The Apostles taught Infant Baptism!

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Those scriptures prove unequivocally you do not need to be baptised in water to be saved

BTW

I believe all saved Christians- (through repentance and faith in Christ) should be baptised in water



I don't know where you get that conclusion from as neither Ephesians 1:13, 4:30 say anything about baptism, and you can not pick and make them say something they don't.
As for Acts 10:44-47 it does include water baptism as Peter makes a point to say no man can forbid water in baptism because the Lord commanded it. If you forbid what the Lord commanded, you are not showing faith or love in Him.

Acts 10:47
Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

Their process of being sanctified through the Lord unto salvation was not complete tell they followed and obeyed the other commands of His. Just like Paul also upholds the confession of Him to be saved as well. As the bible lists baptism, confession, repentance, forgiveness as all needed for salvation. Without those things one does not have a true faith in the Lord.
Once again like I said read Jude, Exodus 32:33 that goes with Jude, and 1 John 2-4....
 
If you've been reading my posts on this thread, then you should already know my answer to this question, but I'll give it again:

No, they meet no different fate if they have been baptized than if they have not been baptized.

Infants who cannot discern between good and evil are considered to be innocent before the Lord and I believe that this is taught in scripture...and I just posted one such portion of scripture earlier today on this very thread.

Now, would you please tell me your views in relation to the same?

Thanks.

i believe they go to the very same place that they came from and already are in -- the hands of the Almighty, to do with as He pleases to do.

:)

& i agree with you too in as far as i could have an opinion, but not a doctrine, because it is God's alone to judge, that it is as Christ said:

If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin;
but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.

(John 9:41)

 
If infants aren't born with sin the. Explain this:

Psalm 51:5 states that we all come into the world as sinners: “Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me.”
 
We are not saying water baptism by itself saves

i think right doctrine takes both of our voices Ken, as you remind us to be obedient and i remind us to give glory to God.

just as He has made us all one body, with many parts, and many functions, but all work together for the purpose of the head, which is Christ.

i do love you, even if it looks sometimes like we are butting heads, and i am thankful for you and what God does through you :)
 
i think right doctrine takes both of our voices Ken, as you remind us to be obedient and i remind us to give glory to God.

just as He has made us all one body, with many parts, and many functions, but all work together for the purpose of the head, which is Christ.

i do love you, even if it looks sometimes like we are butting heads, and i am thankful for you and what God does through you :)


I love you my brother as well, because yes we are all different parts of the same body of Christ.
The Church is made up of different individuals, but the teaching comes out to be the same even though some emphasis some points more then others and they in turn emphasis the other points.
 
If infants aren't born with sin the. Explain this:

Psalm 51:5 states that we all come into the world as sinners: “Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me.”
Is Gods grace sufficient to save an innocent child before it can form the intent to sin? Or is God so unjust as to condemn an innocent soul with no chance for redemption?

In any case you have no excuse. You doubtless have reached an age of accountability and must either trust Christ to save you or endeavor to save yourself and deny Christ. Which will it be? Neutral you cannot be. One day you will be asking what will Christ do with me?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
regardless of where unborn babies and infants are,

the adults on this world trusting buddha or the pope or the rcc or jw or hindu

or anything at all instead of Christ Jesus are going to be raised in shame and judgment.

Daniel 12:2
Many of those sleeping in the dust of the earth will awaken, some to everlasting life and some to everlasting shame and abhorrence.


Matthew 18:8
“So if your hand or foot becomes a snare for you, cut it off and throw it away! Better that you should be maimed or crippled and obtain eternal life than keep both hands or both feet and be thrown into everlasting fire!


Galatians 6:8
Those who keep sowing in the field of their old nature, in order to meet its demands, will eventually reap ruin; but those who keep sowing in the field of the Spirit will reap from the Spirit everlasting life.
 
If infants aren't born with sin the. Explain this:

Psalm 51:5 states that we all come into the world as sinners: “Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me.”
Here are some verses to consider:

"Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it." (Deuteronomy 1:39)

Again:

"Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin." (James 4:17)

Again:

"If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin." (John 15:22)

Again:

"For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law." (Romans 5:13)


Verses such as the above certainly seem to indicate that sin is not imputed unto somebody who lacks the knowledge of the same.

Psalm 106

[37] Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils,
[38] And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood.


How could God call the blood of the children who were sacrificed unto devils by their own parents "innocent blood" if they were guilty?

Anyhow, I personally believe that we're accountable for what we know because I believe that that is what the Bible actually teaches.
 
I don't know where you get that conclusion from as neither Ephesians 1:13, 4:30 say anything about baptism, and you can not pick and make them say something they don't.
As for Acts 10:44-47 it does include water baptism as Peter makes a point to say no man can forbid water in baptism because the Lord commanded it. If you forbid what the Lord commanded, you are not showing faith or love in Him.

Acts 10:47
Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

Their process of being sanctified through the Lord unto salvation was not complete tell they followed and obeyed the other commands of His. Just like Paul also upholds the confession of Him to be saved as well. As the bible lists baptism, confession, repentance, forgiveness as all needed for salvation. Without those things one does not have a true faith in the Lord.
Once again like I said read Jude, Exodus 32:33 that goes with Jude, and 1 John 2-4....

If you truly do not know how I drew that conclusion further discussion would be pointless as it is so simple to understand. I will accept what you say though, as you often stress Christ's commands must be followed
 
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the rcc absolutely forbids the truth in it's hierarchy most of its members.
it's members depend so much on it's support(although entirely deceptive and fatal),
they cannot grasp nor understand even the simplest of scripture truth, nor see heaven (as jesus says
only the pure in heart will see heaven; and rcc teachings are completely demonic).

so, when there's scripture, and opposite that the rcc teachings/doctrines;
pick scripture and you're on jesus side. pick rcc and you're on hasatan's side.

it doesn't even matter what the arguments are, nor if it's in a language you can understand --

it's just exactly as if jesus was standing in front of you, on one side, and hasatan on the other side(tcc);

just because jesus is the good shepherd, go to jesus, even without a word
and without any mental gymnastics like the other side requires to deceive everyone.

listen to the one and only good shepherd,
all his sheep know his voice,
and yahweh's sheep will not follow the voice of man's flesh or the voice of demons.

we serve God by His Spirit, and put no confidence in the flesh. none. (Philippians 3).

everyone who puts confidence in the flesh, Yahweh curses. everyone.
 
If infants aren't born with sin the. Explain this:

Psalm 51:5 states that we all come into the world as sinners: “Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me.”


It does not say David was born a sinner. If anything it speaks to the sin of David's mother.


1) in a drunken rage a husband beat his wife
2) in sin my mother conceived me

Two similar statements. In statement #1 the husband is the one who was in a drunken rage, likewise in statement #2 the mother was the one who is in sin.

Some commentaries say that David in v5 is speaking from the viewpoint of David's baby that Bathsheba gave birth to.

John said sin is transgression of the law. If David was conceived a sinner, what law did he transgress making him a sinner? Lying? Stealing? Murder? Adultery? Sin is transgression, not just an idea that is passed from one person to another.
 
Always reminded me of this

no-im-an-atheist.jpg


Where is the "believe and is baptized"?

Even when the eunuch wanted to be baptized with water Philip said in Acts 8:37 ...If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest.

Now THAT was funny! I'm gonna have to remember that one.
 
The first quote clearly states that they received the doctrine of Infant Baptism through the Apostles.

Thousands of commentaries on Romans have been written by pastors, laymen, theologians, and heretics.

You did not cite a source. For all anyone knows the commentaries referred to are your own.

If you want to be taken seriously:

cite author, work, book (if applicable), chapter, and section.
 
keep reading. it is not written that the one who is not baptized is condemned, because the one who believes is baptized by Christ​.

only One saves - Jesus Christ.

what is so difficult about THAT ??

Mark 16:16 (KJV)
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

I read it, without belief, there is no need to be baptized (and why infants should not be baptized) and like a infant that gets baptized without belief, they just get wet...

belief alone will not save you, no matter how hard you try you cannot get rid of that conjunctive "and" in the verse... (difficulty level zero)

"Nothing alone" will save you.
 
Mark 16:16 (KJV)
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

I read it, without belief, there is no need to be baptized (and why infants should not be baptized) and like a infant that gets baptized without belief, they just get wet...

belief alone will not save you, no matter how hard you try you cannot get rid of that conjunctive "and" in the verse... (difficulty level zero)

"Nothing alone" will save you.

Then I guess that Jesus must have lied in John 3:16 and 17.

If the scriptures don't mesh, it is man's interpretation that is wrong.
 
Then I guess that Jesus must have lied in John 3:16 and 17.

If the scriptures don't mesh, it is man's interpretation that is wrong.

Jesus didn't lie, believing on Him means to do all He commands, what makes you think you can refuse to do what he commands and still "believe on Him"?
 
Then I guess that Jesus must have lied in John 3:16 and 17.

If the scriptures don't mesh, it is man's interpretation that is wrong.

Where do you get the idea that because He came to save the world, that the world did not have to do what He says?
 
I don't know where you get that conclusion from as neither Ephesians 1:13, 4:30 say anything about baptism, and you can not pick and make them say something they don't.
As for Acts 10:44-47 it does include water baptism as Peter makes a point to say no man can forbid water in baptism because the Lord commanded it. If you forbid what the Lord commanded, you are not showing faith or love in Him.

Acts 10:47
Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

Their process of being sanctified through the Lord unto salvation was not complete tell they followed and obeyed the other commands of His. Just like Paul also upholds the confession of Him to be saved as well. As the bible lists baptism, confession, repentance, forgiveness as all needed for salvation. Without those things one does not have a true faith in the Lord.
Once again like I said read Jude, Exodus 32:33 that goes with Jude, and 1 John 2-4....

That forbidding/hindering concerning the same (baptism) seems to be mentioned in a few places

John to Jesus

Mat 3:14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?

Peter in respects to the Gentiles

Acts 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

And the eunuchs expressed desire with Philip

Acts 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

If the last one is even there.


 
I CHOOSE THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST, OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR!

Matthew 3:5-17 “Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judea, and all the region round about Jordan, And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins. But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, “O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance; but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear; he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire;” Whose fan is in his hand, and he will thoroughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire. Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. But John forbade him, saying I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now; for thus it becometh us to fulfill all righteousness. Then he suffered him. And Jesus when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water; and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him; And lo, a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

37) And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. 38) And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not. 39) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life and they are they which testify of me. 40) And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.


John 11:25)Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life; he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live; 26)And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die, Believeth thou this?

Acts 15:8)And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 9)And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

11)But we believe that through the grace of the lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.


Romans 3:20)Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 21)But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22)Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference.

2. Hebrews 9:22 “Without the shedding of blood, there is
no remission of sins.”

3. 1 John 1:7″… the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth
us from all sin.”

4. Revelation 1:5 “… Unto him that loved us, and washed us
from our sins in his own blood.”

. Hebrews 9:14 “How much more shall the blood of Christ, who
through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God,
purge your conscience …

8. Hebrews 10:19, 22 “Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter
into the holiest by the blood of Jesus … Let us draw near with a true
heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an
evil conscience …”

9. Hebrews 13:12 “Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify
the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.”

10. Romans 3:24-25 “Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;”

11. Romans 5:9 “Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.”


 
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