is one being that consists of three persons and there is none. On the other hand I've presented Scripture that needs no interpretation, it is a plain statement. Paul said, 'to us there is one God, the Father.' Jesus said when praying to the Father, ;that they may know you, the only true God.' Again, a plain statement.
You said,
But it doesn't. You may believe it does because of the way you are interpreting certain passages of Scripture. Your statement, "it reveals it" is based on the assumption that your understanding of those passages is correct. Yet, your understanding of those passages brings you to a conclusion that is illogical. God created all things and logic is one of those things. He gave man a mind to reason with so that man could communicate with Him. He tells the Israelites,
16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;
17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow. {relieve: or, righten}
18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. (Isa 1:16-18 KJV)
Learning and reasoning require logic. God wanted the Israelites to reason with Him. Accepting logical contradictions is not proper logic and reasoning. If I told you that I consisted of three persons you'd probably argue that I wasn't that it is impossible, why? Because you know that a person cannot be three different People, it's a contradiction.
It is from the mind of man. It doesn't appear in Christianity until around 450 BC. long after Jesus and the Apostles established the faith. If you read post 151 I explained when this idea entered into the Christian faith.
Again, it goes back to how one interprets that Scriptures and what presuppositions they bring to the text.
For those who hold to "one being consisting of three persons," I'd like to present a major problem that this idea presents, actually, it's two fold. One is that I diminishes the glory of the Father. Jesus said that the Father was the only true God and He gave all honor and glory to the Father. However, this idea is not actually a trinity since it consists of 4 beings. It consists of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit and the being made of the three called God. Not only that but, if the Father is a part of this being then it means the being is greater than the Father (that's a scary doctrine). So, not only is it not a trinity it puts someone in a position above the Father, a concept that is found "NOWHERE" in Scripture.
FYI.................only.............
1st Thessalonians 5:23 .) And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Paul reveals the triune nature of man in Scripture................and this does not lessen that we are a man.........who, BTW was created in the Image of God...........
The Holy Trinity in no way lessens God's Glory, if anything, it magnifies it beyond the understanding of man.......
God bless
1st Thessalonians 5:23 .) And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Paul reveals the triune nature of man in Scripture................and this does not lessen that we are a man.........who, BTW was created in the Image of God...........
The Holy Trinity in no way lessens God's Glory, if anything, it magnifies it beyond the understanding of man.......
God bless
We have to be careful though. That passage doesn't tell us what it means to be made in the image of God. That statement is used both ways. I've seen some use it to argue that man is body, soul, and spirit, and I've people are that the passage is proof that the God is a Trinity.
The passage in Gen 1 doesn't prove that God is a Trinity. God says let us make man in ""our" image. It's then assumed that God is, Fahter, Son, and Holy Spirit, therefore man must be triune. There are two issues here, one is that the passage doesn't tel us what being made in God's image means. Two, there is in the Hebrew language what is know as the "majestic Plural". The Majestic Plural is the use of a Plural pronoun for a single person. This is done to emphasize the majesty of the one to whom it is applied. If you Google "Majestic Plural" you can see what I mean. That this is a Majestic Plural in Gen 1 can be seen in the following.
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. (Gen 1:1 KJV)
In verse 27 we see Moses used the singular personal pronouns, His and He.
The passage in Gen 1 doesn't prove that God is a Trinity. God says let us make man in ""our" image. It's then assumed that God is, Fahter, Son, and Holy Spirit, therefore man must be triune. There are two issues here, one is that the passage doesn't tel us what being made in God's image means. Two, there is in the Hebrew language what is know as the "majestic Plural". The Majestic Plural is the use of a Plural pronoun for a single person. This is done to emphasize the majesty of the one to whom it is applied. If you Google "Majestic Plural" you can see what I mean. That this is a Majestic Plural in Gen 1 can be seen in the following.
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. (Gen 1:1 KJV)
In verse 27 we see Moses used the singular personal pronouns, His and He.
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1st Thessalonians 5:23 .) And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Paul reveals the triune nature of man in Scripture................and this does not lessen that we are a man.........who, BTW was created in the Image of God...........
The Holy Trinity in no way lessens God's Glory, if anything, it magnifies it beyond the understanding of man.......
God bless
1st Thessalonians 5:23 .) And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Paul reveals the triune nature of man in Scripture................and this does not lessen that we are a man.........who, BTW was created in the Image of God...........
The Holy Trinity in no way lessens God's Glory, if anything, it magnifies it beyond the understanding of man.......
God bless
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. (Gen 2:7 KJV)
I submit that a body from the ground and the breath/spirit of Life together form a living soul.