A woman as a Pastor? Does it make it right if there is a need for pastors?

[jkalyna]

I agree that in the bible there have been some women lead of the Lord to do*extraordinary*things, Queen Ester for example. That was in the Old Testament. I'm not on for or against speaking the word, but Christ had 12 men called*apostles, and said I send you go out and preach unto the whole world. I would stick to the New Testament, there are strict guidelines for women, and a lot of them. Be keepers of house, be not busy bodies, parent hood, love your husband. I didn't read anywhere where a women was told to preach, it says be silent in the churches? *If we stick to the word we will all know our place. *

 

[JOHN1513]

[SUP]Gal. 3:25 [/SUP]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
[SUP]28[/SUP]There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


[SUP]Gal. 5:16 [/SUP]This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.


[SUP]Acts 18:24 [/SUP]And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.


[SUP]Acts 22:8 [/SUP]And the next day we that were of Paul's company departed, and came unto Caesarea: and we entered into the house of Philip the evangelist, which was one of the seven; and abode with him.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.


[SUP]Acts 2:17 [/SUP]And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
[SUP]18[/SUP]And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

Your friend
Jeremiah Howell

 

[elf3]

Actually the donkey spoke for itself. God spoke through an angel.
(Num 22:21-35)

You know, this is exactly why the thread has turned into a gender
bashing melee: too many people are shooting from the lip instead
of paying attention to what the Bible says.

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Numbers 22:28 "Then the Lord opened the donkeys mouth and she said "what have I done to you to make you beat me these three times?"
So is this the donkey speaking her own words or is this God using the donkey to speak to Balaam?

God spoke through both.

 

[tribesman]

Gospel Answers - Women Preachers: Forbidden in the Bible?


This piece may find you agreeing with Angela. A 5 minute read. We can't be afraid to seek answers to our questions ... even at the risk of perhaps having been wrong.

And of course there is the issue of the Scriptural fact that women in the past, and even in Paul’s day, did indeed teach and have authority over or with men (e.g., the prophetess Deborah in Judges 4, Aquila and Pricilla in Acts 18:26). Paul certainly knew of Deborah and others, so it seems strange that Paul should contradict prior revelation. The main point here is that there might be a level of eisegesis (reading into the text) going on when interpreters come to conclusions that are not clearly stated in the text.

Deborah, Huldah, Priscilla...none of these were ordained. Paul would not contradict either prior revelation or himself (1Tim.2:9-12). And, remember, the custom applied to the apostles and all churches of God. Not only some churches - all.

 

[fredjames]

You're an egotistical proponent of child abuse. From under what rock did you crawl?

Read the following and weep!

Jesus Blesses Little Children

Then they brought little children to Him, that He might touch them; but the disciples rebuked those who brought them. But when Jesus saw it, He was greatly displeased and said to them, “Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of God. Assuredly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God as a little child will by no means enter it.” And He took them up in His arms, laid His hands on them, and blessed them.

And here's something else you can chew on.

Life and Judgment Are Through the Son

Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

I bet that just ticks you off!

As it is written about so called in worldly terms as 'slumber spoil brats' practicing Christianity, ignorantly in Biblical terms, 'conformed to the pattern of this world', partial Holy Bible knowledge believers, who remain as 'babes in CHRIST';

"Your worst enemy will be in your own household."

And to you alike, 'self/carnal/flesh' claims, 'as children' who still remain in 'stubbornness' and 'hardheadedness', who only stick to 'milk';

"Oh, ye Galatians, who have 'bewitched' you?"

Finally;

"You cannot give what is 'Good' and 'Holy' to 'dogs', for it will only turn around and 'bite you'."

 

[Mitspa]

Deborah, Huldah, Priscilla...none of these were ordained. Paul would not contradict either prior revelation or himself (1Tim.2:9-12). And, remember, the custom applied to the apostles and all churches of God. Not only some churches - all.

Not ordained? what in the world do you think ordained means? " Ordained" is God not of man and of course these women where ordained! Deborah held a position even above the priest. Judge of Israel.... if that's not "ordained" by God to you then you should really reconsider why you think the term means?

 

[tribesman]

Not ordained? what in the world do you think ordained means? " Ordained" is God not of man and of course these women where ordained! Deborah held a position even above the priest. Judge of Israel.... if that's not "ordained" by God to you then you should really reconsider why you think the term means?

You always get emotional when topics get heated. Maybe you need to do a closer study on what ordination actually means and how it pertains to the order that God established for same. You see, this exampleism that so many use to find "evidence" for their own position on whatever it may be often turns out to be reading something into scripture which just isn't there or draw presumptuous conclusions that is very far from what God intended with allowing certain things to happen. Contextual reading rather than selective reading will find us the answers.

 

[tribesman]

You always get emotional when topics get heated. Maybe you need to do a closer study on what ordination actually means and how it pertains to the order that God established for same. You see, this exampleism that so many use to find "evidence" for their own position on whatever it may be often turns out to be reading something into scripture which just isn't there or draw presumptuous conclusions that is very far from what God intended with allowing certain things to happen. Contextual reading rather than selective reading will find us the answers.

We must go with what is principally the normative way for the church, seen in scripture. If we just look for an "example" in scripture to find support for a certain practice, then we can find a lot of odd things that man may want to justify. The principle for holding an office is ordination. This was exclusively given to men. Esther, Deborah and Huldah were not ordained to any office. Due to circumstances and with a unique purpose God yet allowed these women to act as officers, although they were not properly such. We are always to look at what is normative in scripture and not isolated examples. The danger of doing the latter is not to be underestimated.

 

[fredjames]

Why? Are women not worthy? Are they lesser beings??

Because it is the Living God's order and there cannot be two ways about established matters.

Are you conformed by the Help of the HOLY SPIRIT in the New Covenant sound doctrine knowledge?

Where have you been all this while?

As it is written to those who are asleep that;

"Who is mother, brothers and sisters? They are those who obey GOD and do HIS will."

They are those who obey GOD's Word in obedience and disciplined and be fully trained and fully equipped to do all kind of Good deeds, men as they are 'called' and women as they are 'called', strictly according to HIS Word(CHRIST) of the New Covenant, that justifies earlier itself that sadly only 'a few' are 'chosen' and only 'a few make it'.

In the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST i warn and pronounce 'accursed' are they, those who make 'crooked', by 'twisting', 'adding' and 'removing', the 'straight path' of CHRIST,from GOD, and the HOLY SPIRIT had made, the spiritual sound doctrine knowledge only for HIS 'lambs' and 'sheep' to 'listen' and 'seek first', 'believe' and 'follow' in 'faith' and 'action', 'who only hear the Good Shepherd's voice and they follow HIM', the 'author' and 'finisher' of the 'New Covenant faith' and by the 'HOLY SPIRIT's Help', from not to turn to the left nor right, but 'straight focused' on the 'narrow road' to 'Heaven'.

 

[fredjames]

what do you mean ..what law? the law is the old testament...its all considered the law.

what Apostle Paul wants us to do with the 'Law'?

 

[fredjames]

To all you guys that think the scriptures are saying the women are only subordinate to men I demand your wives get in the kitchen & fix me a SAMMICH! They WILL do what I tell them! They have no authority to say no!

As it is written;

"Do not become like pagan kings who love to order people around."

My wife will recognize you immediately as the 'snake' in sheep clothing, falsely demanding and she being one of Eve's forerunners, will only 'strike you on the head' and then sadly as you have asked for it, you would have to get your head 'fixed' first, before even or ever thinking of 'leadership' over GOD's lambs and sheep.

 

[fredjames]

Again the HOLY SPIRIT has inspired this in the Holy Bible, and in grief HE reminds also what CHRIST speaks, about this unshameful generation to their sins and in a form of Christianity, that;

"You cannot give what is Good and Holy to dogs, for it will only turn around and bite you."

That is why also it is written about them that;

"Ever learning and never come into the knowledge of the truth."

 

[Eva1218]

It's a matter of how one views GOD all throughout the OT man has wanted another man to be over them when at first it was to be GOD alone. Yes GOD has provided what the heart of the people seek after and the results usually will cause them to see their error and bring the heart to Repent. GOD does not replace women to do a man's job keep in mind HE always has a Remnant. ex: Saul, David etc..., now women have their place within the Body of CHRIST but pastor, bishop and the likes are not it. The Bible teaches us GOD, man, women, child the order does not change. Many try to protect the woman pastor and this will only lead to destruction, the spiritual attacks these leaders must face was never intended for women no matter how much Biblical wisdom one has. Don't argue with your friend regarding this just pray GOD opens her mind and heart because it takes Godly Wisdom on whom we allow to cover us.

Blessings!!!!!!!

 

[Mitspa]

You always get emotional when topics get heated. Maybe you need to do a closer study on what ordination actually means and how it pertains to the order that God established for same. You see, this exampleism that so many use to find "evidence" for their own position on whatever it may be often turns out to be reading something into scripture which just isn't there or draw presumptuous conclusions that is very far from what God intended with allowing certain things to happen. Contextual reading rather than selective reading will find us the answers.

What? Look its clear these women where "ordained" by God....put in "order" by God.... to reject that is to reject the truth no matter what system you believe you are uses. The point stills stands in this debate that even in the law God "ordained" women to places of power...its evident.

 

[Mitspa]

what Apostle Paul wants us to do with the 'Law'?

He told us to look at the law in regards to his teaching to Timothy in regards to women.

 

[pwrnJC]

nor have you ever read in the BIBLE where a woman was called to be a starlette, a car driver, a performer, only because, several thousand years ago..females had NO rights, period..and most still do not have in the MIddle East..and guess what..most of the BIBLE occured in the MIddle East.. YOu have to take into consideration the era and places and times. When the Holy spirit moves upon someone, it is not just on the males of society. I have known many wonderful awesome holy spirit filled ladies who preach, teach, hold crusades, testify (like Phillip's daughters) and more. So what? have you limited the Holy Spirit as to whom YOU think should be used mightily by GOD?

 

[ChristInUs]

I would rather have a women preach the truth than a man preaching self righteousness.

 

[tribesman]

What? Look its clear these women where "ordained" by God....put in "order" by God.... to reject that is to reject the truth no matter what system you believe you are uses. The point stills stands in this debate that even in the law God "ordained" women to places of power...its evident.

I think you are not well read up on what biblical ordination is, both testaments. Read up on it and tell me if any woman ever was ordained in biblical times. It just isn't there. Needless to say, God used and still uses women, the scriptural examples of such, however, should not lead anyone to the erroneous conclusion that the ordination of female clergy is OK. It is ignorant and presumptuous to surpass what God has revealed on the matter. Did you ever do a study on when the ordination of women even began to take place? It didn't exist anywhere in christianity until quiet recently. Ever wondered why?

 

[ChristInUs]

I think you are not well read up on what biblical ordination is, both testaments. Read up on it and tell me if any woman ever was ordained in biblical times. It just isn't there. Needless to say, God used and still uses women, the scriptural examples of such, however, should not lead anyone to the erroneous conclusion that the ordination of female clergy is OK. It is ignorant and presumptuous to surpass what God has revealed on the matter. Did you ever do a study on when the ordination of women even began to take place? It didn't exist anywhere in christianity until quiet recently. Ever wondered why?

Deborah any questions?

 

[tribesman]

nor have you ever read in the BIBLE where a woman was called to be a starlette, a car driver, a performer, only because, several thousand years ago..females had NO rights, period..and most still do not have in the MIddle East..and guess what..most of the BIBLE occured in the MIddle East.. YOu have to take into consideration the era and places and times. When the Holy spirit moves upon someone, it is not just on the males of society. I have known many wonderful awesome holy spirit filled ladies who preach, teach, hold crusades, testify (like Phillip's daughters) and more. So what? have you limited the Holy Spirit as to whom YOU think should be used mightily by GOD?

Aha...there we go again, ethical relativism. How about the biblical teaching of atonement, isn't it a very primitive religious idea how people can get appeased to God's displeasure, where you have to take into consideration the era and places and times? Me thinks the ethical relativist crowds just like arbitrary to pick and choose of their own liking what they can dismiss as backward, "that was then, not now" and what they prefer to keep. Usually it doesn't follow any other pattern than their own cultural bias or political correctness.