Logic does. The idea you are present is confusion, yet God is not a God of confusion. Look, the Scriptures don't speak out and say, I mean this, or, no, you're understanding that incorrectly. Every person who reads the Scriptures must interpret the Scriptures. Everyone who interprets the Scriptures comes to the Scriptures presuppositions. They already have certain beliefs before they ever approach the Scriptures. Those beliefs influence the way they understand the Scriptures. So, one comes to the Scriptures already believing that there is one being that consists of three beings, they impose that on the text.
The reason I keep asking you for Scripture that shows one being consists of three persons is that I hole you'll realize that
Scripture doesn't say that and that it's a presupposition. Once we realize our presuppositions we're in a better position examine them.
The reason I keep asking you for Scripture that shows one being consists of three persons is that I hole you'll realize that
Scripture doesn't say that and that it's a presupposition. Once we realize our presuppositions we're in a better position examine them.
You're over rationalizing this.
So, I've asked for
Scripture showing that there is one being that consists of three persons and there is none. On the other hand I've presented Scripture that needs no interpretation, it is a plain statement. Paul said, 'to us there is one God, the Father.' Jesus said when praying to the Father, ;that they may know you, the only true God.' Again, a plain statement.
Scripture showing that there is one being that consists of three persons and there is none. On the other hand I've presented Scripture that needs no interpretation, it is a plain statement. Paul said, 'to us there is one God, the Father.' Jesus said when praying to the Father, ;that they may know you, the only true God.' Again, a plain statement.
"Agreed. . .and Scripture also does not say "God is sovereign,"
nor does it say the nature of sonship to God is "relationship,"
but it reveals it nonetheless.
nor does it say the nature of sonship to God is "relationship,"
but it reveals it nonetheless.
Your statement, "it reveals it" is based on the assumption that your understanding of those passages is correct.
so I take the sovereignty of God from the same, as in:
"All the people of the earth are regarded as nothing.
He does as he pleases with the powers of heaven and the peoples of the earth.
No one can hold back his hand or say to him, 'What have you done?' " (Da 4:35)
God had caused the official to show favor and sympathy to Daniel. (Da 1:9)
"The king's heart is in the hands of the LORD,
he directs it like a watercourse, wherever he pleases. . . (Pr 21:1)
". . .having been predestined according to the plan of
him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will." (Eph 1:4-12)
". . .all who were appointed for eternal life believed." (Ac 13:38)
"Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad
--in order that God's purpose in election might stand: (i.e.) not by works but by him who calls--
she was told, 'The older will serve the younger.' " (Ro 9:14-29)
"For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose. . ." (Rev 17:17)
"This man was handed over to you by God's set purpose and foreknowledge;" (Ac 2:23)
"They did what your power and will had decided beforehand should happen." (Ac 4:28)
"The Son of Man will go as it has been decreed, but woe to that man who betrays him." (Lk 22:22)
"For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son. . .
and those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he
justified, he also glorified." (Ro 8:29-30)
"Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of Gentiles has come in." (Ro 11:25-34)
"From the beginning God chose you to be saved. . ." (2Th 2:13)
"God's elect. . .who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father (1Pe 1:2)
"God, who put it into the heart of Titus. . ." (2Co 8:16)
"I have kept you from sinning against me. . ." (Ge 20:6)
"I will make the Egyptians favorably disposed toward his people. . ." (Ex 4:21)
"This very day I will begin to put the terror and fear of you on all the nations under heaven." (Dt 2:25, 30)
"For it was the LORD himself who hardened their hearts to wage war against Israel." (Jos 11:20)
"God changed Saul's heart. . ." (1Sa 10:9)
"the LORD moved the heart of Cyrus king of Persia to make a proclamation throughout his realm. . .
--everyone whose heart God had moved--prepasred to go up. . .
the God of our fathers, who has put it into the king's heart to bring honor. . .(Ezra 1:1, 5, 7:27)
"I had not told anyone what God had put in my heart. . .
My God put it into my heart. . ." (Ne 2:12, 7:5)
". . .whose hearts he turned to hate his people," (Ps 105:25)
"He caused them to be pitied by all who held them captive." (Ps 106:46)
"In his heart a man plans his course, but the LORD determines his steps." (Pr 16:9)
"Many are the plans of a man's heart, but it is the LORD's purpose that prevails." (Pr 19:21)
"A man's steps are directed by the LORD." (Pr 20:24)
You argue with the plain meaning of Scripture because it does not agree with your theology.
I will not be arguing the abundantly plain meaning of God's sovereignty in these Scriptures.
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